Les Baer bids adios to Ill.


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bg
May 23, 2007, 01:59 PM
He's had enough. Moving to Iowa.>
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/17266371.htm

Associated Press

LECLAIRE, Iowa - An Illinois gun maker plans to move to Iowa after
the LeClaire City Council agreed to sell city-owned land to the company.

The council voted Monday to approve the sale of the land to Les Baer
Custom for $10,000.

The company is currently based in Hillsdale, Ill., but its owner, Les
Baer, decided to move after Illinois lawmakers proposed a ban on
the distribution, sales and manufacturing of semiautomatic weapons.

Baer hopes to move into a one-story steel building on LeClaire's west
side by November. The building will be used to make custom 1911
revolvers and AR .223 caliber rifles, he said.

The move initially will create 14 jobs with a total of at least 18 jobs
by 2010, Baer said.

Initial opposition to the plan quieted and no one spoke in opposition
of the project during Monday's meeting.

Rick Reed, president of the LeClaire Chamber of Commerce said the
custom firearms company will help strengthen the city's manufacturing
base.

"We're thrilled to see Les Baer will be coming to our community, and
we welcome new businesses and manufacturing to LeClaire," Reed
said.

The council also voted to give Les Baer $150,000 in tax increment financing.
Up to 18 jobs lost due to Ill's possible semi-auto ban. Iowa wins, Ill loses.

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Augustwest
May 23, 2007, 02:11 PM
...to make custom 1911 revolvers

That's about as custom as it gets. :neener:

Glad to hear that IL will lose something for its foolishness.

Spartacus451
May 23, 2007, 02:12 PM
Custom 1911 Revolvers
:-)

TexasP226
May 23, 2007, 02:22 PM
You would thinka reporter would do just a TINY bit of homework when writing an article on a subject they clearly know nothing about...

jcb
May 23, 2007, 02:36 PM
Don't misunderstand me, but it may work to our (progun) advantage if all gun manufacturers leave the state. I hate to see it happen, however at least then we can point to a loss of jobs and tax revenue as a result of their (antigun) misguided legislation. It's not much, but it is another rock to throw at them.

Gene_WI
May 23, 2007, 02:38 PM
Good for Iowa. Iowa is a well run state with good business laws. I have been amazed by how much it has grown in the past five years.

R127
May 23, 2007, 02:41 PM
Longterm this is good news. It's part of a larger trend that is driving freedom-loving Americans from authoritarian strongholds. This means that instead of having a whole bunch of patriotic Americans scattered in isolated pockets across the continent you end up with whole cities, even states full of them. It's just a slower version of the free state project.

Kaylee
May 23, 2007, 02:58 PM
Awesome. I hope he follows the Barret business model.

"Oh? You're going to use my wares to take 'em away from other people? Yeah, um... no sales or service for you."

:D

(and R127 - good observation!)

-K

foghornl
May 23, 2007, 03:02 PM
My only regret in this is that Mr. Baer and Company did not choose to move to Ohio.

But otherwise, yeah, "Good on ya, mate" for sticking it to Emperor "DICK" Daley II, and Guv. "Hot Rod" Roddy Blago. :D:evil::D:evil:

If I said what my brother has informed me that the correct pronunciation of Guv Roddy's name is, I wouldn't be within 1,000 miles of "The High Road". :o

For you Good Guys still stuck in ILL-inois, sorry for the loss of a good company. I don't own any of Mr. Baer's offerings, but I have gotten to shoot one of his 1911's. SWEEEEEEET! :D:D

I realize that Les Baer & Company are less than 25 people, but if it starts a trend, and say Springfield Armory flees Geneseo, Ill, followed by Armalite and DSA (??) from their respective locations, well that would be a SIGNIFICANT impact on Illinois economy. I seem to very vaguely recall seeing somewhere that Springfield Armory was one of the top 2 or 3 employers in Geneseo.

lee n. field
May 23, 2007, 03:39 PM
I seem to very vaguely recall seeing somewher that Springfield Armory was one of the top 2 or 3 employers in Geneseo.

Springfield, Armalite, and the school district, IIRC.

alucard0822
May 23, 2007, 03:46 PM
I think Barret and Baer ar just the first two, the more I look, the more arms companies, and large ones at that are in the front line states. Berretta in Acokeek, MD, Kimber in Yonkers, NY Springfield Armory, IL, Colt, and the list goes on. I myself have been looking to move to a state that better represents me and my interests, hopefully near some family in Texas in a year or two. I think that you don't just vote at the ballots in november, but every day with your dollar, and for wherever you choose to hang your hat.

Autolycus
May 23, 2007, 03:48 PM
Well if there new law passes Armalite and Springfield Armory will be leaving. Its really sad that they do not care about the impact of their new laws, Especially when the intended impact, to lower violent crime rates (especially the murder rate), does not happen.

Deanimator
May 23, 2007, 04:20 PM
My only regret in this is that Mr. Baer and Company did not choose to move to Ohio.

There's still Rock River, and here in Rocky River, there will soon be a vacant Target store when they move up the street to the new mall. Just the place for them, and a bargain no doubt. If they don't like that, there's a vacant Giant Eagle grocery store opposite it. Probably cheaper still.

kingpin008
May 23, 2007, 05:47 PM
Well if there new law passes Armalite and Springfield Armory will be leaving.

Tecumseh - Any articles or press releases to back that up? Not that I doubt you, I just know that sometimes rumors get circulated and start to look like fact. If it's indeed a statement from the horses's mouth, so to speak - I just gained a huge amount of new respect for both Springfield and Armalite. (not that I was lacking any to begin with, you understand)

isp2605
May 23, 2007, 06:04 PM
There are a lot of reasons that a lot of businesses are looking to, and have, moved out of IL. The main one is the high taxes and the governor's proposed gross receipt tax which will drive out a lot of businesses. If the GRT passes it will be the largest tax increase in IL history and numerous businesses have announced they'll move or close their doors.

Lone_Gunman
May 23, 2007, 06:06 PM
Someone mentioned that Colt might move, but I was under the impression that the State of Connecticut was propping them up financially.

Eightball
May 23, 2007, 06:21 PM
I'm sad that Les Baer didn't move to Michigan, where my college is located--one Hillsdale to another, eh? :D

If he'dve moved to Louisville, I'd be REALLY happy. But, hopefully the GRT WILL pass in ILL, and businesses leave the state, resulting in high unemployment, etc, showing that the "anti-gun super-liberal agenda" is, ultimately, bad for a state, and will lead to evacuation by anyone with sanity who wants a job.

isp2605
May 23, 2007, 06:25 PM
But, hopefully the GRT WILL pass in ILL, and businesses leave the state, resulting in high unemployment, etc
The GRT is not directed at the gun industry but ALL businesses in IL which has gross receipts in excess of whatever the governor and legislature agree upon. I believe the governor is now asking for all business over $3 mil gross receipts. Note that's tax on "gross receipts" not net or profit.

Don Gwinn
May 23, 2007, 06:38 PM
The President of Armalite told a committee meeting that Armalite would leave several years ago while debating a very similar measure. Barack Obama was there, but he was a nobody outside Illinois back then.
Anyway, he sounded dead serious to me.

Springfield Armory HAS told the AP and the SJ-R's capitol bureau that they'll leave. The links are out there if you look. I hate it, but I can't blame them. They don't know what the next foolishness will be.

I don't agree that their leaving will improve anything for gun owners. The people behind these laws are overjoyed to see death merchants leave. They couldn't care less about those jobs.

alucard0822
May 23, 2007, 06:43 PM
This is the great Gunnie right wing conspiracy we keep hearing so much about. First the draconian gun laws that IL, NY, CA, and MD pass send the gun manufacturers packing for greener pastures in the midwest and south. Secondly, more infringes on good law abiding citizens rights sends good law abiding citizens packing for greener pastures in the midwest and south. Thirdly, after the arrival of thousands of gun toting, law abiding friendly folk from all around, the local bad guys will seek easier targets back in the sheep filled states. Then Global Warming puts the east coast under water, earthquakes spit CA into the pacific, and we might as well let Canada annex chicago. We will have all the food, all the guns, very few bad guys, and beutiful Las Vegas oceanfront property. Lastly you will see millions of really happy gunnies at the biggest BBQ the world has ever seen. brings a tear to the eye doesn't it.

Ratzinger_p38
May 23, 2007, 06:50 PM
My only regret in this is that Mr. Baer and Company did not choose to move to Ohio.

Yes please. Come to Ohio Armalite!

azredhawk44
May 23, 2007, 06:56 PM
This is the great Gunnie right wing conspiracy we keep hearing so much about. First the draconian gun laws that IL, NY, CA, and MD pass send the gun manufacturers packing for greener pastures in the midwest and south. Secondly, more infringes on good law abiding citizens rights sends good law abiding citizens packing for greener pastures in the midwest and south. Thirdly, after the arrival of thousands of gun toting, law abiding friendly folk from all around, the local bad guys will seek easier targets back in the sheep filled states. Then Global Warming puts the east coast under water, earthquakes spit CA into the pacific, and we might as well let Canada annex chicago. We will have all the food, all the guns, very few bad guys, and beutiful Las Vegas oceanfront property. Lastly you will see millions of really happy gunnies at the biggest BBQ the world has ever seen. brings a tear to the eye doesn't it.

:p
ROFL! You owe me a keyboard.:neener:

kingpin008
May 23, 2007, 07:01 PM
They couldn't care less about those jobs.

That's probably true, at least right now. But I have to think, that if what some here have already said about Armalite and Springfield being #'s 1 & 2 in employment in their area is true, how long they will keep that outlook on those lost jobs?

I think that you're absolutely correct in the fact that they're probably overjoyed in the gun manufacturers leaving, but I also think that they don't really believe that they'll lose the companies that are threatening to pack up and leave, and thus have no idea what they'd be losing out on.

Jeff White
May 23, 2007, 07:04 PM
Eightball said;
But, hopefully the GRT WILL pass in ILL, and businesses leave the state, resulting in high unemployment, etc, showing that the "anti-gun super-liberal agenda" is, ultimately, bad for a state, and will lead to evacuation by anyone with sanity who wants a job.

Hopefully they will ban all guns and sharp objects one could hurt themselves with in KY. That way we can see another shining example of liberalism in action on the other side of the Ohio. :fire:

That's real smart, let's divide ourselves into state and regional factions so that eventually we all lose our rights. :banghead: The fight in Illinois is your fight too. If you think for one minute that you are immune to this kind of nonsense you're dead wrong. We need to fight on every front.

If you think for one minute that the loss of the few jobs the gun manufacturers have in Illinois matters much to the already poor state economy, you're wrong. The entire shooting industry nationwide is such a small part of the national economy that it wouldn't be missed anymore then we miss the buggy whip manufacturers.

I am so sick of the 'I've got mine, screw you guys in the other states attitude, I'm about to start donating money to the gun control advocacy groups in the other states...If we don't stand together we'll surely lose the battle.

We have met the enemy and it is us. - pogo

Jeff

Gudis
May 23, 2007, 11:51 PM
Thank you Jeff, I've been getting tired of the "throw Illinois to the wolves" sentiment.

the pistolero
May 24, 2007, 12:57 AM
Well if there new law passes Armalite and Springfield Armory will be leaving.
Tecumseh - Any articles or press releases to back that up?
Ask and ye shall receive: (http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2006/03/02/news/doc440716d1465c2131108157.txt)

SPRINGFIELD -- Several Illinois gun manufacturers said Wednesday they will pack up and leave Illinois if state lawmakers approve a ban on assault weapons.

The threats came as a House panel approved legislation to ban the weapons, even though the proposal’s prospects appear bleak in the Senate following comments earlier this week by Senate President Emil Jones, D-Chicago.

In a press conference before the House Executive Committee’s 9-3 vote in favor the ban, the gun makers said they would pull up stakes and take 750 jobs with them if the ban is OK’d.

"If this passes, we’re out of town," said Dennis Reese, co-owner of Springfield Armory in Geneseo, one of four gun makers located in the Rock River Valley town of 6,400 residents.

"Our only course of action would be moving out of state," added Mark Westrom, president of ArmaLite Inc., another Geneseo gun manufacturer.

The sparring comes after Gov. Rod Blagojevich said in his State of the State speech last month that reinstating the expired federal ban on certain kinds of military-style weapons was one of his top priorities in this spring’s legislative session.

But Jones, in comments earlier in the week, said he doubts the measure will come up for a vote in the Senate because it is too contentious.

Despite its apparently dim prospects, state Rep. Edward Acevedo, D-Chicago, pushed the legislation through the House Executive Committee. The measure could come up for a vote on the House floor this week.

An attempt last year to move the ban through the House failed to receive enough votes.

Gun makers and their state lawmakers argued that they operate legal businesses that are subject to tough state and federal requirements. Westrom said the state should concentrate on catching criminals, rather than on banning guns.

"The arms manufacturers of Illinois and their customers are not the problem," said Westrom.

Along with Springfield Armory and ArmaLite, other companies involved in fighting the ban include Lewis Machine & Tool of Moline, Les Baer Custom Inc. of Hillsdale and Rock River Arms Inc. of Colona.

State lawmakers on both sides of aisle vowed to help block the ban.

"The State of Illinois has almost become an enemy of my district," said state Sen. Mike Jacobs, D-East Moline.

"We will fight this with everything we have," added state Sen. Todd Sieben, R-Geneseo.

The legislation is House Bill 2414.

I am not a fan of the 'divide-and-conquer' strategy, or the 'screw-you-I-got-mine' mentality, more than anyone else. But honestly I don't know how else to go about it other than saying that pro-gun people in anti-gun states are fighting the good fight, but at some point, is it really so bad to say the battle is lost and go to a state in which the prevailing political attitude is friendlier to your beliefs -- for example, Texas? Divide-and-conquer? Am I wrong to say that the pro-gunners in places like Illinois, Maryland and New York have -- at least to an extent -- pretty much already been marginalized to the point that they've basically already been conquered? Call me crazy, but for the life of me I can't understand why Springfield Armory, Armalite & Les Baer didn't leave for more friendly locales long ago.

obxned
May 24, 2007, 02:23 AM
Good! Every business generates taxes. If you have your business in a state like Illinois, you are part of the problem because you are funding their immoral, unconstitutinal activites!

kingpin008
May 24, 2007, 02:37 AM
Pistolero - Thanks for the links, I never doubted Tecumseh, I just wanted to see what the actual gun manufacturer's had to say on the matter.

I'm not a fan of the "I'm taking my ball" mentality either, but these Illinois lawmakers are doing this to themselves. If they insist on being so blind to the repurcussions of their idiot laws, they deserve to lose the jobs and money that Springfield, Armalite and Les Baer bring to the state.

They made their bed, now they'll have to lie in it. Let's hope they're good at explaining themselves - the sudden downturn in Illinois's economy is sure to raise some eyebrows come election time.

mordechaianiliewicz
May 24, 2007, 04:21 AM
If only Chicago could be anexed by Canada. Oh, happy day.

Look folks, I don't like Illinois being socialized! I don't like the gun ban attempt, and I hate, read again, HATE the idea of a "receipts tax" which will no doubt drive a bunch of businesses away, and beggar huge chunks of the populace. But, you don't have the numbers to stop the idiots in Chicago!

I wish it wasn't that way but it is. So get the *&(^ out of the state now!

Vote with your feet, so you don't have to vote from the rooftops. It's alot easier, and doesn't come with all expenses paid trips to federal property.

Plus, we have jobs in our more sensible states.

qdemn7
May 24, 2007, 04:54 AM
We should swap Canada the northern part of Ill. for Alberta. :evil:

flynlr
May 24, 2007, 05:43 AM
his is the great Gunnie right wing conspiracy we keep hearing so much about. First the draconian gun laws that IL, NY, CA, and MD pass send the gun manufacturers packing for greener pastures in the midwest and south. Secondly, more infringes on good law abiding citizens rights sends good law abiding citizens packing for greener pastures in the midwest and south. Thirdly, after the arrival of thousands of gun toting, law abiding friendly folk from all around, the local bad guys will seek easier targets back in the sheep filled states. Then Global Warming puts the east coast under water, earthquakes spit CA into the pacific, and we might as well let Canada annex chicago. We will have all the food, all the guns, very few bad guys, and beutiful Las Vegas oceanfront property. Lastly you will see millions of really happy gunnies at the biggest BBQ the world has ever seen. brings a tear to the eye doesn't it.
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that is sig worthy but a tad bit long for it

gunsmith
May 24, 2007, 07:35 AM
The building will be used to make custom 1911
revolvers and AR .223 caliber rifles, he said.

I can't wait till I get one of them 1911 revolvers!
Does anyone know what caliber an AR 223 shoots?

It must be more powerful then an AR15 because it has a bigger number:neener:

SaintofKillers
May 24, 2007, 12:55 PM
I could not agree more with what Jeff White had said.

I moved out of Illinois 2 years ago for the one reason, I was not going to give up my guns to anyone. Problem is things like the proposed assault weapon bans, one gun a month programs and etc. tend to spread like a cancer.

East coast, West coast and now the midwest, its only a matter of time before they come for the rest of us. All I did was buy myself a little time.

The politcios in Illinois arent too bright when it comes to business. Once these manufacturers are gone to other states other business that supported them from machine shop suppliers and repair technicians to your local minimarts are going to close their doors also.

Gun owners in Illinois really need to get off their half moons and start standing together. As should we all stand with them. I have already let my old state senator know that I moved and why and that I would not be spending anytime hunting in that state until the atmosphere concerning my gun rights change.

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