MSNBC "worst person in the world"


May 16, 2007, 08:57 PM
MSNBC was on, i wasnt watching it. but some windbag was nameing off the "worst people in the world" . #3 was a 10 month old boy whos grand father had given a shotgun to, and his father got him an ( illinois?) FOID
number 2 was a blind man who was denied a LTC in his home state because he was blind, 2 neighboring states gave him one

how does being a young gun owner or a blind gun owner make them "the worst people in the world"

MSNBC makes me sick right now

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May 16, 2007, 09:02 PM
heres the 10 month old story
Bubba can't walk or talk -- but has has his very own gun permit
Associated Press
May. 15, 2007 06:35 PM

CHICAGO - Bubba Ludwig can't walk, talk or open the refrigerator door - but he does have his very own Illinois gun permit.

The 10-month-old, whose given name is Howard David Ludwig, was issued a firearm owner's identification card after his father, Howard Ludwig, paid the $5 fee and filled out the application, not expecting to actually get one.

The card lists the baby's height (2 feet, 3 inches), weight (20 pounds) and has a scribble where the signature should be.

With some exceptions, the cards are required of any Illinois residents purchasing or possessing firearms or ammunition within the state. There are no age restrictions on the cards, an official said.

Illinois State Police oversee the application process. Their purpose, said Lt. Scott Compton, is to keep guns out of the hands of convicted felons, those under an order of protection and those convicted of domestic violence.

"Does a 10-month-old need a FOID card? No, but there are no restrictions under the act regarding age of applicants," he said.

Ludwig, 30, of Chicago, applied for the card after his own father bought Bubba a 12-gauge Beretta shotgun as a gift. The weapon will probably be kept at Ludwig's father's house until the boy is at least 14.

heres the blind man story
Blind Man With Gun Permit Says Don’t Worry
(AP) Fargo, N.D. A blind man who has concealed weapons permits in North Dakota and Utah says he's not a danger to society, even though he can't see the gun he's shooting.

Carey McWilliams, 33, says he has followed all the required rules, and he wants Minnesota to join other states that have granted him a concealed weapons permit. He says he was rejected first by a Minnesota county sheriff and then by a judge in that state.

"I'm trying to prove a point that people without sight still can carry (a gun) because brains are more important than eyesight in securing public safety," McWilliams said. "The shooter at Virginia Tech had really good eyesight and he killed 32 people."

Bill Bergquist, the Clay County, Minn., sheriff, said he felt bad about denying a permit for McWilliams.

"He's a super nice guy," Bergquist said. "But the application states that a person should be able to show proficiency on the firing range and a proficiency of the weapons. That's the issue.

"Sometimes I have to ask myself, what is right in this case? I felt when I denied it, he could have his day in court."

McWilliams said he completed the required class and shooting exercise by Paul Horvick, a National Rifle Association instructor. Horvick said he believes gun rights are private and would not comment on anyone he has taught or tested. Documents on Minnesota weapons hearings are sealed.

McWilliams said he uses special low-range, hollow-point bullets that are effective only in tight quarters.

"If I use a gun it will be at point-blank range, period," he said. "A sighted shooter is probably more dangerous because they can see something scary and pull their gun in haste."

Under Minnesota law, an applicant must be issued a license for a gun or a concealed weapon if he or she completes the class and shooting exercise and passes a background check -- unless "there exists a substantial likelihood that the applicant is a danger to self or the public if authorized to carry a pistol under permit."

McWilliams believes Minnesota officials have violated his constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

"It's nobody business that I'm blind," he said.

McWilliams lives in a Fargo trailer park with his wife, Victoria. One of their neighbors, Jon Storley, accompanied McWilliams during his appeal to the Minnesota district court.

"He's not a nut, he's not a weirdo, he's not a freak," said Storley, a cab driver and rock musician. "I'm not a lawyer, but in this case I believe the judge was legislating from the bench."

Storley also said he doesn't blame Bergquist and Kirk for their decisions, calling the case "a kettle of worms."

Oddly enough, the permit McWilliams obtained from the state of Utah is recognized in 30 other states -- including Minnesota. McWilliams said he had to complete a "firearms familiarity course" before receiving the Utah license.

"Basically they just passed around a couple of guns," McWilliams said.

McWilliams, who got his North Dakota permit in 2001, testified during the 2005 North Dakota legislative session against a proposal to drop the written part of the concealed weapons test. He told lawmakers it would allow people who are ignorant about firearm regulations to get permits. The test was eliminated.

The Legislature also decided to individual information about weapons permits confidential, said Liz Brocker, spokeswoman for the attorney general's office.

"All I can tell you is the total number of permits that have been issued," she said. The state has issued 8,030 permits, she said.

McWilliams lost his eyesight when he was 10 years old, after a series of headaches and gradual deterioration. It was a mystery to doctors.

He said he was a victim of domestic violence growing up and was stalked by gang members. "I've had situations where I would have felt threatened if I hadn't been carrying," he said.

McWilliams has written two books, including an autobiography published earlier this year that talks about his experiences in sky diving, scuba diving and deep sea fishing. He was in two segments of Michael Moore's antigun movie, "Bowling for Columbine," including a scene showing him cradling an AK-47 assault rifle.

Much of his autobiography is about his weapons training and testing.

"My permits together allow me, with reciprocity, to carry my gun in 30 states, one of which could be yours," he writes. "But never fear, with my extensive experience in firearms, I have take all reasonable measures to ensure the safety of others."

May 16, 2007, 09:21 PM
It doesnt make you the "WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD". The talking head on that show is an idiot.

Robert Hairless
May 16, 2007, 09:29 PM
According to a TV news story I saw today, the grandfather of that 10-month-old baby wanted to pass on a family heirloom for him to have when he came of age. But state law made the gift illegal unless the recipient had an FOID.

The baby's father therefore applied for the FOID in the baby's name. He provided all information accurately and the baby was granted the FOID.

When that background is omitted--as it is in most versions of this story--the incident seems bizarre. With that background the father's application is a reasonable way to meet the requirements of an unreasonable law. Instead of expressing disdain for a father who got his child a Firearms Owner Identification Card we should be asking about why any state requires such a card before a grandfather can pass on a family heirloom to his grandchild.

One reason, of course, is that otherwise both the baby and his grandfather would be involved in an illegal transaction.

Another reason is that the state is expressing some kind of legitimate concern for the possibility that the baby might run amok with the firearm if he were not properly identified.

Although the father now seems sane, the state probably should be institutionalized, and the media gives further evidence that it abuses its First Amendment protection.

May 16, 2007, 09:29 PM
Those were the people he had to name in order to avoid having to name himself and his producers. :D

May 16, 2007, 10:25 PM
well.... if they're the worst person in the world.... with my gun collection and stash of ammo, I must be the devil himself. :scrutiny:

May 16, 2007, 11:27 PM
Thats because msnbc is a biased peice of crap. Any more questions?
Do a little googleing and search "BILDERBERG" :scrutiny:
They are an elitist group including many heads of newspaper and such. Mostly trying to pust there views on everyone, of ya and the north american union crap.:barf:

May 16, 2007, 11:30 PM
Well said economist. I would be in the same boat.

May 16, 2007, 11:52 PM
You've been watching Olberman, haven't you? Tsk, tsk.

Olberman is a flaming uberliberal who gets seriously bent out of shape because the world doesn't fit his idea of utopia. Actually, he pretty much stays bent out of shape the entire time he's on the air, usually looking like he's got a 5-year case of constipation and a little jock itch going on. There's a line from the movie "Good Morning Vietnam" that fits Olberman perfectly -- something about a white man, a particular sexual act, and history. :D

I actually enjoy watching him because his view of the world is so far left of mainstream America, it's actually quite fun watching him get all tensed up and looking like he's about to give birth. He's so self-righteous, he makes O'Reilly look like a girlyman.

May 16, 2007, 11:55 PM
Olberman should have stuck to sports and his self-aggrandizing views on baseball.

May 17, 2007, 12:01 AM
well.... if they're the worst person in the world.... with my gun collection and stash of ammo, I must be the devil himself.

All hail the dark lord!

May 17, 2007, 12:01 AM
You know? When I first started reading this thread, I said: "lemme guess...Keith Olberman."

I mean, I just assume this drivel comes from him, and it certainly is a valid assumption (infantile babble from MSNBC has his name scrawled all over it) but are we sure?


May 17, 2007, 12:07 AM
but are we sure?

Does this help?


May 17, 2007, 12:24 AM
Why don't the people from NBC stick to doing what they do best... publishing the manifestos of psychopaths and rigging trucks to blow up to increase their ratings...

Fulcrum of Evil
May 17, 2007, 02:01 AM
> Olberman is a flaming uberliberal who gets seriously bent out of shape because the world doesn't fit his idea of utopia.

I take exception to that: I'm a liberal and I have nothing in common with that guy. He's not a liberal, he's just a muckraker.

May 17, 2007, 03:07 AM
Watching MSNBC for facts is like learning about guns from the Brady site.

May 17, 2007, 05:50 AM
Let's not forget that Tucker Carlson is on MSNBC, and is against any form of gun control. He also made a monkey out of Rep. McCarthy a few weeks ago, over the "barrel shroud" incident.

There is also Contessa Brewar. She's a hottie who's on during the day. The last time she had an anti on, she was acting like someone who is pro-gun. She was contradicting the guy, and cutting him off, all the while being very polite to the NRA talking head who was on.

I had always liked Olberman. It's only been the last couple of weeks that he has expressed any views on the gun issue at all. Before that, I wasn't sure if he was an anti or not. Well, he is. However, that doesn't make O' Reilly any less of a jackass.

May 17, 2007, 06:41 AM
Anythng said by a "talking head" on msnbc is going to be idiotic. That's just a given.

May 17, 2007, 07:34 AM
Olberman is a flaming uberliberal who gets seriously bent out of shape because the world doesn't fit his idea of utopia.

Isn't that the whole problem anyway?

So much for live and let live ideologies.

May 17, 2007, 08:35 AM
how does being a young gun owner or a blind gun owner make them "the worst people in the world"

That's because this character has no concept of what evil really is, and what it really takes to make the "worst people in the world list." To them it just means anyone who doesn't agree with them.

May 17, 2007, 09:27 AM
I read the article and I found a very important reference missing. There was no reference to the Americans with Disabilities Act, and how this blind man was being discriminated against! I mean denying a person basic rights because he's blind? I smell a lawsuit! If not, there needs to be one!

May 17, 2007, 09:27 AM
Other then catching the occasional Bears/White Sox game or an occasional show on the History (I throughly enjoyed Sherman's March) or Discovery channels. I've found the "OFF" button the most used button on my remote.

May 17, 2007, 09:54 AM
I can never take pronouncements like this seriously, especially when we have items such as the members of the Rwandan Hutu militia groups (500k to 800k dead in a genocide) and any number of monsters in Darfur to compare them to. MSNBC is so far away from even being able recognize EVIL that I actually find it painful sometimes.

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