Delayed for 1st time in 7 years. Yikes!?


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FunYet
May 15, 2007, 06:21 PM
I've been shooting for almost 7 years. I got delayed for the 1st time in my life today while making a purchase. Over the years I've bought a lot of guns. I've also sold and traded a lot of guns to fund new purchases. I buy something, get bored with it or find I don't like it, sell it....sort of recycling my money. It's one of my hobbies. Every firearms transaction that I've made has been by the book, 150% legal.

I've been given 3 possible explanations for the delay; 1) I'm on record "somewhere" as buying too many guns, 2) something about me popped up in the NICS database, I'm likely to be approved but should expect to be delayed from this point forward, 3) none of the above, it's just a fluke.

:cuss:

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JohnBT
May 16, 2007, 11:52 AM
Who knows, I've been buying guns since 1972 and I've been delayed 3 out of the past 6. They all went through in an hour or two.

John

eric.cartman
May 16, 2007, 12:01 PM
if it's because you're buying too many guns, that it's a sad state of affairs. i think they destroy the record at NICS after 24 or 48 hours. so unless you're buying them that often, its'n not it.

Walkalong
May 16, 2007, 12:04 PM
They always say, "just a minute" on mine and then it goes through. I have bought 7 or 8 handguns in the last 6 to 8 weeks and so far so good.

I was in a revolver mood and my "gun stuff" kitty was fat. (was fat, now it's downright anemic) :)

Picknlittle
May 16, 2007, 12:08 PM
I had a similar experience last fall. The TBI was given my SSN, address, and all sorts of other info, and because I share my birth date with two other fella, in other parts of the state and share my last name, I had to prove I was not them by contacting a sheriff's dept. who'd never met me.

I thought this was just plain hilarious,...insulting, but hilarious in a "what are these fruitcakes doing?" kind of way. :)

ZeSpectre
May 16, 2007, 12:10 PM
I was delayed for the first time just recently but was told it was due to computer trouble not any question about me personally.

BigSoundRacing
May 16, 2007, 12:12 PM
My experiences....

My purchases are always bounced up to a supervisor, because of my name which is "initials only".

So we have learned to make the calls early in the morning on the West coast, so that we catch the supervisor back at their desk shortly after lunch. Any other time and the purchase goes on hold, until we call in again while the supervisor is at their desk.

Be safe, BSR

Benelli_Bbl
May 16, 2007, 12:42 PM
Delayed for 1st time in 7 years. Yikes!?

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I've been shooting for almost 7 years. I got delayed for the 1st time in my life today while making a purchase. Over the years I've bought a lot of guns. I've also sold and traded a lot of guns to fund new purchases. I buy something, get bored with it or find I don't like it, sell it....sort of recycling my money. It's one of my hobbies. Every firearms transaction that I've made has been by the book, 150% legal.

I've been given 3 possible explanations for the delay; 1) I'm on record "somewhere" as buying too many guns, 2) something about me popped up in the NICS database, I'm likely to be approved but should expect to be delayed from this point forward, 3) none of the above, it's just a fluke.



Feedback?

Thanks

It's NOT because you have gotten to many guns. It could be someone with similar height.weight.social.name has recently gotten into trouble, if thats the case be prepared everytime from now on. My guess, however, is that the person doing the check is just a dataminer. Someone who puts your info in but has no say in yes or no. They seem to do this with new hires.

Clipper
May 16, 2007, 01:16 PM
First time in 7 years? Shoot, I get delayed 80+% of the time, and since I haven'y gotten an immediate proceed in the last half-dozen straight, the percentage just keeps increasing...

GRIZ22
May 16, 2007, 01:17 PM
Delayed could also mean the person running the checks needs to use the rest room. If you don't have a very common name the correct answer to your question is #3, fluke.

I don't have a common name and have been delayed for about 15 minutes. I asked my dealer about thsi and he told me it happens. He told me he had a State Police Sargeant that works at the NICS section come back delayed and had to wait 30 minutes.

Will5A1
May 16, 2007, 01:47 PM
I believe your FFL should have given you a little brochure, something along the lines of the "Gun Buyers Resolution Guide" or some such title published by the ATF/NICS folks along with the control number for the delay. IIRC the brochure spells out the procedure for requesting, in writing, the reasons why the NICS examiner decided to delay you. Every time I buy a gun I always get "bounced up" to the supervisor level, as soon as the supervisor gets my info a proceed is issued. I'd love to know why I always get bounced up, but as I understand it until I actually get a delay I can't request the reason. I wouldn't take it as a personal affront, but you should probably try to get the reason and then get that resolved.

foob
May 16, 2007, 01:55 PM
I've never been not delayed :cuss: luckily never been rejected too. But that's why I love private party FTF.

Hanzerik
May 16, 2007, 02:09 PM
Never been delayed, other then the waiting periods in those states that had them. Last four NICS checks took all of about a minute each and out the door I went with my new firearm. Should go smoother once I get my CWP, no check needed then.

Tin Gizel
May 16, 2007, 02:25 PM
I got delayed for 3 hrs on my last one. Turns out my security clearence had expired earlier that week. No fact behind this, just what we all came up with as the best explanation. The dealer I was at said that sometimes it just happens, security clearances expiring were the two best explanations he had to offer.

davera
May 16, 2007, 02:55 PM
I've been delayed a few times - but not lately. From what I can tell, my purchases have to go past the first level to a second level person who looks a little deeper to find that I have not broken (many) laws in the past 34 years.
("youthful experimentation" violation in 1973)

03Shadowbob
May 16, 2007, 03:02 PM
I got delayed recently, was told it was a CNA or some term like conditional non approval. More and more my local gun dealer has said he has been receiving these on people. Not sure why though. It took about 4 hours for it to come back clean.

Ala Dan
May 16, 2007, 03:08 PM
I have been buying firearms since the summer of 1969, with NO problem;
and I have NEVER been delayed. Might be cuz of my (former) LEO status,
or the fact that I always provide my social security number~? ;) :D

Thats a personal identification number which is optional; but I have NO
problem with that, as the FED's have it anyway. Heckfire, they can get
it off of anyone's federal tax (1040) form; so why not comply with the
4473~? :scrutiny: :)

GhostlyKarliion
May 16, 2007, 04:19 PM
Not been delayed to date, however not that many dealer purchases either. See if it happens again and if it doesn't, it was probably a fluke, if it does then I'd get the ATF on the line and ask why you were delayed.

JohnBT
May 16, 2007, 04:26 PM
"I always provide my social security number"

I do too.

Maybe if I'd quit buying guns at 4 p.m. on the day before Thanksgiving or late Saturday afternoon there wouldn't be a delay.

John

03Shadowbob
May 16, 2007, 04:28 PM
I am ex LEO also and always put the SS# on the forms.

trickyasafox
May 16, 2007, 04:40 PM
i put my ss because i have a cousin with the exact same name, and i don't want it to be an issue. it's caused drama at the hospital, so im guessing it will also elsewhere in my life

while using my SS, i've never had a problem.

Im283
May 16, 2007, 05:06 PM
I bought a milsurp rifle Monday and was delayed about 30 minutes.
The dealer said the lady he was speaking to said she was new and the puters were running slow. I was sure glad it went through as I had driven over an hour to get to this gun shop. It was a little nerve wracking standing around waiting for Big Brother to call back.

What I figured was that I had reached my limit on gun purchases before red flags and buzzers pop off, I am not paranoid though ;)

Yakko
May 16, 2007, 07:14 PM
I was delayed for three days on the last one I bought. I left off my SSN.
Every other purchase I've done I included it and was never delayed.

Cpl Nobbs
May 16, 2007, 08:18 PM
the joys of haveing a CCW and haveing that accepted instead of a NICS check

PistolNewbie
May 16, 2007, 08:39 PM
I was delayed last year in getting my Iowa purchase permit for almost 2 weeks when it usually takes 3 or 4 days. My life is about as clean as it gets, but my sons isn't. He was involved in a serious federal drug charge mess and his name was attatched to our address, so I'm sure I was run through the mill! :fire: Have any of you ever raised (or tried to raise) one of these children from hell? :evil: Just wondering. This year I had the permit again in 3 days. :D

FunYet
May 16, 2007, 11:08 PM
the joys of having a CCW and having that accepted instead of a NICS check

I'm pretty sure usin my CCW permit as ID would not make a difference in Ohio, but I'm not sure. I always include my SS#.

Update: I was cleared within a couple of hours. Got a call telling me my paperwork had gone through. It will be interesting to see if I do get delayed from now on.

FXWG
May 16, 2007, 11:20 PM
Luckily for me, I am the one and only person with my
name in the whole U.S. of A. Added to that is the fact
that I have maintained a security clearance since 1980.:D

swingpress
May 17, 2007, 12:08 AM
We were in a neighboring state on vacation and stopped by a gun shop on the way home. I waited a few hours for NICS on a Browning Safari before I had to give up on it. Too bad. I wish I had that gun.

I lost any sympathy I might have had for NICS that day.

FieroCDSP
May 17, 2007, 12:37 AM
I see no problem providing my SSN on the form. By law the completed forms have to be under lock and key, and they have my numbers anyway. Should any ID theft occur at the retail level by a moron employee that somehow gets access to them, I'm sure the Feds would have a field day going through the books to find federal charges they can use on them.

230RN
May 17, 2007, 02:24 AM
My purchases are always bounced up to a supervisor, because of my name which is "initials only".

Reminds of the story of the guy whose name was R.B. Jones. He always had trouble with that on applications and so forth, so he finally started putting R.(only) B.(only) Jones on stuff, and sure enough, half the time it would end up coming out as Ronly Bonly Jones.

(CUE RIMSHOT)

Anyhow, a guy I know got denied and after he cleared it up, every time he went through a dealer, he'd provide a copy of the release letter from the State Bureau of Investigation with the case numbers, etc. on it. Sped things up quite a bit.

I too have heard that delays are more common now.

GRIZ22
May 17, 2007, 02:52 AM
Turns out my security clearence had expired earlier that week

I have maintained a security clearance since 1980.

What do security clearances have to do with NICS?

Zen21Tao
May 17, 2007, 07:36 AM
I have also bought many many guns (so many that I consider myself an amateur collector) and the only time I've ever been delayed has been due to computer problems on the part of the NIC system (high call volume, systems down, etc.).

trickyasafox
May 17, 2007, 12:08 PM
if your in NYS it doesn't matter if you kept up on your nics. I was one of the last people to get the 5 year nics piece of paper, now they just background check every firearm purchase anyway.

the only time it saves me anything is my C&R on mil-surp rifles. pistols still need to be called in.

Tin Gizel
May 17, 2007, 03:45 PM
Turns out my security clearence had expired earlier that week

I have maintained a security clearance since 1980.

What do security clearances have to do with NICS?

I have NO idea, just what the gentlemen behind the counter said.

Il Duca
May 17, 2007, 03:56 PM
I've been delayed before. Turns out there's a guy with the same name running around wanted for attempted murder or some such. Now I give my social on the app and no delays.

oldfart
May 17, 2007, 04:17 PM
After reading through all these messages I have to wonder why ANYBODY would want to "improve" NICS. From what I see here, I would think we would be much better off if the system became so inefficient it would finally break down completely, as did Canada's registration scam. It obviously doesn't do a very good job of keeping guns out of the hands of bad guys, re: the recent VT massacre and most of the prior mass killings. But then it wasn't supposed to protect us, was it?

Plink
May 17, 2007, 04:25 PM
There are a number of causes for a delay. Sometimes the system is just slow. I remember a few years back when everyone was getting delayed. Before I got my CHL, I was always getting delayed, despite the fact that I've never been in any trouble with the law.

slewfoot
May 17, 2007, 06:00 PM
Your name may be on a terrorist list. Don't laugh. It happened to Ted Kennedy and it took him three weeks to straighten it out. A typo on the "do not fly" list could cause all kinds of problems. Most people do not fly regularly and have no idea that their name is on the list by mistake.

This is the essence of the new gun legislation sponsored by Sen. Lautenberg. He does not want to allow terrorists to buy guns. How does the government know who the terrorists are? Simple, they check those pesky computer printouts that were complied by some affirmative action government bureaucrat and proof read by his simple minded brother in law.

cpaspr
May 17, 2007, 06:20 PM
the joys of having a CCW and having that accepted instead of a NICS check

We used to have that too, till the state figured out that it was missing out on the $10 fee for all of those transactions. Then they got rid of that waiver, and now we all get to be processed (and pinched) the same. :mad:

brerrabbit
May 17, 2007, 07:15 PM
I go along with oldfart.

I doubt if the NICS check has helped reduce crime noticable. It is a feelgood measure aimed for the sole of making gun owners more and more accustomed to restrictions and hoops for exercising a basic freedom.

CajunBass
May 17, 2007, 08:17 PM
I think I get delayed about every time I buy a gun. I've got a pretty common name which I think is what causes it. Never been denied, or told I was "delayed," it just seems to take anywhere from 20 minutes to so long I got tired of waiting and went on to work and came back the next day to pick up the gun. (That was the weekend before Christmas and the system was just swamped I was told.) My wife on the other hand get's approved before the clerk gets off the phone.

Go figure.

foob
May 17, 2007, 08:21 PM
Never been denied, or told I was "delayed," it just seems to take anywhere from 20 minutes to so long I got tired of waiting and went on to work and came back the next day to pick up the gun.

Shouldn't they tell you while on the phone whether you are delayed? Never been held up for 20 minutes or longer before.

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