Michael DeBose (D-Cleveland) Changes mind on CCW


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FieroCDSP
May 15, 2007, 10:07 AM
I picked this up on ohioccw.org. I think it's a revealing piece that those who realize their safety is on the line understand our 2A rights, and are likely to change their Anti ways.

http://www.ohioccw.org/content/view/3873/83/

Ohio Rep Becomes Pro-Gun after Armed Attack
Written by Mike Kinsey
Tuesday, 15 May 2007

The Cleveland Plain Dealer is reporting that State Representative Michael DeBose (D-Cleveland) is seeking an Ohio Concealed Handgun License after twice voting against the concealed carry laws that were passed in 2004.

Unfortunately, like many people, it took the survival of a violent attack for Rep. DeBose to understand the importance of the innate right guaranteed by the Ohio Constitution: "The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security."
The loud muffler on a car that slowly passed as he was finishing the walk caught his attention, though. When the car stopped directly in front of his house - three houses from where he stood - he knew there was going to be a problem.

"There was a tall one and a short one," DeBose said, sipping on a McDonald's milkshake and recounting the experience Friday.

"The tall one reached in his pocket and pulled out a silver gun. And they both started running towards me."

"At first I just backed up, but then I turned around and started running and screaming."
It is a terrible fact of life that we live in a society that includes dangerous people willing to rob and murder law-abiding citizens. Thankfully, this criminal chose not to fire and take Representative DeBose's life as he was running away.

Hopefully, more and more people throughout our state and in our Statehouse will realize the importance of self-defense and follow in the footsteps of Representative DeBose in supporting Ohio's very successful concealed carry laws so that others may have the chance to not have their life ended by the whims of a crazed, armed robber.

Representative DeBose now realizes that:
"I was wrong," he said Friday.

"I'm going to get a permit and so is my wife.

"I've changed my mind. You need a way to protect yourself and your family.

"I don't want to hurt anyone. But I never again want to be in the position where I'm approached by someone with a gun and I don't have one."

DeBose said he knows that a gun doesn't solve Cleveland's violence problem; it's merely a street equalizer.

"There are too many people who are just evil and mean-spirited. They will hurt you for no reason. If more people were packing guns, it might serve as a deterrent.

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30 cal slob
May 15, 2007, 10:11 AM
Amen.

Shear_stress
May 15, 2007, 10:16 AM
I love it. Yet another politician who had to be personally affected in order to fully understand an issue. Newsflash: maybe "common sense" gun control isn't.

I guess I can give him credit for changing his mind.

romma
May 15, 2007, 10:18 AM
Wow! This needs to hit all the wires as an example of realization and an awakening to reality!

MeanStreaker
May 15, 2007, 10:29 AM
We had someone on the Board of Directors for Ohioans For Concealed Carry contact his office this morning and offer to train him, his wife, and any other interested legislators at cost (range time in the area).

His office seemed receptive to the idea. :)

Rumble
May 15, 2007, 10:33 AM
I'm sorry he had to see it personally for it to mean anything, but I commend him not only for changing his mind, but for avoiding weaseling on the reasons--he didn't say, "Well, as a public figure, I think it's legitimate," or "with a clear and immediate justification, I think exceptions could be made." He just said, "I was wrong."

That's classy, in my book.

Old Fuff
May 15, 2007, 10:49 AM
It's always nice when a big-city Democrat sees the light. Hopefully his story will make the rounds in the Ohio Statehouse. Now if he can convert some of his party members... :evil:

Iggy
May 15, 2007, 10:53 AM
I am surprised he didn't demand body guards be provided at the taxpayer's expense.

I compliment him on recognizing and assuming responsibility for his and his family's protection.

ghschirtz
May 15, 2007, 11:09 AM
This is why Bloomberg, Pelosi and Feinstein, among others, will never change their view. They have millions to spend on all the private protection they could ever want. While they disarm us, they are at no risk of doing any of the bleeding that comes of their decisions. That is for us to do.

Enjoy the cake, people, since there is no bread.

hackman127
May 15, 2007, 11:13 AM
I'll give him this: It takes a man to admit that he ran away screaming...

romma
May 15, 2007, 11:35 AM
I'll give him this: It takes a man to admit that he ran away screaming... When your lights are possibly about to be put out once and for all, why not scream if you want? I know with the couple of close calls I've had, I didn't scream, but would not blame someone for doing so if it gave them comfort or even thought it might help them somehow ..

pax
May 15, 2007, 12:15 PM
I'm sorry he had to see it personally for it to mean anything, but I commend him not only for changing his mind, but for avoiding weaseling on the reasons--he didn't say, "Well, as a public figure, I think it's legitimate," or "with a clear and immediate justification, I think exceptions could be made." He just said, "I was wrong."

That's classy, in my book.

This bears repeating!

pax

Daps
May 15, 2007, 12:18 PM
I've been in gun debates on another forum and this one guy, real smart guy just doesn't see the need for guns. I told him I hope you never become one of those guys that are against guns until they've got one pointed at them and then decide to go out and buy a gun to not be afraid again.

romma
May 15, 2007, 12:49 PM
An incredible testament from an immediate convert nonetheless. This is a classic example for debates with Antis we can use...

Awesome cannon fodder!

hackman127
May 15, 2007, 03:40 PM
When your lights are possibly about to be put out once and for all, why not scream if you want? I know with the couple of close calls I've had, I didn't scream, but would not blame someone for doing so if it gave them comfort or even thought it might help them somehow ..
I can totally understand that, and may have done the same in the same situation, but to admit it... That's all I'm saying. :rolleyes:

SaxonPig
May 15, 2007, 05:56 PM
Somebody once said that a Republican is a Democrat who has been mugged.

Ghengis Kahn
May 15, 2007, 06:05 PM
another vote for the 2a!

Mannlicher
May 16, 2007, 12:39 PM
DeBose is a socialist. Right after he cleans his jeans, he will be back to working on Anti Gun legislation.
Oh don't get me wrong, HE wants a gun for HIMSELF , but he still won't trust an 'average citizen' to own a gun.

Henry Bowman
May 16, 2007, 01:39 PM
DeBose is a socialist. Lots of them in Northern Ohio.

Right after he cleans his jeans, he will be back to working on Anti Gun legislation. Oh don't get me wrong, HE wants a gun for HIMSELF , but he still won't trust an 'average citizen' to own a gun.Perhaps. But let's wait and see if he "back-slides." If he does, we will hold him accountable. This also may be the first step in a long journey of revelation for him.

ArfinGreebly
May 16, 2007, 03:28 PM
Looks like yet another person has learned that you might as well carry a gun, since you can't carry a policeman.

romma
May 16, 2007, 03:33 PM
Let's wait and see... Plenty of folks (not necessarily politicians) have seen the light.

Spot77
May 16, 2007, 03:34 PM
Originally Posted by Rumble
I'm sorry he had to see it personally for it to mean anything, but I commend him not only for changing his mind, but for avoiding weaseling on the reasons--he didn't say, "Well, as a public figure, I think it's legitimate," or "with a clear and immediate justification, I think exceptions could be made." He just said, "I was wrong."

That's classy, in my book.

This bears repeating!

pax

And it requires some nice letters and emails to the fella' to let him know how glad we are that he's safe, and how we respect his decision to vocally admit he was wrong.

GhostlyKarliion
May 16, 2007, 03:47 PM
-wipes tear from eye- that makes me so happy!

and, I have another piece to use when discussing the topic with antis.

sweet.

Geronimo45
May 16, 2007, 04:02 PM
DeBose said he knows that a gun doesn't solve Cleveland's violence problem; it's merely a street equalizer.
I think he gets it. A handful of people CCing may or may not reduce crime statewide - what it does do, most definitely, is give those people a way to fight back effectively.

Glad he's seen the light - and very glad that he survived that attack.

fletcher
May 16, 2007, 04:05 PM
Now if he can convert some of his party members...

DeBose's conversion was good, being a politician, but that would make a big difference.

MeanStreaker
May 16, 2007, 04:24 PM
A handful of people CCing may or may not reduce crime statewide - what it does do, most definitely, is give those people a way to fight back effectively.

Very true. I usually word what you put above as, "There are statistics that lead us to believe concealed carry lowers crime rates in society. However, even if it doesn't, it still gives me the chance to positively influence the most important crime rate of all -- the murder rate of me and my family."

MeanStreaker
May 17, 2007, 11:51 PM
Representative DeBose is scheduled to appear on NRANews' flagship program Cam & Company on Friday (May 18). No time has been given yet, but it will be archived until Monday's live broadcast.

Tune in to www.NRANews.com to listen live from 9-midnight EST.

Dienekes
May 18, 2007, 01:20 AM
My boss was the victim of an armed robbery. A very good man, and he felt particularly foolish because he was authorized to carry a service weapon but had no real daily need to do so and didn't have one along. We did sort of a debriefing over the matter and it was something of a "come to Jesus" session. Not long after he made it a point to go to a Calibre Press street survival seminar. He also made it possible for all the firearms instructors to go to Gunsite.

Upshot was that it was a real lesson, if humiliating. Any one who suffers through something like this and is willing to learn from it and change has my sympathy--and respect. I would rather have someone like that on my side than some blowhard internet ninja...

This man deserves credit for being a witness to some hard truth.

Monkeyleg
May 18, 2007, 02:09 AM
I hope that his conversion is real.

Back in 2005, Wisconsin Democrat state Representative Mary Hubler was attacked after a late-night legislative session.

I don't think she learned the same lesson.

She offered her vote in exchange for the adoption of her amendment, which was nothing more than a poison pill intended to make us kill our bill.

If a conservative is simply just a liberal who's been mugged, then what is she?

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