Anyone buy a GUN SAFE from WALMART.com


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8200rpm
May 7, 2007, 08:31 PM
Sentry G4211 14-Gun Safe at Walmart.com

Price looks good ($389.49) and the freight ($100) is cheaper than what the moving service charges at the local gun shop.

Any one care to share their experience buying a gun safe from Walmart.com???

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4324485

http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/04/90/74/00/0004907400525_500X500.jpg

I wish I had a pick up truck. I could borrow one from someone, but by the time I pick up the truck, fill it up with gas, buy a six pack and pizza for the sucker who's gonna throw out his back helping me, and find a dolly, paying freight doesn't seem so bad.:uhoh:

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thumper723
May 7, 2007, 08:34 PM
Check on WHERE the freight company will put it..

Many will take it to/in your door, if that far. Therefore, you still need to get a dolly and some help.

Creeping Incrementalism
May 7, 2007, 08:47 PM
My friend bought the 5-gun version of that safe from Wal-Mart online a month ago. They dropped it off on his front porch (on a 2nd story condo) pretty quickly after he ordered it. It installed just fine. The 5-gun is a lot less substantial, and he thinks someone could get it open just by using a pry bar and to tear through it, but it would make a lot of noise and would be pretty tough.

sierrabravo45
May 7, 2007, 08:50 PM
How much are your guns worth that you are putting in them????

If you have a Ruger 10/22 and a Remington 870; Go for it.

If you have a Purdy and Holland & Holland I would not buy it.

Think about how much money you will be putting in the safe, ie: jewelry, guns etc. You can easily get over a few grand. Buying a cheap safe is pretty easy to get into.


Just my .02.

1BLINDREF
May 7, 2007, 08:50 PM
Looks like it'll keep the honest people out :rolleyes:
Remember - you get what you pay for. It dosen't make sense to keep $4000 worth of guns in a $300 safe. JMHO :)

Ala Dan
May 7, 2007, 09:00 PM
I bought my Liberty Colonial series RSC from my employer; as I refuse too
give Wally World any of my business, due to their stance on firearms~! :cuss:

distra
May 7, 2007, 09:04 PM
I picked one up at Home Depot for $360 and loaded it into the back of my truck. The safe is fine, but it will not keep out a determined thief. Of course, a determined thief will get into a $2000+ safe as well. I bolted mine to the floor and wall so as to deter just picking it up and walking off. I think this safe works fine for my needs, keeping young unsupervised hands off the goods. Some folks treat safes as furniture and that's fine, there are some beautiful safes out there that I'd love to have in my house. The reality is I could not justify spending the extra money. My $0.02 for what it's worth.

Im283
May 7, 2007, 09:11 PM
you could rent a truck from U-haul a lot cheaper than $100. That safe does not look like it would be that hard to move. Mine weighed 400 lbs empty and I only needed help rocking it back when I moved it with a simple two wheeler.
The one pictured looks like it could be moved by one person and a two wheeler.

Spend the difference on ammo or upgrade the safe.

8200rpm
May 7, 2007, 09:42 PM
I'm not concern about Catherine Zeta Jones doing a Mission Impossible type infiltration into my apartment to steal $5000 worth of guns.:scrutiny: What are the chances?

It's the smash and grab meth addicts, local teenaged delinquents, and gang members from out of town who are looking for easy break-ins that I'm concerned with. This kind of of act is more likely. Plus, my wife is currently incubating our first child.

A $400, 300 lb safe from walmart is sure better than a sliding closet door with all the firearms placed neatly in a stack of individual hardcases for easy carry.:uhoh:

Just wondering if anyone has bought a safe from Walmart.com. That's all. Not trying to replicate Fort Knox Bullion Depository.

arjppj
May 7, 2007, 09:48 PM
if you have a Dick's Sporting goods near you, check out their Stack-ons. They have nice 16/23 gun capacity firesafes that are pretty heavy and have bolts on all four sides of the door, so it would take Catherine Zeta to crack them open.

candr44
May 7, 2007, 09:52 PM
I bought the 10 gun version of that safe. Walmart usually stocks up on safes during hunting season and then puts them on clearance after Christmas. I got two safes for a $100 below the regular price of each one just by waiting for the clearance price. Sam's Club also has safes.

There are a lot better safes out there but I bought mine mainly to keep small kids away from my guns.

renegade1alpha
May 7, 2007, 09:56 PM
I own one and its a pretty nice safe. Its not fire proof, so if there is a fire your guns will not survive if the safe is exposed for a period of time. As far as someone stealing it then all you need to do is bolt it to your floor (bolts are provided with it when you buy it) and you need not worry about it. As far as prying it open with a pry bar, it would be pretty damn tough to do, especially if it were one person or a couple of kids.

As sierrabravo45 said, if you own really expensive guns, then invest in something that is fireproof and heavier. Otherwise it will be a fine safe.

thexrayboy
May 7, 2007, 10:01 PM
I bought one of those from the local Wally world 3-4 years ago. Paid about 250 for it then. They had one of their high school gorillas help me hoist it into the back of the truck. Took it home and unloaded it myself and dolly'ed it into my office. Not to hard to move by myself. That fact would tend to make this one easier to steal than some others. I use mine to store my more inexpensive guns such as the mosins, the CAI knockoffs and the Mossbergs.
I also keep a crap load of ammo in it to make it heavier and harder to move.


Only you can decide how much to spend to secure your arms. As has been stated no safe will stop a determined thief but the better ones will slow em down. As I have a higher end, better built safe for my ARs etc and handguns
this one works well for me for what I keep in it. With safes the aphorism
"you get what you pay for" is a good guideline.

eng23ine
May 7, 2007, 10:07 PM
I just(2 weeks ago) bought a Stack-on brand safe from Dick's sporting goods.
It's a 24 gun convertible, fire rated at 1400F for 30 min, with 3 passive and 5 active locking bolts.
weight= 492lbs
Price= $499.97.

It was installed using 2 guys, a set of handtrucks, and a sheet of 3\4 plywood.

wooderson
May 7, 2007, 10:14 PM
Lowe's sells a similar Sentry model that's configurable to give you more handgun room.

I get the arguments about heavier and more expensive safes, but if you live in a condo/townhome/apartment/mobile home/cardboard box there just aren't that many good safe options (and even fewer if you need more handgun space than rifle). Bass Pro sells a Redhead cube that I liked until no one in the store could get it open because it has a four-number dial.

These seem to be capable of doing a fair job at discouragement and safety for a decent price.

lionking
May 7, 2007, 10:43 PM
not talking about the brand and quality but I agree the more you have better to have quality safe,but I have a big ,very heavy safe and I just sold my house and moved and can tell you it was a pain in the a** since I had no one to help me load it.In fact I paid a safe company to help me load it in the Uhaul and then my friends,since I have some where I'm now...it took 5 of us to unlaod it.

My last house had double doors so it was easy to get in the house but forget about putting it in a bedroom.Don't know if my next house will have decent sized door to get it in.Id rather have it in a backroom also so when people I might not know too well are in my house "outta sight outta mind" you know...

So I can understand and I think I also in the future will get smaller ,easier to move safes,even if I have to get 2 or 3 to fit what would go in a bigger one.

A guy I use to work with,he was a deliquent so he says before he got married with kids and straightened up.We got into a conversation on day about home robbery because I told him I was worried about my guitars,didn't mention guns...

but he said that back in New York he did a couple B&E's,he said that usually big stuff is passed over,its about speed and what you can stuff in your pants like jewelry.money or maybe a handgun.He said that most of the time,things big like guitars,rifles and such are bypassed.

I mentioned I had a safe "for the guitars".He said they would probably look at it,curse at it because of wondering whats inside but unless truely motivated and had lots of time,would move on.He did say though that once they saw it,it might be targeted for next time since it was discovered.

kinda made sense to me what he said.

though in this day and age,its been known to happen that they'll just smash thru your door while you are at home and strong arm you,all bets are off then unless you are quicker and with a weapon ready.

joab
May 7, 2007, 10:51 PM
I've got the truck, a son stupid enough to think he could do it all by himself ,and the refrigerator dolly.
We could just sit back and eat the pizza and drink the beer if you live in Orlando

CB900F
May 7, 2007, 11:21 PM
Fella's;

I'm sorry to say, but it's true, that Butthead & Beavis can do the typical RSC in well under 5 minutes if they have any knowledge about how to go about it at all.

As for fire ratings, unless you know exactly what the test parameters for your specific container were, any advertising on the subject is just about worthless. IMHO the only test worth paying any attention to is the U.L. 1 hour fire standard.

For those who don't know my handle by now, I am a professional locksmith who specializes in safe sales.

900F

Creeping Incrementalism
May 7, 2007, 11:42 PM
I'm sorry to say, but it's true, that Butthead & Beavis can do the typical RSC in well under 5 minutes if they have any knowledge about how to go about it at all.

Maybe some punk could do it if he had any knowledge of it, but how many really do? Everything I know about burglars says that 90% only go through safes that are unlocked, and whatever else in the house they can grab in 15 minutes. As someone else mentioned, if any but the best burglar saw it, the worst they could do is make a guess if it seemed worth it, then try to find one of the few people that know anything about getting into safes, and try a break-in at a later date. For example, on the Discovery Channel's It Takes a Thief, in the episode when the ex-professional burglar found a fast car he wanted in the garage that wouldn't start, he said back in the day he would have tried to come back at a later date with a mechanic to fix it so he could drive off in it.

I'm sure you must have some good stories about safe cracking. One I heard about was when the CIA in some third-world country got the entire staff of a very small Soviet embassy to attend a dinner at the American one, paid the local security guard to walk off, and then used plastic explosives to gain access to the safe.

eng23ine
May 8, 2007, 01:12 AM
My el-cheapo RSC ^above^ IS UL fire rated, or at least the sticker said so.

07Lway
May 8, 2007, 01:15 AM
If you are really worried about someone breaking into your safe, just set up some CCTV recorder, and put a gps tracker into a hollow plastic stock. Then when someone steals all of your guns you will have video evidence and you will know where your guns are (well atleast the one with the GPS).

heypete
May 8, 2007, 02:25 AM
I've not purchased from Walmart.com, but I wouldn't have any problems doing so.

The difference between a $400 RSC (a "gun safe") and $1,400 RSC are minimal. In retrospect, I should have purchased this RSC (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4244346) rather than my $1,400 Cannon CL23 (http://www.cannonsafe.com/safescannonseries.nxg) RSC. Essentially the same protection, but several hundred dollars difference.

As CB900F says, any RSC could be breached in a matter of minutes with simple tools. They can deter thieves, but anyone with a few minutes and basic hand tools could gain access to the contents.

All other things being equal, I'd rather purchase the Sentry RSC and a monitored burglar/fire alarm for the residence than a fancier RSC with the same protection. Having the alarm get the cavalry on their way will reduce the probability of a successful theft or fire damage much more than a fancier RSC will.

Now, if I had any machineguns, super-expensive shotguns (like the $20,000 Perazzi's), or other particularly valuable items, I'd probably end up getting the AMSEC RF6528 (http://www.amsecusa.com/gun-safes-HS-main.htm) TL-30 rated gun safe, or some other suitably rated actual safe.

Wal-Mart Safes
MADE IN CHINA

So are many things today. Stack-On products are made in China. Cannon's "Patriot" series are made in Korea. That doesn't necessarily mean they're of poor quality. They're probably not the best-made things, but for low-to-midrange RSCs you'll find that they're almost all imported.

Ala Dan
May 8, 2007, 04:16 AM
= Residential Security Container~! ;) (for those that didn't know) :banghead:

Will Learn
May 8, 2007, 05:12 AM
http://winchestersafes.com/ mine works fine.

kellyj00
May 8, 2007, 09:27 AM
where are you at? I don't mind lending a hand.
Most of them weigh under 500 lbs, even the fire safes. If you can't dead lift 250 then I'll get a dolly.

I've got a 1/2 ton Nissan Titan with a bed that can easily handle even the heaviest gun safe.

let me know if I can help.

Notch
May 8, 2007, 10:07 AM
For the smash and grab thief, teenage hoodlums and your own kids ( and their friends) ANYthing is better than nothing. I am not reffering to the group here on THR but you will find that many of the folks that argue that a box like that can be easily broken into store their firearms in the closet or under a bed.....

CajunBass
May 8, 2007, 10:26 AM
I can't think of any reason not to get one from Wal-Mart. I'm thinking about one myself.

Cheeseybacon
May 8, 2007, 10:26 AM
Anyone know where I can find a safe that doesn't have the company logo plastered on the front of it?

Juna
May 8, 2007, 10:31 AM
I bought a pistol safe from Walmart.com a while back. It came in good condition in a box right to my house. Of course, it was a lot smaller than what you're buying, so the delivery guy put in in my living room (it's like 20-30 lbs). But I've never bought a long gun safe from them, if that's what you're asking.

Since then, I don't buy things at Wal-Mart b/c I can't stand them & their stance on guns. I now only support smaller businesses whenever possible. Also, FYI, the quality of safes is probably better elsewhere.

Deanimator
May 8, 2007, 10:55 AM
I ordered exactly the same safe from Walmart last year and have been very happy with it.

Deanimator
May 8, 2007, 11:00 AM
Check on WHERE the freight company will put it..
They delivered mine right into the apartment. No problems at all.

Deanimator
May 8, 2007, 11:10 AM
I get the arguments about heavier and more expensive safes, but if you live in a condo/townhome/apartment/mobile home/cardboard box there just aren't that many good safe options (and even fewer if you need more handgun space than rifle).
+1

ANY safe is better than no safe.

Before I bought my Sentry from Walmart, my handguns were stored in my dresser drawers and my gunbox.

Finding a reasonably priced, reasonably sized safe that's appropriate to a lot of handguns is tough. Sentry wants an outrageous price for extra shelves. I just went to Home Depot with the measurements for the shelf that came with it. They cut me a couple of extra shelves out of that plywood made from random pieces of wood. I bought some tool shelf liner and stapled it around them. I think the whole thing came to less than ten dollars, including a couple of razor knives.

hksw
May 8, 2007, 12:28 PM
Yes, keeping your expensive stuff out in the open is always better than putting them in a cheap safe. :rolleyes:

I have the 24 gun Sentry safe that I got from SAM's Club (Wal*Mart). I had taken the delivery option as I was not set up for hauling heavy stuff and was reluctant to ask others for help. I was in SE OH at the time and the delivery company they chose was based in Pittsburgh, PA. They had set up a schedule but were about 3 hours late and it was raining and they had gotten stuck in the mud during a delivery just prior to mine that day. They had placed the safet where I wanted it in my apartment.

A. Mann a gun
May 8, 2007, 12:40 PM
I have that safe and got the same deal from Wal mart. I got mine for the same reson I have kids and it will stop the smash and grab. They delivered mine and put it were I wanted it. Delivery And Tax 539.00 fyi

220_Swift
May 8, 2007, 12:50 PM
I bought the exact safe from Menard's, and delivered it myself. It wasn't all that bad. It is a good safe, for what I want it for. BUT, it filled up very quickly. And now I have to decide to either get another one, or get a bigger one and sell this one. Make sure it will accomodate you now, and in the future.

vynx
May 8, 2007, 05:22 PM
Lowes has a model G5211 I think a little larger - I moved it by myself with a Mitsubishi Montero Sport SUV and a hand dolly when I got home.

Sams Club has a great price on a larger Winchester safe - something like $589 if you pick it up.

AlaskaErik
May 8, 2007, 06:00 PM
I have the same size Sentry safe that I got at Wal-Mart for a bit over $400.00. The only difference is that mine has an electronic lock. I like that much better since it's in the back of a closet where it's only five ft high due to the stair case. Much easier to open an electronic lock. I just used a hand truck to bring it into the house.

AlaskaErik
May 8, 2007, 06:02 PM
Anyone know where I can find a safe that doesn't have the company logo plastered on the front of it?

Maybe at the same place you can buy a Ford without the blue oval on it.

AlaskaErik
May 8, 2007, 06:07 PM
I bought my Liberty Colonial series RSC from my employer; as I refuse too
give Wally World any of my business, due to their stance on firearms~!

My Wally World sells guns and ammo, but the manager says that eventually they'll be phased out due to sluggish sales. This is a business decision based on how much profit that area of the store can generate, not an anti gun bias. I can respect that and have no problem with it.

distra
May 8, 2007, 09:32 PM
I just went to Home Depot with the measurements for the shelf that came with it. They cut me a couple of extra shelves out of that plywood made from random pieces of wood. I bought some tool shelf liner and stapled it around them. I think the whole thing came to less than ten dollars, including a couple of razor knives.

+1
I did the same thing except used scaps from my previous wood projects. I put in 5 shelves and picked up a couple Hyskore modular 3-Gun handgun racks. Keeps my small collection nice and tidy. I have half the safe for handguns and other half for long guns.

8200rpm
May 18, 2007, 02:22 PM
Just had it delivered today...

Walmart included INSIDE delivery for the $99 freight. My local gun store charges $90 for curbside drop off and $120 for inside delivery with a $15/stair surcharge.:rolleyes:

northAmerican Van Lines truck pulled up, the delivery guys unpacked it outside, and two guys placed it in a closet inside one of my bedrooms.

The safe was bolted to the pallet at the factory for shipping. The only way to unbolt the pallet is to open the safe. Opening a safe with a couple strangers standing there is a bit awkward.:uhoh: I hope it wasn't one of these freight companies that use federally subsidized ex-convict labor. What's does the tear drop tattoo below eye symbolize??? :scrutiny:

I'm definitely gonna bolt this sucker into the ground. But, considering that the safe is narrow and tall, and only weighs 300+ lbs loaded, it is possible to use the height/leverage of the safe to rip the bolts right out of the ground.

Lessons learned:
14-gun safes only hold 9 rifles.
Safes that are fat/wide and heavy are a plus.
Apartment living sucks.:banghead:

ConfuseUs
May 18, 2007, 02:58 PM
A friend of mine bought the same model from the local Walmart and I helped him get it home. It is a good deterrent to thieves I think, even if it isn't bolted down.

Yeah, safes really hold only 75% or so of what they're advertised as holding.
If it will hold x number of guns, that means guns that aren't scoped, don't have projecting magazine wells, aren't stored with 30 rd magazines installed, etc.

a1abdj
May 18, 2007, 03:35 PM
Walmart included INSIDE delivery for the $99 freight. My local gun store charges $90 for curbside drop off and $120 for inside delivery with a $15/stair surcharge.

northAmerican Van Lines truck pulled up, the delivery guys unpacked it outside, and two guys placed it in a closet inside one of my bedrooms.

The safe was bolted to the pallet at the factory for shipping. The only way to unbolt the pallet is to open the safe. Opening a safe with a couple strangers standing there is a bit awkward. I hope it wasn't one of these freight companies that use federally subsidized ex-convict labor. What's does the tear drop tattoo below eye symbolize???

$120 plus $15 a sounds very reasonable. I charge $125 an hour, shop to shop. Our average gun safe delivery runs between $200 and $300.

Of course, I have some things the North American Van Lines doesn't have:

Employees that have undergone background checks. They won't come back and steal from you, and they won't talk to all of their friends about the safe you just bought.

Employees that move safes all day long. Granted it's not rocket science, but safes have probably killed more people while being moved that matresses have.

Employees that actually know about safes. They can answer most questions during the delivery, and show you how everything works before they leave. They will place the safe, shim it to level, and assemble anything that doesn't come assembled from the factory. They can install dry rods, bolt the safe to the floor, and change the combination while they are there.

I have $100,000 worth of tools and equipment specifically designed for safe work. This prevents damage to your safe and your house.

Customers can call me before they call the 1-800 number for the safe manufacturers customer service. I am usually better equipped than their customer service reps to answer questions and diagnose problems. I'm also available 24 hours a day.

Moving companies are well known for hiring incompetent, unskilled muscle. They are also well known for hiring ex felons, as they work cheap. This is not true of all moving companies and their employees, but it is widespread. Some gun shops and sporting goods stores that sell gun safes aren't always that much different.

When people ask why I charge $100 more than the gun shop, I tell them that's the charge for peace of mind. No gun shop, sporting goods store, discount store has the training, equipment, or experience that I do. This is definately a case of getting what you pay for.

Jacob Staff
May 18, 2007, 04:27 PM
"My wife is currently incubating our first child."

I got the same safe for this reason. I found it on clearance at the end of deer season.

It is not going to stop anyone who is determined but has done a fine job of holding back little fingers.

The Law
May 18, 2007, 04:56 PM
I got my Sentry from Walmart.com. The freight guy wheeled right into the house. I manhandled it to the garage. It works well enough to keep little fingers away and the casual criminal deterred.

I got it to placate the bleeding heart wife. :banghead::D

hksw
May 18, 2007, 07:39 PM
Lessons learned:
14-gun safes only hold 9 rifles.

Ah, I forgot to post my observations about gun safe (RSC) capacity ratings. The rule of thumb is buy the biggest you can get. (At least twice the number of firearms you are looking to store.) If you don't use up the space now, you will later (and need more).

CB900F
May 18, 2007, 11:07 PM
Fella's;

In point of fact, those "little fingers" will be able to pop most RSC's by the time the fingers get attached to a twelve year old. That's fine if you recognize that up front. However, if the "little fingers" happen to be attached to what used to be known as a "juvenile delinquent", you're almost certainly gonna have a problem. The logic string is blatently obvious.

You may wish to consider upgrading if the signs present themselves through the intervening years. Save for the real thing, it's less painful than recalling the adage about horses and barn doors.

900F

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