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Oleg Volk
May 18, 2007, 02:22 PM
For different target audiences:

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/20151-2/peacekeepers0438.jpg

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/20148-2/peacekeepers9860.jpg

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mlandman
May 18, 2007, 02:28 PM
I vote for the couple ( ;) despite the wrong handed shooter :p: ).

Oleg Volk
May 18, 2007, 02:32 PM
The couple are less threatening, but the big, well-armed guy shows that even "rambo" doesn't look for a fight.

mlandman
May 18, 2007, 02:36 PM
Who is your audience? The choir, or those who could be swayed?
Target the message for the intended audience.

Geronimo45
May 18, 2007, 02:38 PM
Looks good. Could you cut down the paragraphs to the right of the pictures, though?
Lawful gun owners use force reluctantly and only in the gravest extreme when their lives are in immediate danger
The reluctantly/gravest extreme/immediate danger is somewhat repetitive. I think you could drop everything past the 'gravest extreme' bit... but then your paragraphs wouldn't look balanced...

Very good work, though.

Chad
May 18, 2007, 02:48 PM
The couple are less threatening, but the big, well-armed guy shows that even "rambo" doesn't look for a fight.
I understand your intent, but it's hard to get past the "mall ninja" impression on the second one.

I do think the text is fine as it is.

Oleg Volk
May 18, 2007, 02:49 PM
I am trying to reinforce the message, even at the cost of redundancy. I think the pair work better than the single ogre, but I like the ogre.

WeThePeople
May 18, 2007, 03:00 PM
I vote for the couple - I would much rather be thought of by the public in that manner (even though I am pretty tacticool at heart!!!).

Oleg Volk
May 18, 2007, 03:16 PM
I will likely re-use the other image. The point I wanted to make originally was that even 6"5' guys with serious fighting skills aren't itching for a fight. How to convey that best?

RnR
May 18, 2007, 03:25 PM
I love the presence of the gentleman's shirt & tie as it helps to broaden the potential gun owner "audience" and adds an air of elegance at the same time.

Nice and clean, Oleg.

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However I'm looking for something which may address the presumed presence of a public "contract" many anti's believe local law enforcement has to protect us, just as they seemingly do to enforce laws. Two different things...

MADAME, SHOW ME THE PIECE OF PAPER THAT SAYS I HAVE TO PROTECT YOU!!

Chad
May 18, 2007, 03:41 PM
The point I wanted to make originally was that even 6"5' guys with serious fighting skills aren't itching for a fight. How to convey that best?
The same image without most of the gear would make the point better.
Its the multi-pocket/packet vest and all the head gear that puts me off.
It's too busy.

Lucky
May 18, 2007, 03:47 PM
I think the guy with the left-side holster is actually left-handed, for what it's worth.

bogie
May 18, 2007, 03:54 PM
Couple.

Oleg, we take extreme tacticoolness as a given, but there are LOTS of people out there who won't look past the Evil Boomstick. In fact, that image is probably what they assume we'll all look like as we go occupational on 'em....

But those are the people who the message is targeted toward, right?

I'd take Bubba, and stick him in an Hawaiian shirt, with a bigger smile, maybe sheepishly pulling up a pant leg to show an ankle holster.

Little steps... If we can get little guns and little people accepted, then we can work for big guns.

geekWithA.45
May 18, 2007, 03:55 PM
I thought peacekeepers wore stuff like this:

http://www.abbyshot.com/newsletters/photos/farscape.jpg

:neener:

Amish_Bill
May 18, 2007, 05:16 PM
My only issue is that the couple would knock elbows on the draw stroke... ;-)

MrPeter
May 18, 2007, 05:19 PM
First one definately. Although, I see your point. I like the ogre too.

Travis McGee
May 18, 2007, 05:47 PM
Oleg, you are on such a roll! The creative wheels are really turning, great work!

Oleg Volk
May 18, 2007, 07:49 PM
What gun would Ranya carry...?

Kaylee
May 18, 2007, 07:58 PM
yup, definitely on a roll! I like both of 'em. :)

... and dang... I need to get myself a Tennyson Champion one of these days. :)

The Deer Hunter
May 18, 2007, 08:06 PM
I like how the man with the AR isn't all mean and threatening looking.

The Deer Hunter
May 18, 2007, 08:09 PM
Like I could totally imagine seeing someone like that doing kayaking or something.

Hanniballs
May 18, 2007, 09:35 PM
I thought peacekeepers wore stuff like this:

http://www.abbyshot.com/newsletters/photos/farscape.jpg

http://thehighroad.org/images/smilies/fce32f95.gif

You geek, Crichton isn't a peacekeeper.

http://www.scifi.com/freezone/farscape/images2/aeryn11.jpg

http://www.scifi.com/freezone/farscape/images2/aeryn5.jpg
oh, the things I would do if I was in that position..

GhostlyKarliion
May 18, 2007, 10:54 PM
I will likely re-use the other image. The point I wanted to make originally was that even 6"5' guys with serious fighting skills aren't itching for a fight. How to convey that best?

I like the Ogre too, but probably cause I be one too. heh

Perhaps instead of full tactical gear, a single ogre, smiling, massive arms folded in front of his chest, a light gray or blue polo shirt on with an obvious black shoulder rig, subtle beard, smiling like he is content with the world.

With the same text and message, that sounds to me like it would convey what you are trying to say. Too bad I'm not in Nashville or I'd offer to pose for the pic :D

CNYCacher
May 18, 2007, 11:09 PM
I will likely re-use the other image. The point I wanted to make originally was that even 6"5' guys with serious fighting skills aren't itching for a fight. How to convey that best?

Showing a picture of an Ogre obviously ready to fight and at the same time stating that said Ogre doesn't really like to fight doesn't seem to get the point across. Ogres have layers.

I think a picture illustrating a gun owner de-escalating a confrontation verbally and non-violently would work well. If only there was some way to show the reader that the person is armed AND make it obvious that the potential attacker doesn't know that our guy is armed. Even though our guy is armed, he chooses to de-escalate if possible.

I see a scene where three or four tough-looking guys are staring down a clean-cut kinda guy, they should look mad. Our guy is obviously trying to talk his way out of it, perhaps he has his hands up in a gesture of peace. We somehow know he is armed. Perhaps he has his back to the camera and the wind just happens to be blowing up his cover for us to see. Make a caption similar to "He will only use it as a last resort."

Barbara
May 19, 2007, 08:44 AM
I like the ogre, too. :)

sacp81170a
May 19, 2007, 09:12 AM
I vote for the couple.

despite the wrong handed shooter

Consider the following:

Even though 90% of shooters in the world are right handed, 50% of the corners are left handed. :neener:

BedPimp
May 19, 2007, 12:09 PM
Ogre picture:

Tactical Training $1500
Rifle $1000
The cost of a beer to end a conflict, priceless.

BOONER
May 19, 2007, 12:17 PM
WOW, Mall Ninja.........Far from it Chad... orge I can handle But mall ninja come on...even shrek,,

yah i agree loose the ear pro. but since if i knew i was going into a fight i would wear them

Nice shots oleg.

beaucoup ammo
May 19, 2007, 12:46 PM
Good concept as usual, Oleg! IMO, more attention needs to be paid to the 55+ demo. Baby Boomers with disposable income are retiring in droves each day. These are people who've worked all their lives and are extremely relunctant to part with their "toys" at the hands of an armed criminal. The BB numbers are growing rapidly.

At this stage of life (say, 50+..the age I retired at) a person is more apt to get very serious about self protection because, let's face it, your physical ability to defend yourself has dropped considerably. And, as mentioned, the money and time is there to purchase firearms, take classes, install security systems.. generally position yourself to defeat the increasing number of scum bags out to take advantage of those "perceived" as easy targets.

Oh the look of surprise on the BG's face when the "mature" target turns out to be a nightmare of epic proportion!

People 20 - 50 need to start preparing Now to defend themselves in their later years. Same as saving your money to ensure you Can retire. You do not want to compromise those "golden years" of worry free travel, fun and frolic! Of course, those of us here know that already, but to the "undecided"..seeing the value of armed self defense when you are older is a very effective tool in getting them off the fence and onto the range.

Baby Boomers = $ = need to protect everything you've worked for from low life, thieving, smoking dog turds.

Chad
May 19, 2007, 01:01 PM
WOW, Mall Ninja.........Far from it Chad... orge I can handle But mall ninja come on...even shrek,,
Yeah, maybe mall ninja was a bit excessive :p
But I still say it's too much gear.

michiganfan
May 19, 2007, 01:15 PM
The couple

BOONER
May 19, 2007, 01:22 PM
lol the couple for sure

TheOld Man
May 19, 2007, 01:33 PM
Go Placidly Into the World. Be Kind. Be Gentle. Be Not Offensive to Others. Speak Softly and Carry a Smith&Wesson. My sig line on another forum.
I like the couple. A couple of Senior Citizens posing would be a good one for different target audiences.

Bobo
May 19, 2007, 01:44 PM
They both would reach the people who are similar to the subjects pictured.

#1 would reach the "new generation" middle class, many of whom are anti-weapon.

#2 would reach the pro-weapon people - sort of like preaching to the choir.

Just my opinion.



I think #1 is one of your best yet!!!

I believe the man in #1 is a lefty. He wears his watch on his right wrist, common for lefties.

Caimlas
May 19, 2007, 01:57 PM
I really like the first one, but I'd change the text a bit.

big at top: Peacekeepers
subtitle: to win a fight, avoid it!
medium-small (slightly larger than you have it): 1st paragraph and 1st sentence of 2nd paragraph
footer (medium-large): last sentence of 2nd paragraph

i'd also crop the 'grey space' to the left of the couple a bit for symmetry.

Caimlas
May 19, 2007, 02:00 PM
I believe the man in #1 is a lefty. He wears his watch on his right wrist, common for lefties.

I'm right-handed and wear my watch on my right wrist. Is the left hand common for righties? I've never noticed.

For photographic angular symmetry, I'd say it'd be better if the grip of the pistol was facing the other way - ie crossdraw - but maybe the lack of cohesion there draws the eye better.

Oleg Volk
May 19, 2007, 02:47 PM
He's a lefty.

carebear
May 19, 2007, 06:10 PM
When you use the word "Peacekeepers", people think soldiers on official, sanctioned "Peacekeeping Missions"

When that word is next to a civilian guy who's decked out like a soldier, the connotation is "wanna-be soldier".

"Wanna-be soldier" plus "of society" with "won't give tickets etc" just screams "vigilante" not "peaceable citizen".

Ditch the tac gear or keep that version for "in the community" use. If you want an Ogre, a big guy in "normal" clothes with an EBR, and maybe a single mag kydex clip-on pouch, would get the "EBR holders are just like you and me" aspect across without the baggage.

DRZinn
May 19, 2007, 08:35 PM
A simple smile on the face of the "ogre" wouls make a big difference. I think I'd also stand him up straight; that pose he's in looks aggressive, which is contrary to what you're saying. And I'd lose the sunglasses, at least, and probably the ear pro too.

helpless
May 21, 2007, 03:10 AM
I like your justification for using the guy with the AR. I also like how you brought the barrel down through the text.

Good job as always Oleg Volk

Johannes_Paulsen
May 21, 2007, 07:47 AM
If this is for people who are already "converted", then use the ogre.

If this is to "reach out", use the couple.

Arkie
May 21, 2007, 08:01 AM
I like the couple also.

Us Lefty's gotta stick together ya know!

Eleven Mike
May 21, 2007, 08:11 AM
I'm right-handed and wear my watch on my right wrist. Is the left hand common for righties? I've never noticed.

The weak wrist is the conventional place to wear a watch.

sharpetop
May 21, 2007, 12:21 PM
Personally, I would like to see these on bill boards across the country. They would go over like a fart in a whirlwind with the antis!

Fireball
May 22, 2007, 03:05 PM
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Refer to folks with CHL as Peacekeepers

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I would like to see all folks that hold a Concealed Handgun License refered to as a "Peacekeeper". We help maintain the peace. The name helps generate trust with the public instead of suspicion of lawlessness.
What do you think?

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fireball wrote:
I would like to see all folks that hold a Concealed Handgun License refered to as a "Peacekeeper". We help maintain the peace. The name helps generate trust with the public instead of suspicion of lawlessness.
What do you think?

Fireball


Interesting and I see where you are coming from. However, I am NOT a peacekeeper. The primary purpose for my CHL is the protection of my family and myself.

I do not intervene in arguments between other people, disturbances, disorderly persons, etc, etc, etc.
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I understand that we're not cops, and shouldn't be looking to intervene. I think the point fireball was trying to make was the importance of semantics.

I admit to getting a little steamed reading a Houston Chronicle editorial yesterday that ranted about the VT shootings. It kept repeating the mantra that the only purpose of hand guns was to kill people, and therefore only police and military should be allowed to have them. I felt like asking if the police were like 007, with a "license to kill." Actually we know that they aren't for killing, they're for protection.

I think the next time I hear someone say that, I'll answer that a hand gun isn't a killing machine, it's a tool for "conflict resolution."


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I'm not really surprised the Houston Comical's position on Monday's incident...So I yawn rather profusely...

As for the originator of this thread, I'm in the boat with "Txi" on this one...

Priority One: myself and family...

Secondary Priority:

If the situation dictates, and I can reasonably assume deadly force is necessary to stop an attack, or an attack in progress, then yes, that would come into play, but only at that time...The odds of getting involved in something like that are pretty slim anyway...
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No peacekeeper here either. I'm leaving that to the professionals.

I signed up to protect me and mine. If everybody would do that, I think we would all be fine.

Dial 911, is for people who don't want to be bothered with taking care of themselves.

Sorry if I'm a little harsh today, but I've heard just a little too much whining recently(not here).................OE
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CHL = Law Abiding Citizen, exercising their rights. The term "peacekeeper" implies an assigned responsibility. No thanks.
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OverEasy wrote:


Dial 911, is for people who don't want to be bothered with taking care of themselves.


it's hard to defibrillate your self.
and you know, for a myriad of other issues that aren't resolved with blam blam blam
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Greetings--

I, also, do not think of myself as a "peacekeeper". That implies a responsibility, a duty if you will, that I am not willing to accept. My purpose for obtaining my CHL, carrying, and obtaining training is for the protection of myself and my family.

Perhaps if one wants to create a label, the term "deterrent" would be more accurate.

As I'm sure we all have, I question myself as to what would I do in a situation that could cause me to take action for the safety of those (non-family) around me. I would hope that my wits and training would cause me to react in a manner that would provide 1) for my safety, then 2) take action to stop the threat if possible without violating # 1 !

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Perhaps we should all aspire to be peace-makers (Jesus discussed this in the beattitutes) rather than peace-keepers.
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Along the lines of Venus' comment, I do aspire to be a peacemaker. However I really don't need my CHL for that. My CHL is for protecting my family and me. Contrary to the adage that violence is never the solution, in an evil world, violence is often the only solution to predatory violent behavior.

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I'm just a deputy to my own defense.

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Scott Murray wrote:

I think the next time I hear someone say that, I'll answer that a hand gun isn't a killing machine, it's a tool for "conflict resolution."


Scott


No, a fireaarm is a tool to defend yourself from a deadly assault, not to resolve conflict.
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As TXI said we need to remember that a gun is a tool, but more importantly that if you don't have a gun, you always have other tools available.





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Amish_Bill
May 22, 2007, 03:14 PM
Um, if you're going to subject us to an inline thread dump like that, please bother to give it a short header to explain what you are trying to say and EDIT THE DUMP INTO SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE READABLE.
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feedthehogs
May 22, 2007, 03:43 PM
When your preaching to the choir, either pic will do and more often than not, guys will like the mirror cop.

But since preaching to the choir doesn't get you more church members, the less fire and brimstorm pic of the couple will get the non converted at least looking into the door.

Once in and after a few sermons, you can lay the mirror cop on them.

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