What memes do we need?


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Oleg Volk
May 14, 2007, 08:54 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme

a "unit of cultural information" which can propagate from one mind to another in a manner analogous to genes

Propose new memes for promoting RKBA. Self-defense is a human right is one such. Short and catchy. For this exercise, don't worry about being concise, try to be accurate.

Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six is another meme that has great currency.

What should we popularize next?

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Grump
May 14, 2007, 09:04 PM
Expanding the short one proposed:

Your right to life includes the right to equal or exceed any illegal or immoral force attempting to end that life.

And try this:
Letting an unjustified killer live or remain free is an immoral act of assisting with the next murder.

Generally, the current SCOTUS lethal force against a fleeing felon rule allows it ONLY if the felon has just recently killed, and is fleeing the scene while still armed (I believe this should include the killer still having hands if it was a bare-fisted or blunt instrument killing) and able to do it again.

Justin
May 14, 2007, 09:06 PM
I trust my fellow citizens to safely own guns.


FWIW, the fact that the antis haven't been able to get more traction out of the Virginia Tech shooting seems to be a result of the fact that we've been able to spread the meme that citizens should be allowed to defend themselves.

Gordon Fink
May 14, 2007, 09:07 PM
A meme must be self-replicating.

~G. Fink

JesseL
May 14, 2007, 09:14 PM
Prohibition doesn't work.
It didn't work for alcohol.
It's not working for drugs.
It doesn't work for guns.

JesseL
May 14, 2007, 09:25 PM
If you don't trust someone with a gun, why would you trust them:

to teach your child
to dispence medication
to operate a vehicle
with a kitchen knife
to build your home
to prepare your food
to maintain your car


???

G36-UK
May 14, 2007, 09:33 PM
How about "Misuse shouldn't be a reason to destroy proper use. That's basic common sense."?

Probably not a good one, I know, but I feel it's a good rebuttal to those who talk about "common sense" (read: irresponsible) laws like the AWB.

Byron Quick
May 14, 2007, 09:36 PM
There's one I use for folks who don't believe the 2nd Amendment means what it says:

I have a right to life. Therefore I have a right to defend my life. Thus it follows that I have a right to own the tools necessary for that defense. Firearms are the best tools developed to date for that defense. Even without the 2nd Amendment, I have a right to keep and bear arms. So does any human being, anywhere.

Bruce333
May 14, 2007, 09:50 PM
Not mine, but here's one. I just got a couple stickers from him: gun ownership is not a crime (http://gunownershipisnotacrime.org/)

DWARREN123
May 14, 2007, 09:54 PM
I shoot therefore I am!

Len S
May 14, 2007, 09:55 PM
Firearm ownership is the ultimate civilright. It protects all others.

jak
May 14, 2007, 10:07 PM
Hmmm.... The fact that this one came to me so fast has me worried I'm stealing it.... if I am, please tell me lol, and I apologize in advance

"For the Hunters and the Hunted, guns are a way to life."

The hunted being victims of crimes. Although it sounds more like it belongs on a poster. I don't know.

Rumble
May 14, 2007, 10:10 PM
I shoot therefore I am!


Or "I shoot, therefore I will be."

Hm. Not really as catchy when I write it down, though. Plus, it might backfire if used as a pro-2A argument. Still, I liked it.

Anyway...

Zak Smith
May 14, 2007, 10:33 PM
People are moral agents -- guns as tools cannot be evil.

Kaylee
May 14, 2007, 10:45 PM
Letting an unjustified killer live or remain free is an immoral act of assisting with the next murder.

That is the one I'm most behind. Perhaps it could be said more succinctly, but the essence of it is incredibly important for us to re-learn as a society I think. Sort of a retelling of "when you are kind to the cruel, you are cruel to the kind."

Neo-Luddite
May 14, 2007, 11:00 PM
Citizens who own weapons prevent Hollocaust.


(or genocide--but Hollocaust is a memetic bandwagon that keeps rolling and is a concrete reference to a moment when citizens denied arms were murdered as a result).

pax
May 14, 2007, 11:33 PM
I kind of like the "You can't beat a woman who shoots" meme. That one should get wider circulation.

"Human life is worth defending" is one of the more brilliant ones Oleg's done. Very succinct, very accurate, and very inarguable.

"Do you really want only the conservatives to have guns?" :) I tried that one on a liberal friend. I think her head nearly exploded. ("Do you really want only your enemies to be armed?" would be the more-universal way of putting it, I think.)

pax

Travis McGee
May 14, 2007, 11:36 PM
"Gun free zones" are free killing zones.

Tyranny demands a disarmed citizenry.

Travis McGee
May 14, 2007, 11:40 PM
Criminals love gun control. They prefer unarmed victims.

(Or "heart" gun control.)

Travis McGee
May 14, 2007, 11:41 PM
Gun control works. Ask Hitler, Stalin Mao or Castro.

Jeff
May 15, 2007, 12:09 AM
One meme I have been thinking about lately:

Why do we try to punish 99.99% of people because of the misdeeds of .01%?

I find such actions to be utterly irrational and unacceptable.

__________________________________________________________

Another point we need to make emphatic, because I believe we have never chosen to do so, is that at the heart of our RKBA is a sub-culture, a hobby, that is very dear and true to us. It is a big part of us-- our identification.

We need to emphasize, even emotionally, how "they" would feel if someone tried to restrict or remove their beloved hobby. We have to humanize our love, our pastime.

We have to try to get "them" to understand how they would feel if the shoe were on the other foot.

ConfuseUs
May 15, 2007, 12:20 AM
Every honest man or woman should have a gun and know how to use it.

mnrivrat
May 15, 2007, 12:41 AM
An Oath is and Oath - Defend the Bill of Rights !

ACP230
May 15, 2007, 12:52 AM
"Never part with your weapons when you are in the field..."

"Those who keep you from defending youself are not your friends."

armoredman
May 15, 2007, 12:52 AM
My first answer disappeared...strange.

"Criminals don't obey the law, by definition, so how is another one going to help?"

And of course, my siggie line.:cool:

whistler
May 15, 2007, 12:54 AM
it's not the gun it's the hand that holds it

pax
May 15, 2007, 01:01 AM
Try this one: "Why don't they just put up a sign that says no murders allowed?"

pax

toivo
May 15, 2007, 01:11 AM
Why do we try to punish 99.99% of people because of the misdeeds of .01%?
I believe that's similar to one that I've seen:

"It's the criminal, stupid."

Elmer Snerd
May 15, 2007, 03:13 AM
Saying that carrying a gun means that you are
"looking for trouble" makes about as much sense as saying that wearing a seat belt
(or having insurance) means that you are "looking for an accident".

This is not mine but IMHO it is still a good one:
"If guns cause crime, then cameras cause porn"

To ant-gun politicians and activists, your hunting rifle IS an "armor-piercing sniper rifle", your skeet gun IS a "big-bore street sweeper", your .22 semiauto IS a "rapid-fire assault weapon", and your Granpa's old .38 IS an "assault pistol". They just have not publicized these beliefs yet, so don't say that we didn't try to warn you now when it happens.

Over 99% of gun owners didn't rob, hurt, rape, or kill anyone today.

Over 90% of crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread. Support bread control!

If guns "only make things more violent" then why do the police and military carry them?

ArfinGreebly
May 15, 2007, 04:01 AM
Here's one from a while back: Gun Control Is Murder

Or another one: Guns Are Freedom

Warren
May 15, 2007, 04:26 AM
"Armed citizens are to criminals what white blood cells are to disease. So getting rid of guns because some people use them for evil would be like getting rid of WBCs because some people get leukemia."

"You won't stop evil by throwing your guns away."

"Can YOU fight back?"

"The police might take the rest of your life to arrive."

"Owning guns: It's for the children."

"Why choose to be weak?"

"Your children can't run as fast as you."

sm
May 15, 2007, 04:38 AM
Bullets fired from defensive weapons are less invasive than rape kits.

coylh
May 15, 2007, 04:53 AM
"Thank you for waiting--your call is important to us. Press one if you're in imminent danger; Press two if you have only seconds to live. Press three if you previously filed for a restraining order. Thank you. Your call will be answered in the order it was received."

jt1
May 15, 2007, 05:25 AM
What ever happened to the "shall not be infringed" part?

Chad
May 15, 2007, 06:30 AM
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

There is only one definition of "the people".

Dr. Dickie
May 15, 2007, 07:43 AM
I am armed, but not dangerous. I am armed for defense, not offense. I am a free citizen.

TCB in TN
May 15, 2007, 07:53 AM
"The police might take the rest of your life to arrive."

I love this one, and like many of the others.

Live as a freeman or die a slave.... the choice is yours.

The problem with the "American Gun Culture" is that not enough of the right Americans have guns.

Although it is not technically true I still like this one

A gun never MADE a person a criminal.

Rem700SD
May 15, 2007, 08:28 AM
Your life is your hands. Arm accordingly.

Mr White
May 15, 2007, 08:29 AM
You were put here to be a victim.

Edit:

Doh! Funny how one word can change the entire meaning of a post.

What I meant to say was...

You were not put here to be a victim.

geekWithA.45
May 15, 2007, 10:29 AM
"Having a gun is a perfectly normal, ordinary thing. What the heck's wrong with YOU?"

lee n. field
May 15, 2007, 10:30 AM
Not really a positive meme, but

"supporting gun control is on a par with supporting Jim Crow laws and Jewish quotas -- something out of the bad old days that good people would be ashamed of now."

heron
May 15, 2007, 11:05 AM
I think that for a meme to be effective, it needs to be short, the fewer words the better, for easy memorization.
I like the idea of using the word "protect," rather than "defend." Defense is a reaction to a threat, whereas protection is more proactive. For example, I might build a sturdy house to protect my family from bad weather. Subtle distinction, but the connotations are different, "defense" specifically implies an attack, "protection" doesn't.
A take-off on the Scout motto: Be armed, Be prepared.
How about, "Criminals don't wait for you to prepare [load]."

StopTheGrays
May 15, 2007, 11:26 AM
I do not know if this has been used or if something like it has been used:

Freedom is about making choices. I choose to be armed.

pax
May 15, 2007, 11:34 AM
"Support the ENTIRE Bill of Rights."

pax

ZeSpectre
May 15, 2007, 11:48 AM
"It's okay to protect yourself."


I swear I'm going to have a T-Shirt made that says that. (The picture that always flashes to mind is a dad comforting an extremely upset son after he finally stood up for himself and punched out the playground bully...you can guess who the boy was)

Microlon
May 15, 2007, 12:07 PM
"Disarmed, Freedom dies."

telkontar
May 15, 2007, 12:09 PM
While I like the sentiments, simplest and shortest is best. If I were voting on this, the medal winners are [congrats to Oleg & Pax]:

Self-defense is a human right
Human life is worth defending
Why don't they just put up a sign that says no murders allowed? [The best rational argument against gun control.]

The High Road creed boiled down to the essence: Protect the Good!

SuperNaut
May 15, 2007, 12:15 PM
My faves:

Those who beat their sword into plowshares will be ruled by those who didn't.

Gun control isn't the final goal, it is confiscation.

The Bill of Rights is not a buffet.

General Geoff
May 15, 2007, 12:48 PM
I like the short, simple ones:

Criminals prefer unarmed victims.
Live free or die.
Gun control isn't about guns; it's about control.

Gordon Fink
May 15, 2007, 12:48 PM
So far, none of these are really memes.

Here is a start:

Teach someone to shoot.

~G. Fink, who had to teach himself

The Viking
May 15, 2007, 12:58 PM
Free men can.
Slaves can't.

Oleg Volk
May 15, 2007, 01:20 PM
A good meme would contain a call to action.

armoredman
May 15, 2007, 01:24 PM
Free men rise and vote - you have nothing to lose but your trigger locks!

Sorry, I know it's flippant, but I couldn't help it.

sm
May 15, 2007, 02:04 PM
Internet: Tools of Freedom or Tyranny?
Your Choice?

pax
May 15, 2007, 02:05 PM
Oleg ~

I don't think that is accurate.

A good meme usually has an inherent course of action built into it, but a meme is not itself a call to any specific action. A meme is an idea whose time has come, which will be repeated by others because it is "obvious," and which inherently suggests a handful of inescapable correlaries.

Self-defense is a human right is a good meme. Inherent within it are certain actions that follow naturally from believing it (such as not voting against human rights, or protecting human rights) -- but the meme itself is not a call to action.

A meme is simply a contagious idea.

pax

Nio
May 15, 2007, 02:29 PM
A good meme would contain a call to action.


Not nececarily. I have read all of Dawkins' work, and a meme is simply a cultural norm or intellectual belief pattern that is propogated through generations. One cannot really invent such a thing, but from time to time they accidentally arise. Rock-n-Roll being a pretty good example...

A simple slogan - no matter how popular - doesn't fit the definition or context of a 'meme', although the action and thought process that the popularity of such a 'belief snippet' could become one. It's not enough just to think something, that something has to enter into the belief set (metaphorical world map) of an individual, who then propogates that belief through his (or her) action set.

Most of what the members have been posting are just simple slogans or ideas. They are individual thought viruses, but by themselves they are not memes.

To use my own, I have several that are all in the same context:

# A man who does not exercise his rights has no advantage over a man who has no rights.
# A man who does not vote has no advantage over a man who cannot vote.
# A man who does not own guns has no advantage over a man who cannot own them.
# Etc...

That is, really, just a slogan. That particular concept, though - that the exercise of rights is an important advantage to the individual and to society - may cause a person to assume a positive action set. They may, for instance, become very serious about voting, and through their passionate action, instill that mindset in their children, other family, neighbors, etc. It's the thought process and daily action set that must change for a meme to be successful.

Nio

kludge
May 15, 2007, 02:30 PM
When only the police have guns, you live in a police state.

MrDig
May 15, 2007, 02:30 PM
I like two of the ones I've seen above the others
They are:
"You can't beat a woman who shoots...."
This would be strategicly placed on a picture of a woman holding a silohuette, full of holes C.O.M.

Just a pic of the chalk outline that reads...
"The police may take the rest of your life to arrive."

bogie
May 15, 2007, 02:40 PM
It appears that most "gun people" are completely clueless about communication.

1) Short.

2) NO OR MINIMAL PUNCTUATION, except for ! or ?

3) Short.

4) Simple language.

5) Short.

6). Obvious theme.

7) Short.

8) Simple structure; no weird sentence stuff

For instance:

"Support Self Defense!"

Jeff
May 15, 2007, 03:17 PM
bogie,

WRONG.

Short is cute. Short is, "Brevity is the soul of wit." Short is not serious nor does it typically get people to think. Short is sloganeering, nothing more, nothing less.

meme n. A unit of cultural information, such as a cultural practice or idea, that is transmitted verbally or by repeated action from one mind to.

Ideas are what is important; getting people to think about things in different ways; teaching your opponents and making them think about things that are honest, true, and genuine.

skinnyguy
May 15, 2007, 03:31 PM
Your protection is YOUR right and responsibility, not the government's.

geekWithA.45
May 15, 2007, 03:37 PM
Folks commenting on the idea that memes needn't be slogans are correct, nor do they need to have an _explicit_ call to action. Often, the call to action is _implicit_.

Example: Sinners go to hell. (Implicit premise: Hell is bad. Implicit call to action: avoid sin. Lookup local definition of sin.)

Example: Your spiritual redemption and status in the afterlife is dependent on following the one true religion. (Implicit call to action: reject all other religions. Failing to do so risks your soul.)

Example: The king/pharoah/chieftain/emperor/ceasar is the manifestion of {insert deity} on earth. Obedience to the king/etc is obedience to god. (Implicit calls to action: obeying/disobeying the king has afterlife implications, dying in the king's service guarantees a positive afterlife outcome, etc. The judgement of the king is flawless and unquestionable, etc)



The folks making points about brevity and memorability are addressing the fact that memes are self replicating, and that these factors aid in their replication and dissemination.

ArfinGreebly
May 15, 2007, 03:37 PM
Government can only smother you, not protect you.

Axctal
May 15, 2007, 03:38 PM
Government interpriting bill of rights - Fox guarding the chickens

Do not ask for freedom to be given, nor ask permission to be free.
Claim it! For it is You RIGHT

You don't need permission to live, nor to defend yourself - it is your RIGHT

bogie
May 15, 2007, 03:40 PM
I beg to differ.

The typical gun nut's rambling manifesto has ZERO chance of receiving favorable treatment.

Sound bites, however, work.

This is the cultural and linguistic equivalent of a sound bite.

Keep it short. Keep it simple. Communicate to the lowest common denominator, and you have more of a chance of a concept being accepted by the masses.

For example, the "Bush Lied, People Died" thing is accepted as gospel by many, despite the fact that Hussein in fact possessed and used some chemical weapons, and was actively engaged in R&D around others...

Why? Because it is repeated over and over, and it's simple.

When something begins to become too complicated, it requires people to think, rather than assimilate. And sometimes this requirement to think is bad, because they then wander off into directions which you do not want them to take.

Our culture now has the collective attention span of a seven year old with ADHD... We have to adapt to that. But we can also use that.

sm
May 15, 2007, 03:43 PM
Two to the chest, one to the head
Keeps a battered women, abused child
From ending up dead.

me, going back some ~ 30 yrs in a pamphlet made for battered women, abused kids

karben17
May 15, 2007, 03:53 PM
"Failing to protect innocent life is just as evil as taking it. Guns protect."

MrDig
May 15, 2007, 03:59 PM
There are times when double entendre are fuctional due to the reader needing to choose what the statement is presenting ie
"You can't Beat a Woman who Shoots"
While somewhat vague as to what it says it forces you to ask what is being said, and by default present the idea that a person capable of defending themselves cannot be abused.

ryoushi
May 16, 2007, 12:21 PM
All your base are belong to us:neener:

ArfinGreebly
May 16, 2007, 12:35 PM
Guns don't save people; people save people.

bogie
May 16, 2007, 12:57 PM
Gun Free Zones Cause Crime

lee n. field
May 16, 2007, 12:59 PM
It appears that most "gun people" are completely clueless about communication.

1) Short.

....

8) Simple structure; no weird sentence stuff



Something suitable for a generation with a crippled attention span.

Sometimes the thoughts you need to think and communicate are complicated.

ctdonath
May 16, 2007, 01:06 PM
Bogie is right - it must be a soundbite. Once you have to start explaining something which the listener doesn't understand and is not interested in understanding, you get tuned out fast.

EMOTION is a major factor. That's how the leftists get so far with a lot of their ideas: the words convey emotion. Too often our slogans or explanations are too intellectual and dry. The idea must be short, easy to express, and carry motivating emotion.

One exploitable emotion is mild embarrassment, making the person feel not with it - but that getting "with it" is a short step. The implication is that the point is common knowledge.

Delivered deadpan:
"Of course it's loaded."
"Of course I'm armed."
"Of course they [my kids] know how to shoot."
"The homeowner shot the intruder? Good. I'm glad he was armed."
"What, you expect me to leave my gun in the car? why can't I take it in?"
"Gun owners saved N lives today."
"The attacker was stopped when someone shot him."
...and my submission to this thread's point:
"So what gun do you carry?"

Jeff
May 16, 2007, 01:12 PM
I understand what bogie is saying and there is some validity to it.

From my own personal experience, however, I typically don't appreciate slogans. In fact, my all time favorite quote is a complex multi-sentence structure which begins with a simple statement, and is explained with perfect description:

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
--C. S. Lewis

From this brilliant piece of writing can come a compressed idea which can be easily digested and disseminated through the ages. BUT WE NEED THE IDEA FIRST, and this frequently needs to be conveyed by more than 5 or 6 words.

I am more interested in enlightening fence-sitters and foes than I am of the choir.

Jeff
May 16, 2007, 01:20 PM
If I had to play short and sweet:

Guns are my hobby. Please don't restrict my hobby.

I own guns, and I'm a human just like you.

I'm a member of the 99.99% of gun owners who are law-abiding and peaceable.

Travis McGee
May 16, 2007, 01:54 PM
Bogie: +1+

Gordon Fink
May 16, 2007, 01:55 PM
For example, the “Bush Lied, People Died” thing is accepted as gospel by many.…

Why? Because it is repeated over and over, and it’s simple.

And it also happens to be true in general effect if not in specific detail, though I doubt the slogan made any difference on opinions about the war.

Geek was on the right track when he mentioned religion. Christianity is a perfect example of a successful meme. Not only does it provide rewards and punishments, but it also encourages proselytization.

~G. Fink

enc0re
May 16, 2007, 02:02 PM
Guns are the Price of Freedom.

Travis McGee
May 16, 2007, 02:05 PM
Free Men May Own Guns. Slaves May Not.

CCMO
May 16, 2007, 02:15 PM
The very FIRST American unalienable right is the right to (preserve my) Life!

sm
May 16, 2007, 02:23 PM
Threatened to be shot and killed - Shoot first to stop the immediate threat.

Immunize against vaginal invasion with Lead booster shots.


Be the firstest with the mostest -Gen. Bedford Forrest.


Oath of a Free Person is stronger than the lies of Gov't

Did you trade a walk on part in the war; for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd

Axctal
May 16, 2007, 02:29 PM
Mostly to O. Volk:

picture idea based on some prevoius posts:

from left to right:

picture of vaccine (syringe, vaccine bottle below)
with the text below: against XXX

(XXX) is some well-known deadly-in-the-past disease

Repeat couple of times for different XXX

Then picture of gun (analogue of syringe)
few bullets (analogue of vaccine bottles)
Text: against vaginal intrusions and other predators.
Apply to the external threat only.


Well, you welcome to modify it at will of course.

ArfinGreebly
May 16, 2007, 02:51 PM
And I think I'll amend mine:
Guns don't save people; people with guns save people.

geekWithA.45
May 16, 2007, 02:55 PM
Geek was on the right track when he mentioned religion. Christianity is a perfect example of a successful meme. Not only does it provide rewards and punishments, but it also encourages proselytization.

Indeed I am. ;)

But seriously, there were two reasons I studied religions. One was the search for divinity. The other was to study what made them successful.

All religions share a cocktail of memes that:

* Reinforce definitive sources of authority, usually a text (how else can you discern the believer from the unbeliever?)
* Encourage a base code of behavior (ie: don't kill, etc)
* Add an arbitrary code of behavior on top of that (ie funny hats/diets/whatever)
* Promise punishment or reward, usually in the unverifiable afterlife
* Innoculate the believer against competing belief sets
* Promote the distribution of the belief set

Furthermore, most but not all have memes that

*Justify an organizational heirarchy (or in some cases, flat structure)
*Encourage the contribution of money, goods and services to the organizational heirarchy
* Relegate "correct" interpretation of the definitive source text to certain members of the organizational heirarchy



Memes are much more complex than slogans. Slogans are delivery mechanisms, nothing more. The meme is the payload, and usually more complex than the slogan that delivered it.

ryoushi
May 16, 2007, 03:05 PM
register this!

ryoushi
May 16, 2007, 03:08 PM
citizen or subject?

coylh
May 16, 2007, 06:26 PM
Four out of five Governments polled
prefer a defenseless population!

Roccobro
May 16, 2007, 10:22 PM
Law abiding gun owners are cop's dream clients. They obey all laws, and rarely need assistance.

I choose not to be a victim.

Be prepared. Your attacker is.

Protecting the right to life and liberty is reason for the 2nd amendment.

Lawful CCW was never evil, just outlawed for a short while.

Is wanting to protect life wrong?


Justin

denfoote
May 17, 2007, 03:15 AM
How about "Terrorism, not guns, kill".

ArfinGreebly
May 17, 2007, 04:22 AM
Another
Be armed; the police need all the help they can get.

qdemn7
May 17, 2007, 05:26 AM
There are two kinds of people.
Those that believe in Individual Freedom.
Those that don't.
Which kind are you?

Oh yeah, this one isn't gun related but I like it anyway.

Vivisect Animal Rights Activists.

Waitone
May 17, 2007, 07:06 AM
Call it a meme. Call it a slogan. Theologians (some) call it propositional thought. In any case it is a complete thought expressing a truth in an easily remembered form which in the best sense leave the reader with questions.

Guns are not free moral agents.
More kids drown in 5 gallon buckets than are killed by guns. Why no drive for bucket control?
The problem at Virginia Tech was there was one gun too few.
Why do politicians fear armed citizens?

Isildur
May 17, 2007, 07:54 AM
If you don't trust someone with a gun, why would you trust them:

* to teach your child
* to dispence medication
* to operate a vehicle
* with a kitchen knife
* to build your home
* to prepare your food
* to maintain your car
I think that's a really good argument. Most of the memes quoted here sound perfectly reasonable to me but would certainly be rejected by most anti-gun folks. This one could not be so easily rejected by those folks because they do trust someone to teach their child etc.

Maybe "911 or 1911"(see my signature) could also be used in some way.

geekWithA.45
May 17, 2007, 11:52 AM
Re: banning autoloaders: Shouldn't citizens have access to guns designed in the last 100 years?

Dr. Dickie
May 17, 2007, 12:06 PM
It's your life, you have a right to defend it!


What else is there?

kludge
May 17, 2007, 01:33 PM
Simpler, more to the point...

"If you don't trust your kid's teachers to carry a gun...

Why do you trust them to educate your child?"




The problem at Virginia Tech was there was one gun too few.

I like that a lot!

How about...

"If you don't trust your kid's teachers to carry a gun...

Why do you trust them to educate your child?

The problem at Virginia Tech was there was one gun too few."

armedandsafe
May 17, 2007, 01:38 PM
SAF bumper sticker on FirstInLine's car:

A Woman with a Gun
Has More Fun

Self Defense tools:
Fire Extiguisher
First Aid Kit
Smoke Detector
Cell Phone
Seat Belt
Booster Seat
Smith & Wesson

Pops

Texfire
May 17, 2007, 01:41 PM
Not really a meme, but intended to provoke thought.

"9 out of 10 criminals prefer gun free zones."

Tex

kludge
May 17, 2007, 01:43 PM
More:

Had the right student at Virginia Tech had a gun...

there may have been only one death.

Or possibly none.

My life is worth more than your policy.

I carry a handgun at college.

or less wordy...

My life is worth more than your no-gun policy.

geekWithA.45
May 17, 2007, 02:26 PM
My life trumps your no-gun policy.
My life trumps your irrational fear of guns.
My life trumps your gun bigotry.

My life is worth more than your B.S.

bclark1
May 17, 2007, 02:29 PM
I've never liked "tried by twelve or carried by six." I think it sends a lot of wrong messages. A good shoot ideally shouldn't involve a trial, and you don't want to create the perception that someone who righteously defends themself need be vindicated of anything.

ilcylic
May 19, 2007, 02:29 PM
The idea that the roots of gun control are racist is one that seems like it shoul catch pretty well, these days.

wjustinen
May 21, 2007, 01:09 AM
The 2nd Amendment. It's about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

The successful formula for confiscation: convince a large segment of the population that guns are too dangerous for self-defense, then ban them on the basis that an item that is too dangerous to use to protect life is certainly too dangerous to play with.

It worked in England and Australia, and Canada will soon reach that point unless the "recreational firearms community" wakes up to the fact.

sm
May 21, 2007, 01:26 AM
Take your kid shooting to preserve Freedom
Before the Gov't indoctrinates your kid with Tyranny

wjustinen
May 21, 2007, 01:27 AM
Police don't need guns, they have armed citizens to protect them

Not quite as ridiculous as the other way around.

Warren
May 21, 2007, 03:19 AM
I've been having a problem condensing this so I'll just throw it out there:

Despite my hyper individualist leanings I believe it is time to stop looking at evil doers as individuals who make evil choices. Instead we should look upon evil as a natural force that could strike anywhere or anytime. So a person needs to have the means to fight evil everywhere and at all times.

Instead of worrying about the who, what, where, when and how of evil we need to be prepared to stop it when it shows itself. No more hand wringing about "how can someone do SUCH a thing?!?!?!" Who cares, just be ready to fight. No more introspection, no more "understanding", evil people are not worth the effort.

And I am not implying evil folk are not to blame for their actions, they certainly are. Evil people still need to be seperated from the rest of us by being placed in a confined space made either of steel and concrete or wood and faux satin.

I'm still not sure I got the point across, if so I apologize.

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