Do you think this vehicle has to stop for traffic jams?


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Oleg Volk
June 20, 2003, 07:47 PM
http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/tn3/90mmSP_s.jpg (http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/tn3/90mmSP.jpg)
90mm self-propelled cannon. Anyone got history on these?

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TallPine
June 20, 2003, 08:13 PM
Hey, the perfect rig for road hunting!

Do you suppose there could be a saboted bullet for mulies and whitetails?

Something like 180 grains at 25,000 fps ....?

:)

QuarterBoreGunner
June 20, 2003, 08:55 PM
Oleg-

I've no idea what traffic is like in Nashville... but here in the San Francisco Bay Area... oh baby. Sign me up. Slap some turn signals and brake lights on that sucker.

Art Eatman
June 20, 2003, 08:55 PM
Aw, that cannon's too noisy! Gimme a late model D-6 with a tilt blade...

:D, Art

BlackJack
June 20, 2003, 09:04 PM
Turn signals and brake lights?????

We don' NEED no stinking turn signals and brake lights!!!!!!!

Byron Quick
June 20, 2003, 09:18 PM
All your traffic jams are belong to us!

280PLUS
June 20, 2003, 09:39 PM
if it stops for traffic jams, it would only be long enough to reload...

:eek:

gun-fucious
June 20, 2003, 09:57 PM
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/UnitedStates/selfpropelledguns/selfpropelledguns.html

thats a pretty light carriage for a 90mm

The T71, M36, M36B1, M36B2

This was an attempt to install the 90mm gun in a M10. The initial test was a failure in that the gun made the vehicle unstable and the weight made for a poor ride. A large hollow bustle was designed for placement at the rear of the turret to act as counter weight to compensate for the gun. The counter weight made the vehicle a success at this point and was thus named the T71 (when based on the M10A1 chassis powered by Ford it was called a T71, it was the T71E1 when powered by GM). Vehicles returned to the factories and those already in production were upgraded to the T71 standard. In July 1944, the vehicle was standardized as the M36. In the Fall of 1944, GM began producing a variation of the M36 using the M4A3 chassis. This became known as the M36B1. The 90mm main gun could penetrate 6" of armor at 1000 yards, and with 2 rounds, penetrate 5' of concrete.

The M36 became very popular because of it's firepower and protection. This popularity resulted in it being often used in the role of a combat tank rather than just as a tank killer. The drawback was the open top. In the Spring of 1945, this was corrected and an add-on shield was issued.

Production quanities are as follows:
M36 - 1413
M36B1 - 187
M36B2 - 724

Tamara
June 20, 2003, 10:25 PM
It's probably a low-recoil 90mm, like the Cockerill or something similar.

MLH
June 20, 2003, 11:02 PM
You mean you don't own one(or two) of those?:D

Pward
June 20, 2003, 11:04 PM
90mm Self-propelled Gun M56 Scorpion1-3 M56: General
Date of first acceptance 1953
Manufacturer Cadillac Motor Car Division of General Motors Corp. Crew 4 men:
Commander on hull left rear
Gunner on hull right center
Driver on hull left center
Loader on hull right center

M56: Dimensions
Combat weight 15,750lbs
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7144kg Height over blast shield 78.9"
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200cm
Length without gun 179.4"
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455.7cm Gun overhang forward 50.4"
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128cm
Width over fenders 101.3"
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257.3cm Tread 78.0"
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198cm
Ground clearance 12.8"
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32.5cm Fire height 66.0"
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170cm
Ground pressure, zero penetration 4.2psi
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.29kg/cm²
M56: Armament
Type Mount Ammunition Traverse Elevation
90mm Gun M54 M88 on hull center 29 rounds 60°
(30° left and right
manual) +15° to -10°
(manual)
M56: Armor
None
M56: Automotive
Engine Continental AOI-402-5; 6 cylinder, 4 cycle, opposed, fuel injected gasoline
Horsepower Net: 165@3000rpm
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Gross: 200@3000rpm Torque Net: 325 ft-lb@2200rpm
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Gross: 347 ft-lb@2800 Fuel capacity 55gal
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210L
Transmission Allison CD-150-4, 2 ranges forward, 1 reverse
Steering Mechanical, steering wheel
Brakes Multiple disc
M56: Suspension
Type Road wheels Track return rollers
Torsion tube over bar at wheels 1 and 4, torsion bar at wheels 2 and 3 4 individually sprung/track with pneumatic tires Flat track
Drive sprockets Idlers Shock absorbers
15-tooth front drive Compensating at rear of track On first and last road wheels/track
M56: Track
Outside guide band type
Width 20"
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51cm Pitch 44” long sections;
4” cross bar pitch
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110cm long sections;
10cm crossbar pitch Shoes/track 8 sections/track;
88 cross bars/track Ground contact length 94"
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240cm
M56: Performance
Max level road speed 28mph
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45kph Max trench 48"
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120cm
Max grade 60% Max vertical obstacle 30"
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76cm
Min turning diameter Pivot Max fording depth 42"
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110cm
Cruising range ~140mi, roads
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~230km, roads




The M56, also known as SPAT for Self-Propelled Anti-Tank, was designed as an airborne anti-tank gun. The 90mm gun M54 was ballistically identical to and used the same ammunition as the M36 90mm gun in the M47 tank, and it was fitted with a blast deflector. The M56 was unarmored, and consisted of little more than a gun mounted on a tracked aluminum alloy carrier. There was a small blast shield fitted to the weapon, and this had a windscreen in the left side for the driver to look through. Creature comforts were nonexistent as the vehicle was completely open. The commander sat on top of the radio, and the loader's seat was on top of the right fender stowage box, leaving the gunner and driver as the only crewmen "in" the vehicle. The tires on the M56 could run flat up to 15mi (24km) at up to 15mph (24kph). The ammunition rack was located in the lower rear hull, and the loader was provided with a folding platform from which to feed the gun.


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References


Hunnicutt, R.P. Sheridan: A History of the American Light Tank, volume 2. Navato, CA: Presidio Press, 1995.
Reprinted with permission from Sheridan, R.P. Hunnicutt ©1995, available from Presidio Press, 505B San Martin Drive, Suite 160, Navato, CA 94945.

Crismon, Fred W. U.S. Military Tracked Vehicles. Osceola, WI: Motorbooks International, 1992.

next:) :D

gun-fucious
June 20, 2003, 11:18 PM
heres a little more history:
http://members.aol.com/sturmpnzr/SPAT.html

twoblink
June 20, 2003, 11:38 PM
It looks like the perfect vehicle for the 405FWY in LA, at 5pm on a Friday afternoon.

90mm huh? So I can shoot through what, 10 lowered honda civics with one shot?:D

Okiecruffler
June 21, 2003, 12:00 AM
Looks like the perfect vehicle for someone who is trying to compensate for shortcomings elsewhere. Where do I get one?

glockten
June 21, 2003, 12:40 AM
Oleg,

Is that the one in front of the American Legion post in Donelson?

4 eyed six shooter
June 21, 2003, 03:22 AM
Kinda looks like my Blazer.
Now if I could only get that gun on top.:evil:

makdaddy03
June 21, 2003, 03:25 AM
NOPE.;)

Darrin
June 21, 2003, 04:13 AM
Are those surefire's on the front or just headlights? :confused:

Moparmike
June 21, 2003, 04:24 AM
Why is the first thing I think of the movie "Goldeneye' where Q is telling 007 that he "has a license to kill, not to break the traffic laws...":D

Looks like the perfect ride for downtown Fayettenam. Like to see some socialist snotrag tell me what I cant do with that... :neener: (J/k, i would never do something like that while it was illegal...)

garrettwc
June 21, 2003, 10:32 AM
Hey cool!

Runt got some new wheels!!:D:D

El Tejon
June 21, 2003, 11:23 AM
I don't think that would work here in Orange Barrel City. The rap music and dust could still get to the crew.

I'll stick to my surplus Iraqi T-72. Never been fired and only driven to Syria in reverse.:D

Oleg Volk
June 21, 2003, 11:30 AM
Is that the one in front of the American Legion post in Donelson?

Yes, that's it.

4v50 Gary
June 21, 2003, 11:31 AM
Pward's got it right. The M36 utilized the chasis of the M10 which itself was based on the Sherman (but w/out the armor).

BTW, if you really want firepower, how about the Vespa motorscooter with the recoil-less rifle mounted on it? The ultimate for in/out drive bys.

Sven
June 21, 2003, 12:17 PM
Manufacturer Cadillac

MUCH more pimpin that an Escalade!

280PLUS
June 21, 2003, 02:16 PM
when i was in the nav they had a frigate which they had mounted an 8" gun on the bow of this otherwise lightweight ship

no matter what they did to reinforce the bow, every time they shot it off, the ship had to go in for repairs and get all the cracks welded up again,,,

wish i could remember the name of the boat,,,oh well

m

BallisticTip
June 21, 2003, 08:42 PM
I need one of those hood cannons, on my F150.

rms/pa
June 22, 2003, 10:41 AM
dat wern't no frigate,dat was uss hull dd945
8" major caliber light weight gun. as installed 75 rounds of 240 lb
enlightenment delivered without any ammo handling.
after one shoot we had a 5 degree cant on the bow. the cure was a reciprical course and the same number of rounds down range.

rms/pa
gunnersmate usn 77' to 81'.

280plus:said;
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when i was in the nav they had a frigate which they had mounted an 8" gun on the bow of this otherwise lightweight ship

no matter what they did to reinforce the bow, every time they shot it off, the ship had to go in for repairs and get all the cracks welded up again,,,

wish i could remember the name of the boat,,,oh well

m

ps:the gun was designed for a spruance class destroyer,almost twice the siz of the uss hull.

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