safe .44 mag defensive ammo?


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cajun47
May 12, 2007, 10:24 AM
i fear that if i shot a bad guy with a .44 mag i could hit bystanders or neighbor's house.

don't they make .44 mag ammo with some sort of buckshot in them? good choice? what are they called?

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Nightcrawler
May 12, 2007, 10:27 AM
You do not want to use shot rounds out of a revolver for personal defense. It's called "snakeshot" because it's not especially effective on anything larger. In something as thick as a human target, it won't penetrate deeply enough. It'll make a largely superficial wound.

If you're worried about penetration (I am too at home; apartments have thin walls), get yourself some Glaser Safety Slugs. They're some of the best pre-fragmented ammunition out there. The bonus is they'll be very lightly recoiling.

cajun47
May 12, 2007, 10:33 AM
http://cheaperthandirt.com/73132-5578-196.html

^^ that. those break up into many pieces?

eliphalet
May 12, 2007, 10:38 AM
Place a snake shot in the first cylinder and if that didn't "get er done" have the next bullet something solid.

cajun47
May 12, 2007, 10:38 AM
i found a picture of what those do! cant post the link cause its way too long.

should i get those for 9mm also or powerball(9mm).

MassMark
May 12, 2007, 11:02 AM
I could not get on to the server as they must be updating, but check out "The Box O Truth". Also check out our own JE223's ballistic testing, (he has a website). I'm not saying Glasers are bad, but there may be more effective options out there for you...Good luck!

cajun47
May 12, 2007, 11:33 AM
will do.

i remember seeing some .44mag ammo at a gunshow with 3 or 4 ball barrings or buckshot in them. this was long ago.

Deer Hunter
May 12, 2007, 11:35 AM
Some tunnel rats in vietnam carried snub-nose S&W 29s loaded with buckshot rounds.

Ben Shepherd
May 12, 2007, 01:31 PM
I'd really look into the cor-bon 165 grain offering for what you are trying to do.

Deanimator
May 13, 2007, 01:04 PM
There's no need to use magnums unless you really want to. I have both Federal and CCI 200gr. .44 Specials for my 4" Model 29-2. The Federals use a 200gr. LSWC-HP and are very similar to the .38 Special "FBI" load, only bigger. The CCI Blazers use a 200gr. Gold Dot JHP. Either one will put somebody down permanently without excessive danger of over-penetration.

svtruth
May 13, 2007, 02:30 PM
has ballistics very close to .45acp.
Good luck.

Plink
May 13, 2007, 03:02 PM
get yourself some Glaser Safety Slugs. They're some of the best pre-fragmented ammunition out there.

Ever hunted anything with them? I have. They don't work worth dirt. They don't have enough penetration to get the job done unless you get really lucky with them.

I'd suggest looking into some of the .44 special self defense loads, like the Cor-Bon DPX. They're a lot less powerful than full power .44 magnum loads. About the same power as a .45 ACP.

Geister
May 13, 2007, 04:31 PM
i fear that if i shot a bad guy with a .44 mag i could hit bystanders or neighbor's house.

You could just as easily do this with a .357 Magnum or a .45 Auto. But to answer your question, use Speer's short barrel .44 Magnum ammo, which has a KE rating of 514 ft./lbs. Otherwise go all the way down to .44 Special.

mavracer
May 13, 2007, 09:36 PM
+1 on speer gold dot short bbl. and they double for shot glasses LOL

351 WINCHESTER
May 13, 2007, 10:19 PM
I'd hate to touch off a .44 mag. load indoors. Yes it would stop the bg, but your ears will be ringing for the rest of your life. Better off with the .44 special loads that expand. I for one don't trust the glasers as we recently tested their .38+P from a 4" and I think the m/v was only 1150fps. Printed on the back of the pack was 1700fps. It failed, and badly too. If this is any indication of their q/c forget it.

Sundles
May 14, 2007, 10:42 AM
Get some 44 cal. muzzle loadiing sabots. Fill them with modeling clay. Then load them on top of a very healthy charge of Power pistol powder in good 44 mag. brass. You can run these little devils at aound 2,000 fps out of a four inch barrel and they go splat if they hit a bad guy--they will likely go all the way through the bg and then be played out enough to be a non threat to the neighbors.

These things mushroom huge and leave a hole that is memorable.

PzGren
May 14, 2007, 10:56 AM
Sundles,

do you mean lead sabots or just the plastic wads around them?

springmom
May 14, 2007, 11:12 AM
I'd second the 44 special ammo. It has good ballistics and will do what you need to do. (And the recoil is enough less that it's not so difficult to keep target acquisition).

Springmom

ArchAngelCD
May 14, 2007, 11:48 AM
I would suggest loading your .44 Magnum with .44 Special rounds. I have a 4" .357 Magnum and load it with .38 Sp +P rounds for HD. You really don't want to squeeze of a round or two of .44 Magnum in a dark inclosed room in the middle of the night. Can you say Flash-Bang?? That's what it would be like...

slow944
May 14, 2007, 11:55 AM
go to gunblast.com and read Jeff Quinn's article about the Corbon 200gr, 44spl. ammo for self defence.

Sundles
May 14, 2007, 12:29 PM
PzGren,

I mean just the plastic wad--THAT is the sabot. At close range, they will go through a person, especially if you fill them with clay or some other soft stuff, but they peter out very quickly.

This obviously requires lots of work and lots of know how. It's probably much eassier to use 44 SPL ammo, but that stuff will over penetrate almost as bad as some 44 mag. ammo.

envonge
May 17, 2007, 08:19 AM
Buffalo Bore Ammunition 44 Remington Magnum +P+ 340 Grain Lead Flat Nose Gas Check

philbo
May 17, 2007, 10:04 AM
Another vote for a quality 44 special hollowpoint like Corbon DPX

Seven For Sure
May 17, 2007, 11:37 AM
Another vote for the Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel.

Bula
May 17, 2007, 12:14 PM
Buffalo Bore Ammunition 44 Remington Magnum +P+ 340 Grain Lead Flat Nose gas Check

What?

Evonge, I was waiting for you to suggest your twin 20mm machine gun instead.

Sorry to stray guys but....

steveracer
May 17, 2007, 12:16 PM
Steve

Charles S
May 17, 2007, 01:23 PM
Place a snake shot in the first cylinder and if that didn't "get er done" have the next bullet something solid.

I really cannot believe that anyone actually suggested that. I really, really cannot.

If you are interested in a magnum loading the new Speer Gold Dot short barrel loading should be a good choice as would the Winchester Silver Tip.

I personally would and do use a 44 Special load for a lot of reasons. I prefer the CCI Blaser loaded with the 200 grain Gold Dot.

I would stay away from frangible loads unless you have no other choice. I just don't trust them at oblique angles or on really big individuals.

cookekdjr
May 17, 2007, 01:57 PM
I prefer the CCI Blaser loaded with the 200 grain Gold Dot.

+1. Just about perfect as a self defense load. And these are quite accurate.

mavracer
May 17, 2007, 02:10 PM
I prefer the CCI Blaser loaded with the 200 grain Gold Dot.
is that the same bullet as SB load

Seven For Sure
May 17, 2007, 04:21 PM
Yes, it's the same bullet. If you have a 44mag, why not get a few more FPS? The Short Barrel load is very mild for a magnum.

Charles S
May 17, 2007, 04:27 PM
I will try the SB load. I have been very, very pleased with the accuracy, handling characteristics, recoil, and cost of the Blaser 44 Special load with the 200 gr Gold Dot Hollow Point.

I will have to think the SB load is incredible to change, but I am going to try it out.

Geister
May 17, 2007, 08:22 PM
The equilibrium round for self-defense would probably be a big bore, 200 grain bullet going at about 1,000 FPS. Anything more is too much.

The Short Barrel .44 Magnum ammo is probably the closest to that. If you had a 4" .44 Magnum and could stand the width and weight of the gun, it'd make a cool CCW piece.

C-grunt
May 17, 2007, 09:40 PM
Buffalo Bore Ammunition 44 Remington Magnum +P+ 340 Grain Lead Flat Nose Gas Check

That would work but he asked for something that wouldnt go through the BG and his neighbor and his neighbor's neighbor. LOL

Not to mention instant Carpal Tunnel.

Geister
May 17, 2007, 11:50 PM
C-grunt,

I figure if I need to kill something with a round that powerful, I'd go with a rifle, hahaha.

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