Thinking about an escape to AZ


May 17, 2007, 01:16 AM
I currently live in Connecticut but due to a few reasons such as cost of living and gun control laws im thinking about moving to a "free" state. AZ is on top of my list, I like dry heat.

The company I am currently employed with has offices in Tuscan, Phoenix and Chandler, I would be able to keep my current salary of just under 50k/yr, looking at some home listings this seems like a very reasonable amount to have in the area for living.

That being said I am very excited about moving to a gun friendly area. I would love to be able to purchase property that I would be able to shoot on, from my limited knowledge I assume I would have to move outside of city limits for this. What local areas around these 3 cities are affordable, safe, and would allow me to have as much freedom with my weapons as allowed but still allow a quick commute to work.

Is there anything else I should expect from my move? Will I need to get a pistol permit to purchase firearms in AZ or will my Utah/Connecticut ones allow me to purchase? How reasonable is it to expect to be able to shot on my property, how much land will I need for a small rifle/pistol line?

Thanks for the help, trying to see if this is a reasonable possibility. I also am considering Florida and Utah. Luckily I work for a very large computer company that has offices all over the place. :D

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Nomad, 2nd
May 17, 2007, 01:23 AM
You don't need a permit to buy guns.
Az is an open carry state, although some cities like Phoenix regulate it.

There is ALOT of BLM/government land on that it is Ok to shoot on (And some that it's not)

Location location, location. Buy land backed up to government land and shoot away.

You DON'T want to live in Phoenix, too much: Crime, traffic, crowds, high prices, and illegals.

Getting out of the city takes HOURS (MANY)

Northern Az is nice however.

I don't know much about Tuscan but I'd look at that or the other states.

May 17, 2007, 01:35 AM
Howdy, and welcome to THR.

I can't really speak to Florida, 'cuz I ain't been there. My daughter lives there, and she says right now they're trying to burn the state down.

I have lived and AZ and I've spent some time in UT.

Both are gun-friendly.

If you have offices in Tucson, Phoenix, and Chandler, I would personally suggest Chandler -- which is really Phoenix, just more South & East, and more rural.

We have a few guys down that way who can tell you more about the layout, but Chandler has the advantage of being more central (you can make Flagstaff or Prescott in about 2.5 hours). FLagstaff is gorgeous, and Prescott has GunSite (advanced firearms training and stuff).

Housing shouldn't be that bad in Chandler, 'cuz of the "slightly rural" setting, and you're only minutes from downtown Phoenix, and Tempe, and Gilbert, and . . . so on.

You can actually live anywhere in the surrounding area and commute (except for the gas prices), as I lived in Goodyear and commuted to Tempe (opposite sides of Phoenix) for some months (45 mins).

Anyway, I'll let the AZ guys take it from here.


May 17, 2007, 01:55 AM
Hmmm I'm considering moving from central VA to Flagstaff....hmmm

May 17, 2007, 02:04 AM
Been in Phoenix metro area since 1986. Currently live in Chandler, which is technically a Phx suburb. 1 hour commute to Phx for work is common due to traffic. Air quality is east LA and gets worse every year. Moved well out past the city 10 years ago to get away from the noise and bustle. Growth caught us within 3 years.
7 shooting ranges within 1-1/2 hour drive (weekend traffic) 4 outdoors 100 yds to 500 yds. 3 within 40 minutes, 1 within 30 minutes. 3 indoors - 1 within 15 minutes, 2 within 40 minutes.
Tucson is closer to Old Mexico, south and east. Home of U of A and nearly as full of liberals as San Fran. Traffic is worse than Phx because only 1 (I-10) Fwy. Tree huggers and friends of the pigmy owl throw a hissy fit every time a developer threatens to turn a rock over.
If you want SoCal w/o the Ocean and 115 deg.+ summer heat (in the shade) that requires a/c on your way to work in the morning, makes EVERYTHING hot to the touch, well then: COME ON DOWN! And join all the ********** transplants. This place never was paradise, and with the Kalifornios turning it into the place they deserted (and complaining about it becoming like Ca!) I wonder how long our RKBA will remain intact here. Each year the libs get more and more control of the state legislature and currently hold the Gov's chair. Only work, an ill spouse and my grandson keeps me here.

My recommendation is: Remove rose collored glasses. Take good notes. Evaluate your options. Ask yourself if you really want to move across country to this slowly evolving hell hole. If you still decide to come, welcome and I wish you all the very best of luck.

BTW, 50k per yr after taxes won't go all that far here. I typically spend $70+ per week for gasoline alone and I drive a 4 cyl., man. trans. ranger. Auto ins., and registration is exceptionally high, too.

May 17, 2007, 02:23 AM
Well I disagree with Poper. Granted, I am one of those "Ca transplants" but I did so because of my tiredness of librals in CA. Find where you can move with your job, and research that area. I know for a fact you can get a brand new home with a 50k a year job. I just did! I bought in Gilbert, a phoenix suburb, in a patio community. The house is just under 1500 sq ft.

Gun laws are fair. No permits needed to purchase. No wait period. No weapon bans. Lots of gun ranges (indoor and out). For me, 30 minutes 1 way gets me to the desert and 30 minutes the other gets me to the greatest gun club ever!

Traffic can be bad on certain freeways. Gas prices are fairly high (over $3 a gallon). It also gets HOT.

Northern AZ offers some cooler weather, and more "country" feel. Phoenix is a city.

Choose wisely!

May 17, 2007, 02:25 AM
I love Flagstaff. Wish I could move there now. My family is now talking about buying land on the outskirts or a little west of Flagstaff as vacation/retreat home with maybe 100-200 acres.:rolleyes:
The northern half of the state is awesome.

Man it sucks being tied to California for the time being.

And by the way, I believe Tucson is rather expensive. Lots of golf courses, etc. Or is that Scottsdale?

May 17, 2007, 02:26 AM
Duplicate Post: Sorry!

May 17, 2007, 02:30 AM
Home of U of A and nearly as full of liberals as San Fran

Do you think it has some sort of correlation with the school? University of Arizona is considered to be a public Ivy I think, just wondering if the school is liberal like UT Austin.

May 17, 2007, 02:31 AM
At the risk of encouraging another snowbird to come in and make my beautiful state even more crowded:neener: , here is my take on Arizona.

I’ve lived in central Arizona for about 50 years and the growth has turned the Phoenix area into one giant suburb. The population of the greater Phoenix area has increased ten-fold in that period to about 3.8 million and it doesn't seem to be slowing down. There is urban sprawl (without shooting on vacant land) for about fifty to sixty miles on a side. Think of it as about half the size of Connecticut. However, there are many fine ranges, including public ranges where you can shoot all year long (if you can take the summer heat).

current salary of just under 50k/yr, looking at some home listings this seems like a very reasonable amount to have in the area for living.-- Lots of people here live on less. I would check with your company and see if your current salary is in line with your peers in Arizona. That would let you know how your future salary may be. Housing sales and prices have flattened out over the last year, so many sellers are motivated. Whether you can purchase the house you want (or even if you want to purchase) on that salary is something where you'll have to crunch your own numbers.

I would love to be able to purchase property that I would be able to shoot on, from my limited knowledge I assume I would have to move outside of city limits for this. What local areas around these 3 cities are affordable, safe, and would allow me to have as much freedom with my weapons as allowed but still allow a quick commute to work. How reasonable is it to expect to be able to shot on my property, how much land will I need for a small rifle/pistol line?-- Single family tract homes run $225-325K. Acreage within commuting distance of the metroplex can run $10,000 an acre or more. Like the real estate folks say, location is everything. You will not find any land to shoot on within the metropolitan area. Expect to go quite a bit outside to get land where you can shoot. State law prohibits discharging a firearm within ¼ mile of an occupied dwelling, so unless you back up to Federal or State land, you need a big chunk. Most of the land in Arizona is government land, only 17.8% is private.

Is there anything else I should expect from my move?-- The heat wears you down after a while, unless you really are one of the small minority that thrives on it. Central Arizona has summer the way North Dakota and northern Minnesota have winter. We hit 100 degrees in late April this year (about average) and it doesn’t reliably drop below 100 until about the beginning of October. However from November through March, the weather is glorious. Be careful where you buy in relation to where you work. The rush hour commute can be quite lengthy to and from some areas at some times of the day.

Will I need to get a pistol permit to purchase firearms in AZ or will my Utah/Connecticut ones allow me to purchase? No, this is still the United States. No permit is needed, just the federal Brady check. Of course, you do need to be a state resident.

May 17, 2007, 02:36 AM
I live in CA. and own property in AZ & UT. Both are great places to live and have their pluses & minuses. It all depends on what you consider quality of life? AZ is hot & dry, Flash floods, but beautiful. Utah has cooler weather and IMHO much more to offer from SLC to St George you can have it all Bryce & Zion Parks, Skiing, Boating, Hunting. SLC big city, St George in the South one of the fastest growing cities in the US and only 2 hrs. to Vegas if you want to have a fun weekend.

May 17, 2007, 02:45 AM
i live in CA, but have visited AZ many times...

my recommendation would be to fly out to AZ, rent a car, and spend a week or two in the state checking out different areas (if you can do that) it will cost you some $, but would be well worth it. the different areas of AZ are quite different. you should find an area that suits you.

May 17, 2007, 02:51 AM
Az is an open carry state, although some cities like Phoenix regulate it.

They had better not because they will get sued from here to hell and back for violating Arizona's preemption law!!

The only restriction on open carry is not in bars, on a school, post office, or where it's posted by the property owner. If any Phoenix cop stops you while carrying down the street, he and his town are in for an expensive lesson let me tell you!!

May 17, 2007, 02:52 AM
I'm living about 15 minutes south of Tucson now.

There's Federal land about another 15 minutes south of here where you can shoot. There's a really nice outdoor range in Three Points, which is about 45 minutes west of Tucson, off Ajo Way. There's another couple in North Tucson and one of the east side, iirc.

Over the next year, housing prices will probably get better as developers try to sell off their surplus. Right now, $195k will probably get you 1500+- ft^2. Check out Sahuarita, Vail, and some others. South Tucson is not so nice. North Tucson, Oro Valley, and East Tucson is pretty expensive, though nice.

May 17, 2007, 03:26 AM
I been coming to this place since 1959. I came for good in 1978 and IMHO it's been going downhill since about 1971. We are currently moving downhill at a pretty good clip with no signs of stopping. I currently reside in Tempe which is on the southeast side of the Phoenix metro area and just to update Arfin Greebly there hasn't been anything you could call rural around here for years. You will most likely be shooting at one of the public ranges around here since buying enough land to actually shoot on will put you at least an hour or more outside downtown Phoenix in any direction. Figure on pretty much the same situation in Tucson. Chandler is a suburb of Phoenix and is no different. We have a relatively high crime rate and consequently very high rates for most insurance including auto and homeowners. My 2005 family sedan costs about $100.00 a month just to license and insure whether I drive it or not.( BTW my driving record is spotless). Should I decide to drive it, gas runs about $3.12 a gallon right now for reg. unleaded. My electric bill from April through September averages about $200.00 per month. We are still pretty gun friendly here but as the political landscape tilts inexorably to the left that situation may not last indefinitely. There is a tremendous influx of of people to Arizona from all over the U.S. and also from Mexico which creates some serious problems and just like everywhere else our elected officials are way behind the curve in dealing with them. Lest you think I am completely down on Arizona, the weather is lovely - nothing that requires either a boat or a shovel. We are home to some of the most magnificent landscapes on the planet and aside from a few grumpy old farts in Tempe most of the people are friendly. Do yourself a favor though, spend some time here before you commit to a move - it is probably quite different than you imagine.

May 17, 2007, 05:12 AM
Way things are going..Better learn Spanish.

May 17, 2007, 08:06 AM
As a former CT resident, who now lives in FL and has been to AZ many times, I would say you'd better head out to AZ for a trial run before you move there. They definitely have a dry heat. But boy, it is HOT. If you head out in the country to shoot in AZ you better have lots of drinking water with you.

But it's definitely a beautiful state.

May 17, 2007, 09:32 AM
Great! One more Pro-gun person leaving the State of CT... Your making my job to convince legislators to reduce gun control harder Jester! :uhoh:

May 17, 2007, 12:47 PM
Not as much AZ love as I was expecting. Don't worry I will travel to wherever I think about and test the waters before I move. Maybe FL is a good choice but it be nice to get off the east coast for once. If I move to Utah it will have to be Salt Lake City unless I plan on finding a new job. We however do have new offices in Reno, NV though.

May 17, 2007, 01:07 PM
An escape to anywhere is bound to lead to disappointment. Speaking from a non-guns standpoint, even the paradise of Hawaii has it's share of problems. As one who loves Arizona and has been here for four decades, I can tell you this state is no different. Depending on whether you're a glass half full or half empty kind of guy, you'll likely find other problems in Arizona within six months you never had to deal with in Connecticut. I would hardly call it a "hell hole" as one poster said, but the Phoenix metro area is definitely changing for the worse. Your housing money will go further than in Connecticut. At 50k a year you're still going to feel the economic pinch, especially since you'll be paying for things you didn't have to pay for before. Unless you have some money put away, you can forget about buying land to shoot on that's near where you work. Do what you don't get to do with most guns: Try before you buy! Better yet, do it in August and again in the spring when the traffic is heaviest.

May 17, 2007, 01:08 PM
Well, heck, son!

Why didn't you say so!

Lordy, we got open carry, places to shoot, mountains to climb, lakes fer fishin' and boatin', forests fer hikin', and just about all the open space you can stand!

Guns? Carry?

Open carry, shall issue, no waiting periods at all.

I'd be right proud to have another shooter join us here in Western Nevada.
Here's a bit of trivia for you: did you know that Reno & Carson City are farther West than Los Angeles? True 'nuf!

May 17, 2007, 02:21 PM

The wife and I are winding down our business and I will be soon heading to the Northern Part of Arizona, at the 5,000ft to 6000ft level, to look for the "Eagles Nest".. with a view.

Then, once it is found, make the move, get the hell of of Calif, and start off with around 6 German Shepherds, as I always wanted a "pack" of them, to live the good life, without fear of fleas, cars, or pollution in general.

The next 2yrs can come an go as fast as they want in my book..


May 17, 2007, 02:32 PM
Okay, I guess I gotta jump in here. I'm 68 and a second-generation native of Arizona. Grew up in Tucson, now live in Metro-Phoenix.

Yes, it does often seem we are intent upon recreating Los Angeles right here in the Sonoran Desert. The largest single source of inbound new residents (other than Mexico) is California. I see several comments on how high gas is. I just got back from California, and it's 15% cheaper here ($3.009 versus $3.549 average on my trip). Is that going to change? I doubt it. Answer: Live near your work (I do — yes, I'm not retired, don't intend to retire, so there!).

Gun friendly? You betcha. More restrictive than it was when I was young? Also, you betcha. But not bad. No waiting period, no permit, no numerical restrictions. CWP relatively easy to get and maintain. Open carry, as mentioned above, except bars, schools, government buildings and places where the owner has posted the property. Vehicular carry, loaded, holstered, without CWP is legal (holstered is key).

Shooting on public land? Mostly, but, like anything, not everywhere. The ¼-mile rule was cited by somebody above; it's the standard. You can't shoot on national park or national monument lands (generally), but you can shoot on BLM and National Forest land — except WHEN WE HAVE HIGH FIRE DANGER! LIKE NOW! And yet, every year, some idiot goes out, empties his AK or something and sets a forest or brush fire. I've got a son who was a wildland firefighter for a while and it reinforces the rule that, "The two most common elements in the Universe are hydrogen and human stupidity." There was a recent story in the newspapers here of two groups of over-achievers who ended up on opposite sides of a 8-foot berm in the desert shooting automatic weapons in each others direction. Arrgh.

Good private ranges scattered all around the State. One really big one run by the State Game & Fish Commission just north of Phoenix.

Temperature. Yeah, it's hot here. It's getting hotter (not Global Warming, local effect). Back in the old days, it got to 115° in June in the daytime, but it dropped dramatically at night (no AC, we slept on sleeping porches, lows of maybe 70°). As we have paved over the desert, we have raised the nighttime temperatures substantially (it's called a "heat island"). Now when it's 115° in the daytime, it only goes down to 95° or so at night. You better come here in June and see if you can stand it — many cannot. One of my sons decamped for Montana for that reason (among others).

Observation above: "learn Spanish." Good suggestion, but not maybe because of illegal immigration. My old man spoke Spanish (we're Anglo in case you were wondering) because there has always been a substantial Hispanic population here and pure courtesy would suggest you understand the culture and the language — after the Indians, the Spanish-speakers got here next. I speak Spanglish — in my grade school, at least half the kids spoke some or a lot of Spanish at home. They were my friends. The locals don't speak Academy Spanish, but it works (a truck's a "troca," not a "camion," and you go to "lonche" at noon, but it communicates). We have a big celebration on Cinco de Mayo (May 5th) — bigger actually than they do in Old Mexico, but it's a great excuse to drink margaritas and have a party, so why not?.

Housing costs. Higher than some places in the mid-West and South, but lower than the Left Coast and, probably, the Right Coast too.

What was left out of the comments above: Within 100-miles of the center of Phoenix, you can be at 7,000 feet elevation in the mountains. Snow in the Winter, cooler all the time. Mostly public land with open access. You can be in Old Mexico in 3+ hours (Puerto Peñasco — Rocky Point, beach resort town). You can be on the beach in San Diego, CA, in six hours by car, hour-and-a-half by airplane (Yuk!). If you try even a little, you can still get away from people in less than one hour. And I mean "away," nobody within fifteen or more miles of you. I have been to Connecticut and you cant' do that anywhere there. The offset to that is, of course, if you aren't good at prior planning and preparation, you can die out there (they'll find you eventually, maybe).

So, what to do? Try it in June for at least a couple of weeks. The offset there is that all the resorts are the cheapest in June, so you can come for a vacation/test-drive at the least cost time of year.

Ten cuidado. :D

May 17, 2007, 05:54 PM
Chandler isn't rural. I assume that the person who wrote that hasn't been to Chandler for a while or has a different view of rural.

[QUOTE][Do you think it has some sort of correlation with the school? University of Arizona is considered to be a public Ivy I think, just wondering if the school is liberal like UT Austin./QUOTE]

Public Ivy? More like Pubic Poison Ivy. It's probably the best in Arizona, but that isn't saying much.

Personally, I woiuld pick Chandler or Tucson. It would depend on the where in the city your branch is located. Either would work for me.

I would go to downtown Phoenix or downtown LA for any amount of money. I think you will find that $50k a year won't buy much house in either metro Phoenix or metro Tucson, but coming from Connecticut, I guess everything is relative.

May 17, 2007, 06:26 PM
Can't speak for Arizona but I live in Florida (one of the places on your potential list) and have lived here my whole life, except for a few years in the military. From Miami to North Florida and a few places in between. 50k is poverty level here. Gun laws are great but little else is. Its overcrowded and there are lots and lots of old ppl who come here and despise it and try to make everyone else miserable. The weather can be awful for most of the year depending on whether or not mother nature is trying to wipe us out any given hurricane season and it seems to only get hotter and hotter here every year. I'll be moving back down to Ft. Lauderdale in a few months and if it wasn't for family and career commitments I would move out to one of the mountain states or Nevada. If I could stand the desert I would move to Las Vegas or somewhere near it.

May 17, 2007, 06:38 PM
Public Ivy? More like Pubic Poison Ivy. It's probably the best in Arizona, but that isn't saying much.

I will assume the fifth word is just misspelled. Anyhow, the U of A and ASU (it's the one in Metro Phoenix) are both good schools depending upon the specific department you are studying in — just like all universities. As noted before, I am a native, but I went to neither U of A nor ASU. I taught at ASU for ten years. As was true in every university I attended, the student got the education they wanted. If you wanted to party down and just get by, you can do so. If you actually want to learn something, you can do that too. People who pick schools because they "are in a nice warm place," or "skiing is nearby," or "they got a great basketball program," get what they deserve (I think they're the folks on the opposite sides of the berm in my previous post). U of A, for example, has a very fine archeology school, a World-renowned optics department, astronomy, mining engineering and a bunch of others. ASU has a great business school and some of the engineering departments are as good as those at pure engineering schools (one of which I went to).

May 17, 2007, 07:08 PM
What ever you choose... Good for you!:)

May 17, 2007, 09:05 PM
Home of U of A and nearly as full of liberals as San Fran

Do you think it has some sort of correlation with the school? University of Arizona is considered to be a public Ivy I think, just wondering if the school is liberal like UT Austin. Unquote.

I worked on a High School project designed for Tucson Unified School District. For three years the Tree Huggers held up commencement of construction because one person claimed to have seen a Pygmy Owl. Biologists studies found no burrows, no droppings, no remains, no evidence of Pygmy Owls. In Court a Judge ruled construction could proceed. When the bldg. shells were up but not weather tight, Pygmy Owls began showing up in roof structure. Turns out people don't seem to bother them afterall. However, the Tree Huggers cost the District nearly 2 million dollars. I.E. TAXPAYER dollars.

Moral to the story: The Tucson political arena is VERY liberal. It is reasonable to assume the University is, too.

Again, I strongly recommend an educated decision on any relocation plans anyone may have. Spend enough time there for the newness to wear off. Make sure you've seen it at it's worst. Weather-wise and living-wise (quality of life & environment).
If you decide to relocate, be sure to leave your attitudes, preferences and life style behind you and learn the local ways, customs, attitudes and preferences. Become a part of your new home. Don't try to re-make it into what you left.
Much of what I dislike about Az and Phoenix in particular is what it has evolved into over the last 20+ years I have been here. I loved it the way I found it. Sadly, the Phoenix Metro area has steadily gone down hill and is slowly but surely becoming the hell hole I originally referred to. I am fully aware of what is happening. I am not the proverbial frog in the water brought slowly to a boil. I am trapped, however.

Just a little friendly advice: Do not make your decision lightly.

May 18, 2007, 12:36 AM
Thanks for all the great advice, I do not take any move lightly and will spend atleast a few weeks in any town before I move. Anymore input on Reno, the one person to speak on it gave it rave reviews :)

I know no place is perfect and I dont expect it to be. I get a little stir crazy being in the same place for years and need to jump around. Atleast im still young and can do it.

May 18, 2007, 01:03 AM
I like Prescott.
If I was going to escape to AZ, I would move there.

May 18, 2007, 11:48 AM
Wanderlust in your younger days is a wonderful thing. Be careful, though, of the impact it has on your career profession.
With that said, I too, suffered (was blessed?) with wanderlust as a young'un. I was born in Ca., grew up in Wy (truly God's country) and SD. I spent my USAF hitch in ND (GFAFB & the Minuteman Missile complex) and spent a year in Fl after college. (Loved the state, the weather and the native Floridians, but found the NYC transplants rude and intollerable.) Ended up in Az in my early 30's, being lured here by a sister and brother. Been here ever since. Not necessarily because I love it so much, anymore. Like I said earlier, it ain't what it was.
I know little about Nevada in general or Reno in particular from personal experience, but from what friends and aquaintances have passed along, both Reno and Nevada have a lot going for them and seem quite attractive.

You are only young once. I wish you the very best in your quest.

May 18, 2007, 12:03 PM
I got lots of family and friends in the Grand Canyon State: Scottsdale, Sierra Vista, Bullhead, and, drum roll, Yuma!

I'll be there in a couple of years. Just not sure where.

May 20, 2007, 03:55 AM
I notice no one has responded to your inquiry on Reno.

We have a couple of members, gunsmith and thexrayboy, right off the top of my head, who can give you more on Reno.

There are more of us who live up here, but I don't have them memorized.

May 20, 2007, 08:44 AM
Wow, a lot of bitterness here from AZ natives (who only comprise 17% of the state's population, as I understand it).

I moved to AZ from CT four years ago, and I could not be happier with my choice. The only thing that's pulled me away from AZ a National Guard deployment to Afghanistan! But my family and I are happy enough with AZ that we just bought a new house (the market is right!) in Gilbert, and are thrilled with the location.

I do have a long commute to my job in North Phoenix, but it's worth it since I have a (civilian) job I love in the gun industry. My wife has a short hop to Tempe. My daughter is very happy in the Gilbert school system and is doing very well, even graduating a year early.

There are lots and lots of shooting opportunities in AZ, though for rifle shooting you may have to drive to a public range outside the city, or out into the desert (I do the latter). The "gun culture" in AZ is so much more developed than that in the Northeast that comparisons are ridiculous.

I know a lot of people here on THR base their lives in guns and shooting. But living near a city has advantages, especially for entertainment. Not that Phoenix is quite New York City for entertainment, but there are lots of good restaurants and other cultural opportunities if they're your thing. Several professional sports teams, too.

Yeah, it's hot in the summer. CT is cold in the winter; it's a wash for me. The people are friendlier in AZ, and there's just a more optimistic sense of life. No place is perfect, but I will never go back to CT except for brief visits with the family still there.

May 20, 2007, 08:49 AM
Will the last taxpayer leaving CT please turn out the lights. :evil:

May 20, 2007, 09:28 PM
I was in Scottsdale for a job interview recently and was tickled to see a Class III specialty store (US Auto Weapons) in a suburban shopping center. Bet that one freaks out the liberal CA transplants sipping smoothies at the nearby Jamba Juice.

May 20, 2007, 10:51 PM
How about Cottonwood AZ. I am looking seriously at that area. Looking for less brutal weather than we have here in Indiana but with good hunting opportunities. Lake Havasu City is another possibility but I think that a rather larger income would be needed to live there and it seems that hunting might be better in CW.



May 20, 2007, 11:22 PM
Cottonwood is definitely less severe than Phoenix. However, it is more or less where the no-so-well-to-do live that cannot afford to live in Sedona, but want to.
I really doesn't matter where you live, your chances of drawing a big game tag in Az will be the same. Just depends on what area(s) you apply for.

Lake Havasu gets hotter than Phoenix and is closer to Yuma weather wise as well as geographically, than Phoenix. Lake Havasu is an interesting place. Fairly small (approx. 40k), on the Colorado River, about 1.5 hr. from Bullhead City/Laughlin, NV and is home to the London Bridge.

Job opportunities in these smaller communities is rather limited and the pay scale is generally lower, too. As previously advised in this thread, check things out very well before you commit. Things may not be all they are cracked up to be.
Best of luck!


May 20, 2007, 11:59 PM
Come on down!

Arizona is a great state, and everyone seems to be moving here anyway, last I heard it was the nations fastest growing state.

Phoenix is ok but the summers can be brutal, so many golf courses and swimming pools that create a lot of humidity, but get outside the city and you get more of a dry heat. Tucson is pretty nice, I like it more than Phoenix.

Personally I love where I am in Prescott, to me this is just a perfect place, but growing too fast:( We have two super Wal Marts in the area and theyre building a third:banghead:Fortunately there are still lots of family owned businesses that are doing ok, and the city of Prescott itself still has a lot of charm. Fortunately there are still lots of family owned businesses that are doing ok, and the city of Prescott itself still has a lot of charm. Housing is getting expensive here despite the fact there are new houses and housing communities going up everywhere I look.

I'm from Maine originally and I still love it there in the summers, but I like the Southwest a lot. I moved to Prescott in 2001 and lived here a few years then moved back to Maine for a year, then to Santa Fe NM for a year, but last year I moved back to Prescott, I just love it here. Job market is getting better, a lot of growth in the area, which is good and bad. The weather is perfect year round a few days when its too cold and a few days when its too hot, but most of the year its great.

There is so much to see and do out here in Arizona, you'll never get bored. Presocott is a fun town, but there are other great towns to visit like Jerome, Tombstone and Bisbee. Flagstaff is a great area and so is Sedona and each region of Arizona has its own unique ecosystem. Prescott is high desert, nothing like Phoenix we have a mix of pine forests and rocky terrain. Phoneix drive an hour and a half south (down the hill to locals) and you start getting into the tall Saguaro cactus and open hilly deserts of Phoenix. Drive an hour and a half north and youre in pine forests of Flagstaff the western, thats one of the reasons I love Prescott.

Also Arizona is in a great location Nationally. Its easy to take a few vacation days and drive to places like California, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, Utah or even into Mexico (just leave your guns at home). But like I said there's tons to do right here is this state, especially if you like the outdoors.

As far as guns go, Arizona is very gun friendly in most places, Phoenix probably less-so than others. Here in Prescott we have a good number of great gun stores including J&G Sales. Nearby we have the famous Gunsite training facility and Ruger has a plant in the area. There some great places to shoot all over the state, either indoor or outdoor, including the famous Ben Avery Shooting Facility near Phoenix.

Like others have suggested don't just pack-up and move here, take a week or so and spend it here, rent a car and drive all over the state and get a feel for it. If you plan on comming out PM me and I'd be happy to suggest some areas to

May 21, 2007, 12:41 AM
How about Cottonwood AZ. I am looking seriously at that area. Looking for less brutal weather than we have here in Indiana but with good hunting opportunities. Lake Havasu City is another possibility but I think that a rather larger income would be needed to live there and it seems that hunting might be better in CW.

Cottonwood is a pretty nice area, certainly a lot better than Lake Havasu IMO.
I like Cottonwood because its close to Sedona and Oak Creek Canyon which are gorgeous areas. Its also fairly close to Flagstaff and about an hour from where I live in Prescott. Also its very close to Jerome which is a such a cool town to visit I go there all the time to photograph.

There is some great hunting north of Cottonwood as you get up around Flagstaff and especially around Ash Fork and Williams, or so I've been told.

May 21, 2007, 01:08 AM
Regarding a move from the right coast to free America.... If you can swing it I say go for it. I have been to AZ just once. Visited Tucson just last month and loved the place. Great place to vacation, not sure if I would want to live in Phx or Tucson as I am allergic to crowds. Cochise county however was really nice.

NW Nevada is a wonderful place. Been here since the late 80's. Unfortunately it is growing by leaps and bounds and much of that growth is caused by libtards from the gay bay selling high, coming here and buying low.
They then get the impression that since they have a little $ in the bank they
are now "people of importance" and immediately start setting out trying to Kalifornicate the place. It would seem AZ is suffering from the same disease.
The weather here is probably superior to AZ in many ways. I live an hour south of Reno in the Pinenut mtns southeast of Carson City. I have seen
panthers (cougars) in the area of my house. Had bears in my trash, and seen countless deer, coyote, rabbit etc etc.

When I first bought my land a few years ago we had a herd of about 6 wild horses that regularly visited our land. Unfortunately some libtard a few miles away had moved from suburbia
and bought a huge lot in the desert. They proceeded to try and turn high desert into Florida by planting acres of grass and pumping water to keep it green like a mad dutchman. They took exception to the fact that horses like green grass and would drop by to eat the grass. They complained to the BLM and of course the BLM only needed one complaint to justify rounding up the herd, auctioning off the younger foals and yearlings and discarding the mature horses. If the wife and I ever find out who the moron making the complaint was payback will be a bitch. The BLM people of course won't say who it was.

Property values are stagnant here right now. 50 K a year is enough to live on and you can buy a decent house if you have some down but it wont be a mansion and it won't be a lot of land. For lots of land you can shoot on in the sticks figure 300k+ for a 5 acre lot. A decent house on half acre in a newer suburb will be 250K ballpark. I'd rather not see any more people move here but if it's gonna happen I want some pro rights people to show up and counter balance the libtards moving here.

May 21, 2007, 01:12 AM
What local areas around these 3 cities are affordable, safe, and would allow me to have as much freedom with my weapons as allowed but still allow a quick commute to work.

As others have said, there is NO property in the valley that you can shoot on and still drive to work. If you move past Queen Creek and then commute to Chandler, you *might* find a property or two still on the outskirts, but I guarantee that in less than one year you will not be shooting on it.

My suggestion, find a place close to one of the outdoor ranges and get a membership.

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