Front Sight Gated Community "the safest town in America


May 12, 2007, 06:42 PM

...near LV NV.
$300,000 for an acre lot plus all the firearm lessons you want for life.

Front Sight Resort ( Even Building a New Master-Planned Community for Its Students.
Yes, Front Sight Resort is building a master-planned community encompassing the resort for the exclusive use of its students. Appropriately named the township of Front Sight, and dubbed "The Safest Town In America", this gated community, when completed, will provide 177 one-acre luxury home sites, 350 condominiums, a commercial center, a community center, a private K-12 school, all municipal services, and even a 5,000 foot air strip. Front Sight Resort definitely takes care of our student's needs for present and future training

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May 12, 2007, 06:51 PM
wow, all those rich guys with all that tactical training.................. :eek:

May 12, 2007, 06:56 PM
Hope the next presidential administration doesn't decide they're a cult - and start sending in the tanks.

Seems like a nutty idea to me - now I see where Front Sight's profits are going.

May 12, 2007, 07:01 PM
Weren't there people suing Front Sight because the 'master-planned community' appears to be headed nowhere fast?

now I see where Front Sight's profits are going.
From what I hear, their profits are going to the Church of Scientology. (nb: I have no beef with Scientology, they're no wackier than any other religion)(okay, maybe a little wackier)

May 12, 2007, 07:31 PM
People on both sides of this argument get wound up quick. Some people love it and some people hate it.

Associating Front Sight with Scientology can get nasty real fast.

Do a search, we've all argued this one many times before.


May 12, 2007, 07:33 PM
Anything tied to Scientology is a pass for me.

May 12, 2007, 07:35 PM
there is no such place as the "safest town"

May 12, 2007, 07:37 PM
Don't think that youtube news could be any older.

Go to frontsight for the training, don't even consider getting into the real estate scams that they seem to have going on there.

May 12, 2007, 08:03 PM
I just ran into the YouTube and thought it was a bit on the bizzar side.

May 12, 2007, 08:13 PM
Before anyone signs up to become one of the various level "Life Members" of the Front Sight Family, I suggest doing a little more research than you normally would.

I shall refrain on any negative comments about the organization and Dr. Piazza specifically since this is the High Road.

But this site says volumes.

Plus there is lots more corroborated information available out there.

Edited to add. If anyone is thinking about purchasing any of the land offered (if its still being offered even) to build a house on, please, PLEASE, contact a land contract attorney BEFORE any money exchanges hands.


Fulcrum of Evil
May 12, 2007, 08:32 PM
From what I hear, their profits are going to the Church of Scientology. (nb: I have no beef with Scientology, they're no wackier than any other religion)(okay, maybe a little wackier)

That's news to me. Got any evidence? AFter seeing what Scientology does to people they don't like, anything associated with them is a definite pass.

May 12, 2007, 08:59 PM
No evidence, I just remember a lot of talk about Ignatious Piazza (aka the guy with the creepy mustache) having connections and suing people who questioned his ties. There's probably more to it, but I'm a relative newcomer to the gun forums.

May 12, 2007, 09:02 PM
Anyway, I'd be more concerned about the litigation and failures of the gated community than about the guy's religion if it were my money.

May 12, 2007, 10:45 PM
I don't know what the memberships use to cost, but the lower level memberships they offer now seem like a very good deal. They have a promo going right now where you can get 3 lifetime memberships that include unlimitted use of their beginning and intermediate level classes for a total of $6,900. That works out to $2,300 per person, which is only $300 more than taking a single 4-day class. I don't see how that can be a bad deal.

May 13, 2007, 01:46 AM
I'd looked into taking some classes at Front Sight, but since all sorts of personal info was demanded (for a simple training class! I already have my own firearm, etc.), I decided against it especially due to the business' links to Scientology.

-edited out needless, inflammatory remark

May 13, 2007, 01:54 AM
Leave the church and religion stuff out of it.

Stick to the merits.

If they train well and have good prices, that's what you're looking for.

If they charge too much or do a bad job, then that's worthy of comment.

If you've been there and have a report, I'd like to hear it.

If all you know is innuendo found on "teh intarwebz" then drop it.

May 13, 2007, 03:12 AM
I was speaking from experience in my post (


May 13, 2007, 03:53 AM
Do a search on these boys. I poked my nose into their operation up here, and the whole thing reeks to high heaven. The layers of memberships, plus the unspeakable costs involved, should set off every alarm in your head. Ask yourself--what are they selling and is it worth the price? What are you ACTUALLY buying? Does it have the value they claim it does?

This has nothing to do with any religion. It's a question of not getting ripped off.

May 13, 2007, 04:23 AM
A bunch of friends and I got ahold of those "free lesson" certificates, and made a vacation out of going to frontsight.

The training was good. Most of us avoided getting sucked into the whole hard sell membership thing (They got one of us who is especially gullible)

The classes seemed a bit packed; the instructor to student ratio was a bit high for my liking, but I got a lot out of the training I received, and was pretty happy with it, considering what I paid.

Had I gotten a membership, or paid full price for the class, though, I'd have been a bit annoyed; as a friend of mine got some one-on-one instruction that was of infinately higher quality for around the same listed price as the training I got from Frontsight.

May 13, 2007, 06:45 AM
Gated communities always sound better then they are. Doesn't matter who's building them. In the end they replicate NYC traffic jams.

May 13, 2007, 06:51 AM
Leave the church and religion stuff out of it.

Stick to the merits.

They are often intertwined. Front Sight does not openly advertize its connections to Scientology, and I, for one, would definitely want to know such information about an organization before handing over personal details and a wad of cash.

Many folks don't want to support Scientology in any way, shape, nor form.

So, in summary, post both info on the quality of the classes and the potentially objectionable outfits which the money may end up supporting.

May 13, 2007, 07:35 AM
Of course it's safe, it doesn't exist.

I've been to FS. The training is good, and a cert can be picked up on Ebay for ~$100. Giving much more than that to Piazza is foolish, IMO.

May 13, 2007, 10:53 AM
Moderator Note

There will be no further religion-bashing on this thread.


The association of Front Sight's founder with Scientology is well-known and a matter of public record. What you choose to do with that knowledge is up to you as individuals, but it is not discussion material for THR.

See the Code of Conduct ( each one of you agreed to abide by when you joined THR.

Any further posts about the religion will very likely result in members having their posting privileges revoked.


May 13, 2007, 10:54 AM
Is anyone else getting an echo of the Robin Williams film
"The Survivors"? Some amusing gun scenes and commentary

May 13, 2007, 03:15 PM
Pax, I hope this post is acceptable, as it contains neither bashing nor any discussion about the merits/pitfalls of any given religion.

I was just at FS last weekend for a couple classes, and it was my fourth visit there. I've spent a total of about 15 days onsite training.

I've never heard the "S" word mentioned there a single time. Not once. When one actually trains there (instead of behind a keyboard), Scientology comes up about as often as dishwasher repair. Oddly, I've never seen a post by anyone who's actually trained there that says anything to the contrary. It's just a non-issue.

The training itself, OTOH, remains excellent...although the ratio of instructors to students seems to be turning downward a bit (compared to my past visits).

May 13, 2007, 07:27 PM
$300k is about $100k cheaper than the median price in my county where most new developments sit on a 50x50' plot. That would be a bargain to lots of folks that live in areas with overinflated real estate prices.

Actually it isn't clear in the video if it is a pre-built home or just the plot itself. There seems to be enough conflict that people will (and should) do some research before plunking down life savings on an idea.

May 13, 2007, 07:36 PM
Exactly. The question is, what does that money buy? It seems it's merely a level of membership, not any actual real estate. That has scheme written all over it. I pay a $50 fee per year for my pistol/rifle range. One-on-one training can be had locally for a few hundred. Yet these folks are charging tens or hundreds of thousands, which seems way out of whack to me. It reminds me of the SoCal GSD breeder who did some basic training on the pups and sold them as "Executive Protection" dogs for ten or twenty times the going rate. Down in lala land and environs, I guess you can always find someone stupid and rich enough to fall for that sort of thing.

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