Armed while in the shower?


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6Gunslinger
May 4, 2007, 02:42 AM
Obviously you're not going to keep your revolver in the shower :what: , but what about having it at arms reach while in the bathroom? :confused: I live alone and feel a little apprehensive sometimes when I don't have a gun close by. I'm just wondering if its smart to have it in the b/r while the shower is going (humidity, condensation, etc....) I live in the desert so its pretty dry out here I just don't want to have to swab out my revolver after everytime I have it in the b/r with me.... but I guess if thats what I have to do I'll have to deal with it. Just wondering what you guys think. Thanks

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ArchAngelCD
May 4, 2007, 02:45 AM
I just don't want to have to swab out my revolver after everytime I have it in the b/r with me....
A Blue revolver might not like the shower but I doubt a Stainless revolver would mind much...

rkh
May 4, 2007, 02:51 AM
I think you've been watching too many B-grade horror flicks. :rolleyes:

Regularly clean and oil your guns and no amount of humidity will cause them to corrode.

sm
May 4, 2007, 03:04 AM
For umpteen years traveling sales persons, totally aware of security, have taken prudent steps to be secure.
This includes having a gun in the bathroom.
Most guns back in the day were in fact blue, be they Revolvers, or Semis.

For umpteen years folks have used pass keys, posed as "room service" , pretended to be drunk, at the wrong room, used all sorts of ploys to get to a Rep.

It is a firearm. Inspect and maintain as need.

Paranoid? Nope.
Taking prudent steps? Yep.

Sales Rep with a live line of $300,000 of Jlry, and "room service" was not.
Lady Drug Rep, caught the attention of a young stud down at the bar when she checked in. His girlfriend worked at the motel.
Even a regular married guy, overweight, attending a required meeting will get suckered when "is that your car I accidentally backed into?"

*shrug* Inspect, Maintain firearms and self.

s

Stainz
May 4, 2007, 06:23 AM
I think seeing me naked in the shower would be enough protection... perhaps even 'cruel and unusual' punishment to some.

Yeah, I had a neighbor who had a holstered small semi taped behind the WCs in his bathrooms - that, to me, was too much.

Stainz

The Amigo
May 4, 2007, 06:38 AM
Stainless Steel does rust too, its called crevice corrosion. Moisture is bad for any metal.

chipp
May 4, 2007, 07:44 AM
Put a folded up towel over it. I only worry about the ammo.

Joe Demko
May 4, 2007, 08:39 AM
Until I had a child to consider, I kept a bathroom gun. Kept it in a little box in the medicine cabinet with a couple silica gel packets. Never had a problem with rust.

sean m
May 4, 2007, 10:28 AM
John Taffin used to keep a stainless charter 44 in his bathroom IRRC.

DawgFvr
May 4, 2007, 11:13 AM
Where exactly do you live...the Middle East? :what: What you need is a "converted" back-scrubber chambered in 9mm or the ol' .38 special fake cake of soap which is sold throughout Europe...France being the only exception. Bullet proof sliding glass shower stalls have been in vogue for years. You know, there are people that weld spoons on their revolvers so that they can eat with them at the table...and hey, I wear those glasses that have mirrors inside wherein you can see behind you...they come in handy when I am haning up picture frames on the walls.:neener: Ok...ok...if I was in a Hotel...and if I was a Salesman that had six digit materai value with me..., well, I'd probably use the appropriate security measures. Still...I think this is a very funny thread...

Jackal
May 4, 2007, 11:27 AM
Well, I have a parked Mossberg 500 sitting outside the shower door. I feel safe.

sm
May 4, 2007, 11:50 AM
I personally do not find the thread funny.
Perhaps it is me, and how I was raised, and the work I am familiar with.

I do not do fantasy threads, I do not concern myself with zombies.

1. Attractive lady, dressed in a business suit, was having her car washed.
Employee took note of her being a business type and just made duplicates of her keys, since they were in the ignition, using the key making machine in the office/waiting area.

She comes home from work, undresses and about to take a shower when she was confronted.
Her address, like most folks, is in the glove box on License and Registration, and Proof of Insurance.

2. Apartment, Condo complexes often give out Master Keys to Maintenance persons. Just a whole lot easier than having to meet the Exterminator, or Plumber,or HVAC, or - whomever.

These folks are "supposed" to leave a note they have been in your Apt/ Condo, perhaps they do, perhaps not.

a. Attractive young lady, works 11p-7a or 7p -7a sleeps during the day.
Door unlocked by someone that took note of how attractive she was.
She screamed, in the shower, and I was her neighbor that heard the screams.
Duplicate key had been ,made and given to another.
Explained some "mysterious" disappearances in some apts/condo as well.

b. Restraining order filed against an abusive boyfriend. Locks had been changed.
He had messed with one window, unknowing to the lady.
Just wait until her normal time to take a shower, not difficult seeing the light come on, slipped into window on a side of house , hidden by shrubs.

c. Vacation, wife, kids, and the brain is on having fun times.
Not uncommon for dad to take kids down the way, and let mom have a some time to tidy up room, get the kids stuff all sorted out again, even get a shower without kids driving her nuts, being excited.
Room next door is vacant, easy to tell lady has the shower running, call that boyfriend and see what credit cards and all that room has.

d. Grandma lives alone. Carpet cleaners noticed Gun cabinet, with guns of late husband, Silver chest, China, Jewelry box ...
The cane and a walker when "days are not so good".
Handicapped set up in bathroom noticed too...
Styrofoam used to elevate furniture, fits into a back door inset, to prevent locking up - "I never use the back door, the steps are too difficult for me".
Easy to come in a Grandma, wait in garage, wait until she take a bath, it takes a bit, with "risks for falls" and one can simply load stuff up in the garage, in a van with "plumbing" on the side.

No Zombies were present in these real life events.

DawgFvr
May 4, 2007, 11:50 AM
Jackal: But of course...I understand. You, after all, live in King County...home of those ol' saber toothed DemoRats and the homeless ilk they spawn surrounding Seattle and suburbia; I, on the other hand, live in God's country: Thurston County! :neener: No...really...do you really prop a shotty outside your shower glass door? You, like me, are probably a UW Dawg fan, but hey, if I lived with that fear mentality, I'd consider moving to Eastern Washington and live with the Cougs...they are predictable. :p

Carl N. Brown
May 4, 2007, 12:00 PM
For a shower room gun, I always though one of those stainless steel
Snake Charmer .410 shotguns (comes with a plastic stock and
designed to be carried/kept around water/boats as snake protection)
would be perfect. I always thought plastic cased shotgun ammo
was pretty much waterproof anyway.

One could joke about getting paranoid after watching a re-run of
Psycho on Halloween, but a bathroom is pretty much a cul-de-sac
and a very vulnerable position in case of a home invasion.

Headless
May 4, 2007, 12:13 PM
Re: cul-de-sac - I like my bathroom because it's got two doors on completely opposite sides of the room - can always back up away from an attacker, unless there are two and one has already broken into my bedroom and another is coming in from the main house area.

I've considered keeping a gun in the bathroom...but instead i just put my carry gun (which is always on me when i am at home) within close reach, outside of the shower, under a towel to keep any beading up of water on it while i'm showering...it gets re-holstered as soon as i'm dressed anyway, so it's always near.

I've taken plenty of my guns out to the range and fired them in pouring rain - i've seen remington 597 .22lr rifle, S&W 659 all stainless 9mm, browning buckmark std .22lr, s&w 642, beretta 96, and some other guns all handling pouring rain just fine and one of them rusted after their exposure. I let my s&w 659 sit in the pouring rain for ~10 minutes, with a full mag also sitting next to it..then grabbed both, shook them to get the pooled water off, loaded the mag and proceeded to blast off all 14 rounds. None of my guns, or the others i've seen get soaked in fact, had ANY problems functioning perfectly, and none developed any rust afterwards.

Just keep them oiled up and don't let them sit in puddles of water ;).

DawgFvr
May 4, 2007, 12:31 PM
sm: Ah, from your posted scenarios, I see that only women...(ugly ones need not apply) and grandmas need to live in continual fear. Hmm, I think this falls into an "early-years" Mother complex" or female relationship problem that might want some attention here. :uhoh: Should't all Bathrooms be SAFE rooms? Looks like "Home Improvement" time guys!

TT
May 4, 2007, 12:39 PM
Put the gun in a Tupperware container on the floor of the shower. If an uninvited guest shows up, bend down, pop the top and grab the gun.

hnk45acp
May 4, 2007, 12:46 PM
gun on a rope?

M2 Carbine
May 4, 2007, 03:45 PM
Since I think it's reasonable insurance to keep guns in all rooms of the house and since I don't believe there's a rule in the Bad Guy's manual that says a homeowner must not be attacked in the bathroom, I think it's wise to keep a gun in the bathroom also, but I don't bother having it in the shower.

I have a choice of several stainless steel handguns, so I use one of those.

19-3Ben
May 4, 2007, 04:13 PM
I'd think that keeping it in a ziplock bag might be useful. Still easy to get to (hell, you can tear the bag off in a fraction of a second if needed), and would protect from moisture.
Personally, i do not keep a gun in the bathroom while showering. Although, i do carry when I am home, and if I go in there for...you know...other reasons, I have it on me. I don't see a PERSONAL need for keeping one while in the shower. But, I would never be critical of someone who personally DID feel the need or desire to do so.

trueblue1776
May 4, 2007, 04:19 PM
put a rave hairspray label on your big OC can.:D

GEM
May 4, 2007, 04:28 PM
Lock the bathroom door?

Shower with a big dog?

Dead bolt locks on house doors that aren't opened by the key?

Alarms that sound when the door is opened?

If someone does a psycho and throws back the shower curtain - it's hand to hand with the soap on a rope.

Rey B
May 4, 2007, 06:34 PM
Actually I could probably administer a pretty good beating with soap on a rope. Kinda like a bar of soap in a sock.:what: As for packing in the bathroom I would think a stainless or polymer framed gun would do fine. As for the showering with a big dog idea, then you have to put up with the smell of wet dog the rest of the day.

351 WINCHESTER
May 4, 2007, 06:37 PM
I have 3 dogs that will let me know if something is going on. When I'm showering I have a handgun, while not at arm's length, but close by. I also keep a pump 12ga. handy too. In these days with all the home invasions and all the junkies, I think one should always be ready "for that day".

I think if someone saw me naked it would probably scare them to death too.

Stainz
May 4, 2007, 07:07 PM
My kids are grown and gone - only occasional, and announced, visits from the grandmonsters. Still, I keep the 'protection'. My wife and I often shower at the same time (Hey, I may be getting old - but I aint dead!). As to protection - watch the scary movies - no one uses a chain or keyless dead lock. Common sense. Have a cell phone with you... even in the 'can' - never know when an 'award winner' will appear, so a cell phone camera may be useful, too.

I am dreadfully sorry - I've lost track of the current defensive thoughts re zombies... do I need a rifle - maybe a .223 - or is a .38-.45 revolver good enough for them? Headshots still required?

Seriously, have a well thought out 'plan' - a 'safe' room everyone knows to retreat to - with a cellphone, strong flashlight, canned air horn (Marine supply store.), and defensive firearm with reloads. Have a retreat position - behind something substantial (mother-in-law?) - but make sure EVERYONE knows to come there - naked & wet or not! Call the law... then announce clearly to Mr. BG that you are armed and the LE is 'on the way'. Besides chains/deadbolts, use blocks in sliding doors and lock all windows - use limit sticks, too... you'd be shocked to see what compressive strength a 1/4" dowel has. Make lots of noise - that canned air horn, etc.

Be safe... and don't let the stramge-eyed ones bite you!

Stainz

deputy tom
May 4, 2007, 07:08 PM
A friend keeps a S/S J-frame in a ziplock bag while in the shower.I don't travel so no worries of motel strangers wandering into my clean-up time.YMMV.tom.

Boats
May 4, 2007, 07:16 PM
Spyderco Tasman Salt

http://www.ameyoko.net/marukin/gif/goods/spy_tasman.jpg

These knives will absolutely not rust. Go to bladeforums,com and look up what some people tried to do to get Salt series Spydercos to corrode.

The blade is made of a nitrogen charged Japanese super steel called H-1. The locking bar is of the same material. The pins and the clip and mounting hardware are made of titanium. You could actually have this thing in the shower indefinitely on a shower rack, open it upon hearing any suspicious noise, and still have the element of surprise via the 21' foot rule if anyone rips open the shower curtain or door.

I take mine clipped IWB into pools, rivers, lakes, showers at campgrounds and anywhere else the 1911 or the 638 cannot reasonably travel, and it is still way better than harsh language.

sm
May 4, 2007, 07:18 PM
DawgFvr,

I am a white male, 6' and 170#.

I once was in a Expensive Hotel, the bathroom is just off to the right as one enters the room.
I was in the bathroom, washing my hands, when the door opened, and a fellow walked in with a gun.
In the room, were others in the same industry as I. They were getting unpacked, shooting the breeze...
He had them all "under control" - until my Combat Commander was up and under the back of his head.
Others were able to produce weapons, LEO called.


I arrived to a private house where I was staying, turned off alarm, unlocked the door and was met by a Medium Revolver muzzle stoked with full house .357 loads in my face.


You see there are those that are sought after by Professionals Thugs. They bypass alarms, they kidnap folks, use burn bars on safes, run folks off the road....

I was the intended target, the Pros honestly gave up, I was that hard to get a handle on. They also thought I had made them.

They went to target #2, Buddy of mine. Caught him at his vehicle, just pulled his feet out from under him, and down he went.
At gunpoint now, he was told his wife and kids were being held hostage, and they were.
They drove around for hours, waiting for the wee hours, to force him back into the business to open safes.
They called his wife, and let him out of the trunk long enough to speak to her, at a pay phone in back of a desolate area.

The kid was locked in his room and not touched.
Waiting for hours, the Pros had their way with this guys wife, repeatedly.
He emptied his safe, and was beaten pretty good.


All we can do is share experience , strength and hope on THR and Sister Sites.
We hope Evil never enters the life of another; perhaps sharing will prevent one from having Evil in their life, and if not, hopefully something shared will allow them to survive that encounter.

Mas Ayoob, Jeff White, or Preacherman will PM you if need with the simple message, that I am sharing my experiences and observations.
They will keep my life private, still they can back me up.

Others on this board have experiences as well, and some have experiences in the same industry(s) as I.

One learns from mistakes, it is a lot less painful and expensive if these mistakes are others. -anon

cpaspr
May 4, 2007, 07:59 PM
Obviously you're not going to keep your revolver in the shower:what: , but what about having it at arms reach while in the bathroom?

Actually, it's not quite so obvious.

As SM and others have pointed out, there are legitimate situations where one might need to have a gun actually IN the shower, and not just outside under a towel. Think about it. You're busy soaping down the day's grime, and you hear the door open. And you shouldn't, because no one is supposed to be in your house/apartment/hotel room. So you have to assume it is someone who does not have your best interests at heart.

You don't have time to open the shower door or curtain and grab your gun because THEY'RE ALREADY IN THE ROOM WITH YOU!

The only chance you have is to have the gun in the shower with you. Ziplock bags are a wonderful invention. And revolvers will work just fine with your hand on the outside and the gun on the inside. And if you have to pull the trigger from there, the last thing you're gonna worry about is some water getting to the gun through that hole in the smoking plastic.

RWMC
May 4, 2007, 11:49 PM
John Wayne had his Colt SAA .45 with him while he was in the shower in, "Big Jake."

pablo45
May 5, 2007, 12:06 AM
Of course i have a snubby, when i pee on the ruggy. :neener: Hold on to your Ruger, when your sitting on the pooper. Better having it then wanting it.

SalTx
May 5, 2007, 12:19 AM
I don't think this is a dumb topic. I myself enjoy long, hot showers and I've missed delivery people, friends knocking on the door, kids leaving the house, so you CAN miss events. In fact, it's the worst time to be disarmed cause you can't hear them or see them coming. If I came of a 4-12 shift and the kids were on my watch, I would carry my service pistol in a towel and put it on the toilet, ready should I need it. It could be see as bit paranoid, but it don't bother me and I rather enjoy carrying my weapons, or at least having them nearby.

AZGunLover
May 5, 2007, 12:21 AM
Well at least you got some serious responses. I posted "Where is your carry gun when you shower?" on thefiringline.com back in March and after numerous jokes they closed the thread.

6Gunslinger
May 5, 2007, 04:50 AM
the jokes are funny but I definitely appreciate the serious responses... really gets you thinking. I don't think I'll take my chances. Not sure if I'll go the shotgun or zip lock bag route, but I have a shelf above the toilet that is next to the shower and that should be perfect for resting the 640 under a towel. I just think of what an intruder would think seeing someone bust out of the shower naked, .38 in hand, pointing a laser between their eyes.....:eek:

Pic removed - sorry it is beyond THR - moderator

Soybomb
May 5, 2007, 06:56 AM
I've heard of more than 1 person keeping a gun in a ziplock bag or some tupperware in the actual shower with them. After talking to people who have been victimized in their own homes, I sure won't make fun of anyone for wanting to feel like their home is their castle in whatever way makes them feel best.

Ala Dan
May 5, 2007, 07:41 AM
I can see where a person living alone might want too keep a all stainless
steel revolver (Smith model 60, 66, 642, etc) at arms reach, while in the
shower. Quite obviously, a blued handgun would not hold up very long
after being exposed to all the elements (moisture, heat, etc) of a bath
room~! :eek:

Placing the proper selected handgun on the head lid would seem like a
good idea, for someone who needs a "quick response" handgun while
showering. ;) :D

Diamondback
May 5, 2007, 01:46 PM
In the bathroom.....I always keep a spare tooth bush handy.... charged with ginger flavored toothpaste. If attacked while showering I plan to quickly shove it into the perp's mouth, and feel quite positive it will certainly send the hooligan reeling in agony. Have you ever tasted ginger toothpaste ?

However, I do have concerns if I were to ever use this form of defense......I just now can hear the collective "gasp" from the jury as the prosecuting attorney tells them I defended myself with....ginger flavored toothpaste.

Seriously....we all get to decide for ourselves what is the appropriate level of protection when we are "toileting". I am perfectly comfortable and feel safe if I have a clean towel, fresh bar of Ivory soap, and a full roll of TP as back up ! :) YMMV.

- Regards...with tongue in cheek.

BayouTeche77
May 5, 2007, 02:00 PM
azgunlover,

You had to love the "Clenched tightly between my buttcheeks" response though. It was classic.

As for the OT, your best bet is to always leave your doors locked even your bathroom door, your alarms armed, and have a couple of big dogs. If I ever keep a gun in my bathroom, I've only had to do it twice, it was always my duck hunting shotgun propped up against the wall. It's an older gun that has taken much beating over the years and has been treated after dropping in the water so many times, the water pretty much beads off. Also, many people discount the value of pepper spray in such a situation. You never have to worry about ammo going bad, components rusting, or any of the common issues with guns and water. It's real easy to keep a medium sized canister on your shower rack or hanging from the shower head. Its quick and would buy you some time to get to your weapon, where ever it is.

Ben Shepherd
May 5, 2007, 02:18 PM
Have a friend that was the victim of a hot home invasion while sitting on the throne.

1970's construction, standard split level home. Downstairs bathroom is in pretty much a direct line with the front door.

He is single and lives alone. He's downstairs sitting on the can with the bathroom door open when: BAM!! his front door comes crashing in.

Where was his gun? Upstairs on the coffee table.

He got tied up and they cleaned his place out.

I always have one at arms reach in my house. Always did before that, see no reason to change now.

Joe Demko
May 5, 2007, 03:31 PM
Wasn't going to tell this story again, but it isn't just pretty women who are at risk. See my post #79 to this thread. (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=458123&highlight=shower#post458123)

LarryS.
May 5, 2007, 05:02 PM
Any truth to the rumor that Fred Perrin is marketing "Defensive Soap On A Rope"????........a $2 roll of quarters encapsulated in the center of the soap bar....just to make it more "persuasive"???;)

Interesting thread on several levels......:scrutiny:

M2 Carbine
May 6, 2007, 02:12 PM
Well, this thread got me to thinking.
I've got a couple stainless guns laying around. May as well be in the bathroom as anywhere else.:)

Livetoday
May 6, 2007, 03:53 PM
I've got a small wood shelf up high in the shower for my Bodyguard,works for me..

KINGMAX
May 6, 2007, 03:56 PM
I have a little 'Davis Derringer in .25 - I put it in a soap contailer when I use a public shower at a campground or Truck stop - when it has been neccessary in life.

Livetoday
May 6, 2007, 04:03 PM
Great idea Kingmax, I'm off to wallyworld for a soap container for my Mikros..Thanks

Jomax
May 6, 2007, 04:14 PM
No gun in the shower. My wife and I are home together each morning and only one of us showers at a time while the other is either, sipping coffee, reading the paper or surfing the net all with a gun at immediate hand. When we're both done, it's time for us to go to work.

6Gunslinger
May 6, 2007, 05:17 PM
so would this be considered a little overboard?

Livetoday
May 6, 2007, 05:51 PM
Great pic 6Gun, but when thinking safety of self and loved ones,Overkill is not in my vocabulary...But a .50 cal mounted on the stall might be....;)

Princi
May 6, 2007, 06:48 PM
Some good thoughts guys, got me thinking. We have had problems in the past with the victim being followed into their garage. So in addition to having a gun in the car, I have a loaded gun in a drawer in the garage as well as throughout the house.

My wife travels a lot on business, and I spend a lot of time home alone (with the exception of my two good buddies - Smith & Wesson). What this thread made me think about is a bad habit I've fallen into: I always set the perimeter alarm before going to bed. It has a cool feature that when you set the alarm and don't open an outside door, it turns off the motion detectors.

My bad habit is to get up in the morning, and turn off the alarm before going downstairs. I then make coffee, take a shower, and get dressed. I need to keep the alarm on until I'm ready to go out.

meef
May 6, 2007, 10:00 PM
You do have to remember to be careful if playing with your gun in the shower, however - you can shoot yourself in the foot.








:)

STAGE 2
May 7, 2007, 03:31 AM
If you don't feel safe in your own home, the answer isn't another gun, but to find a new home. Sure there's always the possibility of intruders in any neighborhood, but if you can't even shower without the need to feel armed, I would say thats the biggest red flag you're gonna get.

And to answer your question 870 marine magnum. Recommended by skeet surfers everywhere.

Soybomb
May 7, 2007, 03:49 AM
If you don't feel safe in your own home, the answer isn't another gun, but to find a new home. Sure there's always the possibility of intruders in any neighborhood, but if you can't even shower without the need to feel armed, I would say thats the biggest red flag you're gonna get.
Move where? To a nicer neighborhood? Isn't it flawed to assume that criminals don't want to rob people with money and will target the poorer areas instead? Don't forget some people won't necessarily be helped by moving like the woman who is being targeted by her battering ex.

If you sat down and talked with someone who had their door kicked and was beaten in the living room of their home in a good part of town, would you be able to tell them that they're silly to want a gun in the shower? I sure don't think I could do anything but tell them to do whatever makes them feel safe in their home.

WeedWhacker
May 7, 2007, 04:11 AM
Reinforce your entry/exit areas if possible to buy extra time. Homeowners, look at steel door frames and doorjambs. Non-homeowners, use sturdy door braces. If possible, keep a dog around as an early warning device.

I don't carry *in* the shower, mostly because I'm lazy and have a shotgun about ten feet away anyhow, but if I did, the tupperware container is probably the best idea. The budget alternative would be a sealed gallon-sized ziploc baggie.

44and45
May 7, 2007, 08:35 AM
An obvious solution to the mosture problem of possible rust would be to insert the hand gun into a plastic sanwhich bag or freezer bag that's sealed with zip lock or tape.

You got finger nails or teeth don't you, tear the bag open in an emergency.

ron8903
May 7, 2007, 10:46 AM
How about a travel soap holder and a NAA .22 mini mag?

DawgFvr
May 7, 2007, 10:52 AM
While in the Army, we had to have overwatch while using the latrine...always worried about snipers. Military operations in urban terrain produce even worse scenarios...which I wont go into here. I'll be damned if I have to live that way in my own house...not here in the United States! While I can "possibly" understand the concerns of travelers and hotel precautions, I am in control of my home's security. If I have to be worried about a goblin breaching my door, breaching my dogs...and then breaching my locked bathroom whithout my knowledge and subsequent defensive posture, then I need to get a security consultant and consider moving to a more secure environment. Weapons are tools for me...I am not addicted to firearms nor do I live, breathe and sleep in fear. There are comments in this thread that smack of "compulsive disorder" IMHO.:scrutiny:

Joe Demko
May 7, 2007, 10:56 AM
There are comments in this thread that smack of "compulsive disorder" IMHO.

Thanks for the diagnosis, doctor. Now how about checking out this lump I have "down there?"

Brian Williams
May 7, 2007, 11:18 AM
Just with my left and right ones.

STAGE 2
May 8, 2007, 03:07 AM
Move where? To a nicer neighborhood? Isn't it flawed to assume that criminals don't want to rob people with money and will target the poorer areas instead? Don't forget some people won't necessarily be helped by moving like the woman who is being targeted by her battering ex.

Well, for starters we aren't talking about vengful exs so thats not really relevant. As for your logic, I would agree with you in principle but the facts simply contradict you. The nicer the neighborhood the fewer incidences there are of violent crime and break-ins.


If you sat down and talked with someone who had their door kicked and was beaten in the living room of their home in a good part of town, would you be able to tell them that they're silly to want a gun in the shower? I sure don't think I could do anything but tell them to do whatever makes them feel safe in their home.

Would I tell that specific person, no. They have obviously been traumatized so theres no point in me doing anything other than letting them take any measures that make them feel safe. Would I tell others that carrying in the shower is silly, well yes. Remember, we aren't talking about a gun in the house, we are talking about a gun in the shower. If someone is that paranoid then again my advice would be to find a nice area where you don't feel the need to carry 24/7. I do this for the same reason that I don't advise concertina and claymores along with garden gnomes. Its not practical and its simply isn't the way to live your life.

WeedWhacker
May 8, 2007, 03:43 AM
I do this for the same reason that I don't advise concertina and claymores along with garden gnomes. Its not practical and its simply isn't the way to live your life.

Emphasis mine. If you don't feel it to be practical in your situation, then fine. However, if someone else feels that they would like to take extra steps to ensure they have the means to respond to a threat, than it may well be practical.

Anyhow: big, sealed tupperware container, or a sealed gallon-sized ziplock baggie. Best two suggestions I've heard, since even stainless steel will rust given enough abuse. ;)

Nomad, 2nd
May 8, 2007, 04:04 AM
In one house I lived in I had 'shelves' in the upper corners of the shower stall.
A SS revolver in a ziplock lived on one.

As is, I CCW all the time, the 1911 goes on the back of the toilet, right next to the shower. I shower with the door locked... I figure the door splintering will allow me to reach it.

I don't think about it... I just always have a firearm on, and it's gatta go somewhere anyway?

As to those of you who think we are nutz... you've already had one real life example of the need... if you can't come to grips that there are crazys out there who do not respect ANYTHING I think it is YOU who need to seek help.

Stainz
May 8, 2007, 06:53 AM
My first two wives (20yr & 3yr - some things shouldn't be 'recycled'!) was a smallish person - 5'3" & 115lb. One Valentine's Day, some time after our second divorce, she was upset at work as I hadn't sent her a card or flowers (Duh?) and came by my apartment. It had a 'security door' - steel - with dead bolts, chain, and strikers & hinges secured to the studs. She kicked it in when I was slow to answer the door (Yeah, I was alone - she knew that!)... it knocked me to the floor. The local gendarmes offered to give her a room for the night, but I stupidly refused to press charges. It cost me big time to fix that door. Mute testimony to the power of Prozac, too. I don't think a large man would have too much problem with a big security door. Maybe some 'reactive armor' on the security door would be a better idea...

I am back to carrying now - a 642 & Mikas pocket holsterhelped there, as my 296 only fit selected pockets. I just cannot see myself planting firearms everywhere around the house. Of course, it has been a while since the last 'home invasion' in these parts. I guess I'll just remain complacent.

Stainz

woo18
May 8, 2007, 10:44 AM
I know a few police officers who actually do this. They actually put their gun( Beretta 92, and Sig 220) into a zip lock bag, along with extra magazines, and take this with them into the shower They have been doing this for the past 10 years or so.

I am not sure if their concern is justified, but they go through this ritual every time they take a shower.

chipp
May 8, 2007, 08:40 PM
The way i see it, if you have it for protection,there are 2 choices. lock it in the safe or take it in the bathroom. Leaving it on a table while your in the shower is plain stupid. Of course there's the grey area of hiding it.

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