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Mr White
May 8, 2007, 01:57 PM
This one takes the cake.

I was at a small show on Sunday. A guy had a table set up with a bunch of ammo. Mostly obscure and old stuff. He did have some newer stuff there but it was way overpriced. He had about 20 boxes of Federal Gold Match, .223, 69gr SMK for $38/ea. I was looking at them shaking my head at the price. He told me that I 'd better stock up on .223 because he just got a letter last week that the federal government was about to outlaw the sale of .223 ammunition and that once the current stocks are gone, there will be no more available, ever.

How stupid do some people think we gun owners are???

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Lonestar49
May 8, 2007, 02:03 PM
...

Sales-people, snake charmers, Snake-oil salesmen, etc., have no morals, except for what-will put money in their pockets, by any means, and they are abound in numbers within our society..

Old saying ~ A fool and his money soon part ~


LS :mad:

Mannix
May 8, 2007, 02:05 PM
How stupid do some people think we gun owners are???
Apparently quite stupid. Though I would suspect he only got sales from people who were there for the first time, as most knowledgeable gun owners aren't that gullible.

Deanimator
May 8, 2007, 02:06 PM
He told me that I 'd better stock up on .223 because he just got a letter last week that the federal government was about to outlaw the sale of .223 ammunition and that once the current stocks are gone, there will be no more available, ever.

That letter from Dennis Kucinich will really be valuable some day! :neener:

1 old 0311
May 8, 2007, 02:16 PM
I heard the same thing about 7.62x39 three years ago:what:

kingpin008
May 8, 2007, 02:21 PM
Shoulda told him that you got the same letter, and it's ok because you just bought a Dillon 550 and enough brass, bullets & powder to keep ya busy until the rapture at a table down the way. Wish him good luck anyway, wait a sec to catch the stunned look on his face when he realizes you suckered him, then go on about your business.

:D :D :D

genxsis
May 8, 2007, 03:12 PM
I think I've just been to my last gun show in a long time. I was told all kinds of BS, such as the price of ammo has doubled, and that MY guns are too "common" to fetch a decent price. And to think I had to pay admission to put up with that! :eek:

Sistema1927
May 8, 2007, 04:08 PM
I hate to say it, but we don't need the anti's and the government to shut down gun shows. We are doing a good enough job on our own. I haven't been to a gun show in about 5 years. I don't think that I have missed anything.

The last one that I attended sold more non-gun "crap" and other assorted garbage. The guns that were there were way overpriced or in lousy shape, or both, and ammo prices were outrageous.

Walkalong
May 8, 2007, 04:17 PM
I go to every show that comes to town, but mostly gone are the days of decent deals and nice people to deal with as the norm. The BS foks have tripled it seems. It used to be where there were a couple of J***A**'s or liars I would avoid, now they are the norm, at least here in Montgomery, Alabama. Your stuff is junk, their junk is way overpriced, etc. There are still some good guys left, but they are not the norm anymore. :)

RIDE
May 8, 2007, 04:18 PM
There are a few deals in gun shows that make them worth attending IMO... I went to a show a few weeks ago... I found a guy with a sign pinned to his back that said "Ammo for sale"... I asked him about .223/5.56... He said he had 1 sealed case (1,000 rds.) left of Serbian made Privi Partisan 5.56... he sold it to me for $200. I wish he had more than just the 1 case.

DoubleTapDrew
May 8, 2007, 04:22 PM
I got tired of leaving gun shows disappointed shaking my head and $12 poorer for admission and parking.

Maybe he'll go home smiling and tell his wife he suckered someone into paying $1900 for a case of .223. :fire:

Sniper X
May 8, 2007, 04:26 PM
There are two big shows here in NM, actually in Albuquerque twice or three times a year, and they are now about half gun sales, and half related BS. I go for parts for ARs, and to see if I can still pick up the occosainal good deal on yet another 1911. Now more and more I see guys with crap on the table, at twice the price it should be, and usually at about that of Sportsmans warehouse is for a new one of the same thing. And if you try to talk them down or tell them how overpriced their stuff is they get all hot and act stupid.


About the only thing I buy now at gunshows is stickers if funny, or T shiirts the shops don;' carry. They are a good place to carry in a clean firearm you want to seell though, eveyrone there is looking for a deal on a nice clean un-beat and not overpriced deal. I sold a Winchester 1894 from 1969 that hadn't been shot since new for $650.00 without a box at the last one.

El Tejon
May 8, 2007, 04:35 PM
Dealers believe gun owners are very, very stupid.:D

Always a goofy gun show rumor going around. After many years in the gun culture you learn to ignore them. Remember the closed magazine Ruger Mini-14 gun show rumor?:D

akodo
May 8, 2007, 05:15 PM
you probably make more money off the 1 sucker per 1000 than you would selling at an honest but small margin to the 50-100 of the 1000 who are legitimately interested in your wares

CZ.22
May 8, 2007, 05:19 PM
I just went to the Dixie gun and knife show in Raleigh and it was real nice. Not that many guns, but no big aholes or anybody, pretty good prices too.

Geronimo45
May 8, 2007, 05:26 PM
Tell him that the ban on .223 happened three days before. "Check the BATFE website." Tell him he'd better put away his .223 before an undercover BAT-man nabs him.

Gnarkill
May 9, 2007, 05:22 AM
Huge liar. Don't listen to any salesmen, ever. He was just selling his wares.

CajunBass
May 9, 2007, 05:33 AM
And if you try to talk them down or tell them how overpriced their stuff is they get all hot and act stupid.

What makes you think they were acting?

I LOVE gun shows. I almost never buy anything, but I love to walk around, look at the stuff, watch the people. They're a hoot.

I did buy a Makarov at one a couple of years ago, and my wife bought a carry purse, and a holster for her G-19 at the last one we went to. I would have bought a Mosin-Nagant but the salesman wouldn't stop talking to his buddy long enough to make the sale, so I just put my money back in my wallet and went home.

hounddog
May 9, 2007, 05:56 AM
The gun shows I have been going to have been entertaining to say the least. Alot of overpriced stuff for the most part, but an occasional deal. Best deals come from those carrying guns around looking to trade. I am also amazed at some of the illegal stuff I have seen at gun shows. Unregistered AOW's primarily. One guy had a sleave insert for a "flare gun" to turn it into a single shot 45 Long colt. Also alot of pistols with drop down for grips. Cobray's chopped down to pistol configurations. Last one I went to, someone had on display and for sale, a Polish AK built from parts with a home built receiver. Lady behind the table wanted $800 for it. Tried to tell me that it was that much because they aren't importing these anymore. Kicker was the only american part on the gun was the FCG, so the parts count was way off. I informed her if the BATF came across this gun, they would trade her the gun for a little court summons.

Zen21Tao
May 9, 2007, 06:40 AM
It has gotten to the point that when I do go to gun shows it is NOT to see what dealers at the show have to sell, but rather its to see what other visitors to the show have they want to sell.

Mr White
May 9, 2007, 07:39 AM
This small show is kind of nice. Not too big or crowded, only 3$ admission, and a few decent people to talk to. I did manage to find a few decent deals:
1# H4895 for $15, 1# 4064 for $14 and an RCBS bullet puller and 4 collets for $35. Plus, theres a dealer there who sells WWII stuff and old guns... lugers, old broomhandles, old Hi Powers, peacemakers, ... He knows his sh** and he'll talk your ear off with all kinds of good information w/o trying to sell you anything. He alone is worth the price of admission.

qajaq59
May 9, 2007, 08:11 AM
I like to go to the shows occasionally just to see if one of the dealers is going to tell me to buy this ammo because the end of the world will be next Thursday and I should get a little shooting in before I turn to dust.

I think that's the only line I haven't heard...... :)

Dr. Dickie
May 9, 2007, 08:25 AM
Yeah, you hear the funniest things at gun shows.
Good thing the internet is ripe with well informed, helpful, folks willing to quash unfounded rumors and set the record straight:neener:

Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.
Venturing outside of THR is scary:what:
As far as .223, heck with the current prices they might as well ban it, who can afford the stuff?:banghead:

Notch
May 9, 2007, 12:59 PM
I basical go to just plain old look at guns. I rarely even bring money. Its just a chance to see a huge ( compared t the local stores) amount of firearms in one place....

possum
May 9, 2007, 01:02 PM
there is a gun shop up the road that tried to pull a similar one over on the customers, it was in the form of a computer type print out that said something to the effect that the fn five sevens weren't gonna be avaliable anymore. and in sharpie black on top it stated "we won't get anymore" or something to that effect. it is kinda funny i read over part of it and my buddy and me figured out real quick that it was bs. nice tactic but it dosen't work on me.

Kindrox
May 9, 2007, 01:19 PM
In DFW guns shows are a mixed bag. There are usually several dealers with LOADS of new pistols, sometimes selling just a few bucks above internet prices and often WAY lower than the store prices around here. Don't get me started on gun store prices in DFW.

Then you have some ammo reloaders selling for what passes as decent prices now days, so that is not to bad as long as you like reloads.

And then there are millions of tables with tacticool junk, $16 cproducts AR mags, expensive as heck mags for other guns, and the general gun tables with stupid prices. 95% of the sellers are the same at every show. You know them, $35 9mm uzi mags, $900 basic config bushmasters, $600 used mini-14's, over MSRP suppressors, ect.

I was in the market for some 20 round old-style AR15 mags and those usually are priced from $15-20 at the gun shows. I spoted a single mag at a table of other stuff, sometimes a good sign for prices. As I picked it up I asked about price and depressed the follower with my finger. The follower stuck and even rapping the mag on my other hand would not dislodge it.

The gomer was asking $20 and said all followers stick if you depress them with your finger. :neener: I think used car salemen often double as gun show sellers.

I look for the 5% of tables where normal people will get together and buy a table to sell a few misc items. These people and the ocassional regular who seemingly mismarked something down to a real price is about the only point in going for me.

xsquidgator
May 9, 2007, 01:37 PM
Gun shows are ok if you go in expecting the stupid stuff, the overpriced stuff and so forth. If you know about what stuff ought to cost then you can spot a bargain or at least a reasonable deal sometimes. I mostly go to be able to buy powder and primers w/o $20 hazmat fee like on an internet order, and maybe other stuff like extra mags or accessories and cleaning gear. And it's worth the admission for the beef jerkey booth! (a friend of mine calls it "meat candy" for his kids - they zip right over to the jerkey booth)

The Lone Haranguer
May 9, 2007, 02:05 PM
Years ago at a southern California gun show, I saw a Ruger "old model" single-action, caliber .41 Magnum, being advertised as a "Flat Top" (the earliest version of these revolvers, differing in the shape of the frame and rear sight). I should have called him on it.

quatin
May 9, 2007, 02:10 PM
At that point you offer to sell him remington green boxes for $30 a box and so he can stock up as a dealer before the ban arrives.

Neo-Luddite
May 9, 2007, 02:57 PM
My favorite;

The creepy guy with the vest selling 10 ct bags of ss109 green tip labeled 'armor piercing' for 10 bucks. Lots of racist and nazi stuff, too. The only guy that will be on the news if the media comes out to play.

CountGlockula
May 9, 2007, 03:12 PM
My local gun show was selling body armor and guess what their sign said: "Buy Body Armor before CA bans them!!!!"

BayouTeche77
May 9, 2007, 03:49 PM
Neo-Luddite, you know it. The media would seek that guy out, tell him about how mexicans, black people, asians, (any minority really) are the reason he has no money, real job, girlfriend, etc. then tape his response to show on the 6 o'clock news and claim that he was the "official spokesperson" for all gun owners present. It's just the way things work.

The best I had was when I was checking out a like-new Ruger Mark II 22, just to have an extremely reliable plinker. I asked the guy how much for the gun (it was labelled $270), and he quickly responded by grabbing the gun out of my hand, taking the cable lock off of it, and put it behind his table. He told me that he couldn't sell that gun since he had just found out that they had been replaced by the new Mark III's and that the price of Mark II's had just shot up tremendously. I gave a little chuckle when he told me that if I seriously wanted the gun he would consider it for $550.

She just reminded me of it so I had to include it, my fiance's shinning moment at the same gun show. She was talking to a gentleman about pepper spray to keep in her purse, he asked if she ever considered carrying along with the pepper spray. She said yeah, but seeing as how she is a student she couldn't keep the gun with her at most times so she was waiting to get her permit and weapon. There was a woman at the next booth who came over and started acting extremely rude, telling my fiance that a gun was never really intended for a woman to carry and use. She said if she would ever use a gun in self defense she would definitely end up in jail and that if she were to miss the guy attacking her would take her gun and kill her. Then the woman produced a tazer from her own table and told my fiance that she would bet her life on the tazer any day before a gun because a tazer "always" stops an attack. My fiance politely told the woman "Really! Well then, let's go outside. You can bring your tazer, I'll bring a gun and if you manage to touch me I'll buy ten of your tazers." I'm sooooo proud of her! Really, she wasn't near as smart-@ssed when I first met her.

heypete
May 9, 2007, 05:23 PM
He told me that I 'd better stock up on .223 because he just got a letter last week that the federal government was about to outlaw the sale of .223 ammunition and that once the current stocks are gone, there will be no more available, ever.

*snerk* Yeah, like the government would suddenly ban one of the most common cartridges on the market. I think the only rifle caliber more common than .223 is .22LR, but that's a pistol/rifle cartridge and doesn't really count. I can't think of any centerfire rifle cartridges in the US that are shot more than .223...the 7.62x39mm might come close.

That's like saying "Ok folks, we're going to ban 87 octane gasoline next week. Sure, most cars run on it, but too bad."

I feel sorry for whoever believes that.

imprezagm4
May 9, 2007, 05:28 PM
The best I had was when I was checking out a like-new Ruger Mark II 22, just to have an extremely reliable plinker. I asked the guy how much for the gun (it was labelled $270), and he quickly responded by grabbing the gun out of my hand, taking the cable lock off of it, and put it behind his table. He told me that he couldn't sell that gun since he had just found out that they had been replaced by the new Mark III's and that the price of Mark II's had just shot up tremendously. I gave a little chuckle when he told me that if I seriously wanted the gun he would consider it for $550.


HAHA, that is seriously insulting to ones intelligence.

Plink
May 9, 2007, 07:08 PM
Now more and more I see guys with crap on the table, at twice the price it should be

I used to feel the same way about gunshow prices. I've had tables at the local shows on and off since 1999 or so and always shook my head in disbelief at the prices some folks wanted. That was until I began to travel to shows in other cities.

For example, I just did the Phoenix show. With gas at nearly $3 a gallon, rooms at just under $60 a night and tables at $90 if I remember right, my travel expenses were around $700. My car gets fair mileage. If I had a truck that got 10-12 MPG, the cost would have been even higher! Also factor in the cost of a wireless credit card machine, eating out, etc.

Do you know how much in sales I had to do just to break even? This is not a high markup industry, so it takes quite a lot of sales, even at the higher end of the price scale, to turn even a small profit.

The reason we go to gun shows is to find things we don't normally see at our local gun shops. We go for the variety! If the shows were full of local dealers only, they wouldn't be worth attending. The local dealers don't have much in the way of expenses other than table rental.

But it's the out of town vendors that make the shows, in my opinion. They bring in the variety, the things you don't see every day at the local shops. Sure you can find the same items online for less money sometimes, but they have a lot of travel expenses to cover and only 2 days to do it in. I didn't understand when I was on the outside looking in, but being on the inside changed my perspective in a big way. If we don't support them, they won't be back, then our shows will have nothing that the local shops don't already have.

I'm NOT an apologist for the folks blatently trying to rip people off, like the example in the original post. It really irks me when gun folks try to rip off fellow gun folks. There's far too much of that happening at shows. I've been seeing SKSes at shows recently that are priced at $400-450. Sad part is they usually sell quickly to people who don't know better, thus perpetuating the problem

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