Michigan and Guns?


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EmGeeGeorge
May 11, 2007, 02:04 AM
I'm thinking about making a change in the next year or so and going to school possibly in traverse city, michigan...

I've been in Washington state the past five years, but I hail from NY state, where the gun laws are absolutely abyssmal...

Just wondering about the basics of Michigan guns laws... in laymens terms...

I see that a permit is required for a pistol, but what about long guns?

Any info will be appreciated....

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Darkside852003
May 11, 2007, 02:54 AM
Permit to buy a handgun then registration. Nothing is required for long guns, unless it has a folding stock which brings total length under 30 to 26 inches you have to register it as a pistol.

No suppressors or SBRís or SBSís.

starshooter231
May 11, 2007, 02:54 AM
I am not sure about long guns but yes handguns require a permit.
If you to to mi.gov and then go to the state police link all of the info you need should be there.

Trebor
May 11, 2007, 12:59 PM
Michigan is "OK" as far as gun laws go. We'd be "Great" if it wasn't for the "Purchase Permit" system for handguns.

The BEST thing about Michigan gun laws is that we have a state-level "pre-emption" law. That means that no local municipality can pass gun laws stricter than state gun laws. That really helps.

Here's the basics:

Rifles and shotguns - No special restrictions except any long gun between 26" and 30" has to be registered as a handgun. Anything under 26" is illegal.

Handguns - You must obtain a "Permit to Purchase" from your local PD before buying a handgun. Once you have the purchase permit in hand, you have 10 days to buy the gun and return with the gun to the local PD for the mandatory "Safety Inspection." The safety inspection is just registration under another name. There is an effort to end this practice, but I don't expect it to pass anytime soon.

Assault Weapons - No state level "asault weapons" bans or high capacity mag bans. These get introducted from time to time, but none have gotten any traction yet.

Concealed Pistol License - We have been a "Shall issue" state since 2002 (I think? Maybe 2001?) You do have to have mandatory training to apply and there are certain misdeamoners that disqualify you if you were convicted of them within the last eight years. The process is fairly straightforward though. The bad news is we do have some state-level restrictions on where you can carry. No carry in hospitals, bars, "entertainment facilities" holding more then 2,500 people, etc.

Full Auto - MG's are allowed under state law. The normal Federal restrictions and procedures to purchase apply of course. No SBR's or SBS's though. No silencers either though, although that *may* change.

I notice you are talking about going to school here. Be aware that several (most?) colleges ban possession of guns on-campus, including student apartments, and that they can and do enforce that.

30 cal slob
May 11, 2007, 01:05 PM
Traverse City, huh? In a few months you're gonna need a 20 mm cherry popper. Have fun in the UP. :neener:

dm1333
May 11, 2007, 03:44 PM
According to the Yoopers I have met so far! I just moved to Sault Ste. Marie and just got back from ordering a Stag lower. Complain about the pistol permits all you want but I just came here from California and am loving it!

ACP230
May 11, 2007, 07:37 PM
Traverse City is definitely "below the bridge" (the Mackinaw Bridge between the two peninsulas).
Therefore it is where "da trolls" live.
Da Yoopers live "above the bridge" eh?

There are lots of chances to shoot, or hunt in either part of Michigan.
If you get a concealed carry permit you don't have to get a permit to purchase before buying a handgun from a dealer. Just show the gun store guy your permit. That's nice when you from the U.P. and find a Smith 58 .41 Magnum at Cabela's in Dundee!

Still have to have the gun "inspected" after getting home though.

TexKettering
May 11, 2007, 07:47 PM
I have some Michigan gun law questions also... my questions are regarding CHL laws and things like that.

I have a Texas CHL, but go to school in Flint, MI (ugh...).
I've looked online, but I can't find any kind of handbook of CHL laws. Texas has a .pdf that has all the CHL laws... where to carry, deadly force statutes, etc.... and that's the kind of information I need.
I want to know what I can do legally, especially using deadly force if necessary.

starshooter231
May 11, 2007, 07:53 PM
Go to the County clerk and ask for a copy of Michigan Gun Laws. Then read all 235+ pages. That will give you all the laws you want. As for use of deadly force I would recommend you take a CPL class from an instructor.

TexKettering
May 11, 2007, 07:55 PM
Is there a reason why I couldn't just read it from the handbook?

I may take a CPL class with my shooting club at my school, though.
(The school is paying for it, but they don't know it's a CPL class... it's being labeled "educational" on the budget report:D)

Edit: Also, would there be any way to get that information online? I'd like to read up on the laws before I get there.

10 Ring Tao
May 11, 2007, 08:03 PM
I believe this is the michigan compiled firearms laws, as of 5/2006:

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/Publications/Firearms.pdf

Late last year the castle doctrine laws were passed:

http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2005-SFA-1046-E

Also look up Senate Bills 1046 and 1185, and House Bills 5142, 5143, 5153, and 5158.

More later.

TexKettering
May 11, 2007, 08:12 PM
Thanks 10 Ring Tao, I'll take a look through these.

BigFunWMU
May 11, 2007, 09:33 PM
Actually the neat thing about the 26"-30" longuns that have to be registered at pistols; you carry them as a loaded trunk gun if you have your CPL.

IANAL, and not the intent of the stupid law, but is is correct to the letter.

TexKettering
May 12, 2007, 06:23 PM
I perused through the Michigan firearms .pdf posted above. It doesn't appear as though there are CPL specific laws. Texas has a concealed carry law book they distribute to CHLs. In the book, it discusses everything related to CHLs and the laws that govern them - where to carry, where not to carry, when force is allowed, when deadly force is allowed.

Does Michigan have anything similar?

Sidenote: It says I'm not allowed to carry into a college dormitory or classroom... does not say anything about administration building or rec. center(which is good because I work at the rec. center and sometimes have to close up and walk back alone... at night... in Flint).

wdlsguy
May 12, 2007, 07:06 PM
Firearms information from the Michigan State Police (http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-123-1591_3503_4654---,00.html).

10 Ring Tao
May 12, 2007, 08:09 PM
Sidenote: It says I'm not allowed to carry into a college dormitory or classroom... does not say anything about administration building or rec. center(which is good because I work at the rec. center and sometimes have to close up and walk back alone... at night... in Flint).

As I understand it, you're right. Anywhere on campus is legal (but may still violate some pantywaisted school/employment policy), with the exception of dorms or classrooms.



Firearms information from the Michigan State Police.

Especially...

http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-123-1591_3503_4654-10953--,00.html#INFORMATION_FOR_CPL_HOLDERS

TexKettering
May 12, 2007, 08:11 PM
Well I wouldn't exactly let anyone know I was carrying at the Rec. Center. I also don't plan on telling anyone except for a few close friends.

The administration and security at my school is ridiculous.. the less they know about everything, the better.

10 Ring Tao
May 12, 2007, 08:25 PM
Well I wouldn't exactly let anyone know I was carrying at the Rec. Center. ... the less they know about everything, the better.

Indeed, as it should be.

foob
May 12, 2007, 08:49 PM
Once you have the purchase permit in hand, you have 1- days to buy the gun and return with the gun to the local PD for the mandatory "Safety Inspection."

What if you get delayed during NICS check? Have to get another purchase permit?

Barbara
May 12, 2007, 09:04 PM
jtsimmons@jtsimmons.com

If you email Jim (HIAL) I'm sure he'll send you one of his CDs of updated Michigan Firearms Laws. He does a great job.

10 Ring Tao
May 12, 2007, 10:49 PM
Once you have the purchase permit in hand, you have 1- days to buy the gun and return with the gun to the local PD for the mandatory "Safety Inspection."

What if you get delayed during NICS check? Have to get another purchase permit?

That is supposed to read '...you have 10 days to buy...'. Looks like he hit the dash key instead of the zero key while typing.

NICS has three days to approve or deny you (most are instantly approved). If after 3 days the FFL hasn't heard, he can go ahead and transfer the gun to you. Just make sure you've got 4 days left on that purchase permit, and you'll be fine.

Trebor
May 13, 2007, 02:21 PM
That is supposed to read '...you have 10 days to buy...'. Looks like he hit the dash key instead of the zero key while typing.

Yeah, that's what I did. I fixed it now. Darn tpyos.

qajaq59
May 13, 2007, 03:45 PM
I also don't plan on telling anyone except for a few close friends.


Do yourself a favor... Don't tell anyone. Close friends or otherwise. What they don't know can't hurt you.

TexKettering
May 13, 2007, 07:04 PM
Do yourself a favor... Don't tell anyone. Close friends or otherwise. What they don't know can't hurt you.


The guys I'm living with will know, and I don't think that's a bad thing at all. I plan on taking them to the range with me and letting them put some rounds downrange so they feel comfortable using it if they ever need to.

TexKettering
May 13, 2007, 07:08 PM
And sorry to beat a dead horse, but I've already looked all the posted links and none of them seem to be what I'm looking for.

For example, Texas has this online pdf here (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/ls-16.pdf) that specifically states information regarding CHL laws. None of the above links have discussed using force or deadly force. I'm starting to think Michigan doesn't have that information online, which is fine, but I was just asking if anyone knew of something I didn't.

Trebor
May 13, 2007, 08:01 PM
The reason none of the links posted had info on the use of deadly force is because that really isn't a subject of Michigan's firearms laws. The use of force would be covered under the general Michigan laws regarding battery, assault with a deadly weapon, justifiable homicide, etc. You'd have to put practically the whole Michigan Compliled Laws on-line to truly cover the relevant laws.

The *huge* difference between Texas law and Michigan law is that in Michigan you CAN NOT use deadly force to protect property. You can ONLY use deadly force to protect life. I'm sure there are other differences as well, but that's a big one.

When you take the Michigan Concealed Pistol License class, the attorney who does the legal portion will discuss Michigan laws regarding the use of deadly force and the Michigan Concealed Pistol License law.

TexKettering
May 13, 2007, 08:08 PM
Thanks for the info, Trebor. :D

I'll sign up for a CPL class when I get there.

Bezoar
May 13, 2007, 10:18 PM
Well you have to read every page on the state police website concerning who can or cannot get a handgun in michigan first, some things as simple as a DUI conviction/ticket within 8 years of date can deny you a purchase permit..

However you need to get to michigan, get a home address, and get to your local state police store and get the CCW packet and start shelling out money when youve read it a few times.
From what I have read on it so far, the worst will be sitting through the actual class and doing the testing.

fspitzdorf
May 14, 2007, 09:09 AM
Purchasing a pistol in Michigan, there is NO getting Delayed... as the purchase permit is the NICS background check... the law enforcement agency issuing the purchase permit will do a background check at the time of issue...

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