Va Governor Wants Limits on Ammunition and Gun Control


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Well Regulated
May 23, 2007, 01:49 PM
Gun Control is the Crack Cocaine of some Liberals. Governor Kaine tried to go dry so he could be elected Governor "Sportsman for Tim Kaine" but he just couldn't kick the habit and is smoking the pipe again.http://www.examiner.com/a-743269~Kaine_wants_lawmakers_to_change_Va__s_gun_laws.html

"Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine said Tuesday he is hopeful the General Assembly will overcome its affection for firearms and adopt changes to the commonwealth’s gun and ammunition laws in response to the April 16 murders at Virginia Tech....In general, Kaine said, he is troubled that Virginia law allows any individual to stockpile ammunition with no way for authorities to monitor the cache. Seung-Hui Cho, the Virginia Tech gunman, began his rampage with 377 rounds of ammunition, according to police. He also said college presidents and police chiefs have told him that allowing students and faculty to carry weapons on campus “would be a disaster.”

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Car Knocker
May 23, 2007, 02:19 PM
He also said college presidents and police chiefs have told him that allowing students and faculty to carry weapons on campus “would be a disaster.”
Haven't noted any campus disasters here. Must be like the "blood running in the streets" CCW disasters that were predicted and failed to materialize.

PRazz
May 23, 2007, 02:30 PM
377 rounds of ammunition is not a stockpile! That's about 7.5(fifty count boxes). I just bought 4 boxes this morning(200rds.) Therefore, I must have a stockpile. And we need more authorities wasting time and tax money monitoring these huge caches? What a joke.

"He also said college presidents and police chiefs have told him that allowing students and faculty to carry weapons on campus “would be a disaster.” "

No, not letting them was and still is a disaster. Why don't they ask those who pay tuition and taxes what they want

JohnBT
May 23, 2007, 03:01 PM
"Kaine would not discuss specific changes he would like to see or legislation he thinks would be palatable to the General Assembly. Though Northern Virginia legislators tend to support stricter gun-control bills, lawmakers from more rural and conservative regions routinely defeat such legislation.

A bill to ban guns in libraries, for example, was quickly killed in a House of Delegates committee this year."


Tim, Tim, Tim, won't you ever learn? And you want us to think that you really know what's best for us when you prove incapable of learning your lessons? Look what happened when you as mayor tried to spend Richmond tax dollars to send busloads to the Million Mom March - you had to raise private funds.
And Richmond is liberal Tim, compared to most of the state. Some of your neighbors, friends of mine, think highly of you, but I'm starting to doubt their judgement Tim.

What office are you running for now?

Sigh.

John in Richmond
I'm not hoarding ammo, I'm trying to buy enough to get me through retirement on a limited income. Like it's any of Tim's business what I do.

Old Partner
May 23, 2007, 03:26 PM
I have thousands of rounds but I never thought of it as 'hoarding'...:neener::neener:

RNB65
May 23, 2007, 03:30 PM
Timmie's an old school liberal who is going to learn that VA's conservative General Assembly could care less about what he wants.

Meathook
May 23, 2007, 04:17 PM
He needs to be run out of office. For ignorance if nothing else.

ZeSpectre
May 23, 2007, 04:19 PM
Ladies and gentlemen of Virginia.
PLEASE take pen in hand and WRITE.
And for God's sake keep it HIGH ROAD!

http://www.governor.virginia.gov/

Contact the Governor
http://www.governor.virginia.gov/AboutTheGovernor/contactGovernor.cfm

Snailmail address
Office of the Governor
Patrick Henry Building, 3rd Floor
1111 East Broad Street
Richmond, Virginia 23219

Phone: (804) 786-2211
Fax: (804) 371-6351

----------------------------------------
I've rough drafted a statement that I will snail-mail and email this evening when I get home.

araiford
May 23, 2007, 04:27 PM
Uh...I thought he said he had no tolerance for those that would use the VT crime as a method of furthering their agenda (in response to a question regarding CCW on campus)?

romma
May 23, 2007, 04:52 PM
he is troubled that Virginia law allows any individual to stockpile ammunition with no way for authorities to monitor the cache.

How else are Freedom Fighters supposed to overthrow a powermongering, overbearing and a Totalitarian regime...?

Not that Our goverment is anything remotely close to such a thing now. ;)

rickomatic
May 23, 2007, 05:43 PM
Any gun owner that has only 377 rounds "stockpiled" should be ashamed. That's barely a third of the minimum for ONE gun. Sheesh.

Ratzinger_p38
May 23, 2007, 05:46 PM
Sounds to me like he wants ammo to be 'logged'. Those forms your FFL fills out anytime you buy 2 or more handguns? Yeah, I would be ready for an ammunition version of that if you buy more than say 100 rounds.

Not the end of the world but its just another step in the wrong direction. Hell I have 2000 rounds of surplus Romanian 8mm, guess that makes me massacre ready to some of the antis.

Sam Adams
May 23, 2007, 05:52 PM
377 rounds ain't no hoard or stockpile. Its a rather small purchase at a gun show or a box store.

The government has no business knowing or caring how many rounds anyone has unless it literally creates a fire hazard. How many can one person carry at any one time anyway? 2000 of handgun ammo? 1,000 of small rifle? 750 of large rifle? 500 shotshells? Beyond that it doesn't matter, just like it shouldn't matter if a gun owner buys more guns - one is enough to do damage, and if someone is a sane and law-abiding citizen, what's wrong with owning 100 or 500 guns?

"My greatest fear is that once I'm dead and gone, my wife will sell all my guns for the amount I told her I paid for them"

THAT is a great line.

Dain Bramage
May 23, 2007, 05:53 PM
Any gun owner that has only 377 rounds "stockpiled" should be ashamed.

I think I have that much ammo rolling around in my pistol bag.

Molon Labe
May 23, 2007, 06:49 PM
he is troubled that Virginia law allows any individual to stockpile ammunition with no way for authorities to monitor the cache.
Someone needs to remind Mr. Kaine that the government requires limits, not the people.

jlbraun
May 23, 2007, 07:11 PM
Another Democrat with anti-progressive, archaic views. Sigh. See my sig.

1911austin
May 23, 2007, 07:13 PM
Come on guys! If a Glock 19 and Walther P22 is an “arsenal” then 377 rounds can be an “ammo stockpile”. :rolleyes:

They would crap in their pants is they saw my "Stockpile".

brickeyee
May 23, 2007, 07:14 PM
We should remind Timmy that the logging of handgun ammo was stopped under FOPA in 1986 since it was found to be useless.

illspirit
May 23, 2007, 07:16 PM
Wow. I have more rounds than that for just two guns, but thought the supply was running low. How reassuring to hear it's actually a "stockpile!" :rolleyes:

Robert Hairless
May 23, 2007, 08:57 PM
He also said college presidents and police chiefs have told him that allowing students and faculty to carry weapons on campus “would be a disaster.”

Since the president and police chief of Virginia Tech believe that they most definitely should not have allowed Cho Seung-Hui to carry weapons on that campus.

Surely one, the other, or both of them should have taken a couple of minutes out of their busy lives to give the guy a phone call or drop him a note asking him not to do it.

matt87
May 23, 2007, 09:14 PM
Haha stockpile? My club has several bricks of .22lr on hand at any one time. We are limited to holding a certain amount and can only buy a certain amount at a time. That amount is set by agreement of our firearm certificate holders and the local police. Oh, it's a university club BTW. Our range is nestled amoungst several halls of residence and a few tens of yards from the student union. 'Massacres' I hear the antis crying? Well I er... no, 25 years and not a single shooting-related incident. (Don't let them hear this, it may upset them...)

Ratzinger_p38
May 23, 2007, 09:32 PM
My club has several bricks of .22lr on hand at any one time.

Your club? What good will that do you when the Labour-party Gestapo kicks in the door?

Merc41
May 23, 2007, 09:53 PM
Well I am surprised it took the "Gov-na" this long. Usually they make ignorant decissions just after a horrible event. At least he waited a month to make his pitch at more stupid legislation.

748
May 23, 2007, 10:13 PM
This is why I do not and will not pay my state taxes to VA or have my car and turck regestered in VA. (every thing that can be Maine is Maine)
Every few days/weeks/months I find my self saying, I'm gald I'm not giving these retards more money then what I all ready am.

matt87
May 23, 2007, 10:30 PM
My club has several bricks of .22lr on hand at any one time.
Your club? What good will that do you when the Labour-party Gestapo kicks in the door?

I admit it is certainly not ideal from a defence point of view. Remember though that I live in the UK and will not likely be applying for a firearms certificate or shotgun certificate for a few years yet (mainly due to accomodation issues and MONEY).

I have to play by the rules, even if the rules are unfair. This is of course far from perfect but the only way that any headway can be made against the unfair laws. We must wokr within the system to be able to defeat it, and take an equal but opposite campaign to the antis; chip away constantly. Hopefully with the current debacle concerning the British Olympic pistol team we can make a public appeal not only for one-time exemptions for the hopefuls but also make a permanent change in the law, relaxing the controls on handguns. Public support for this is reassuringly higher than one might expect.

Of course, I can also foresee the day when all (civilian) firearms are banned in this country. We must fight tooth and nail, never conceding an inch. The same of course applies, needless to say, both sides of the pond -- as it does all over the world.

modifiedbrowning
May 23, 2007, 10:39 PM
A bill to ban guns in libraries, for example, was quickly killed in a House of Delegates committee this year
Well, I would fully support a law banning books in gunstores.

Roc_Kor
May 23, 2007, 10:54 PM
The GOOD thing is that Virginia Governors can only serve one term, so we won't be stuck with him for another 4+ years.

The BAD thing is that Virginia Governors can only serve one term, so they don't have to worry about anything since they don't have to worry about running for re-election.

I still love Virginia, so watch whatcha say about my state! D=<

RNB65
May 23, 2007, 11:01 PM
Here's a lovely pic of Tim "Smooth Move" Kaine checking out the Queen's royal posterior and rendering his official opinion. Timmy at his finest! :D

http://boomer306.smugmug.com/gallery/2801426/1/150409220#150409220

Titan6
May 23, 2007, 11:17 PM
This guy has slipped a gear somewhere. One trip to Walmart for small box of .22 shells and I am stockpiling.

VARifleman
May 24, 2007, 12:02 AM
The GOOD thing is that Virginia Governors can only serve one term, so we won't be stuck with him for another 4+ years.

The BAD thing is that Virginia Governors can only serve one term, so they don't have to worry about anything since they don't have to worry about running for re-election.

No, they can't succeed themselves. They can have as many terms as they are elected for.

.cheese.
May 24, 2007, 12:10 AM
377 rounds of ammo prompts a cache law proposal?

The large WWB boxes have 100 rounds in them.... so that's less than 4 of them.... and remember that some of the ammo was .22lr.... which comes in boxes of 550!

I have well over 10 times 377 rounds of ammo! To date, no killing sprees here... and I don't really see any in my future.

And since when are college presidents experts on the subject of concealed carry? How many of them even have CWP's?

sm
May 24, 2007, 12:16 AM
I want limits on Tyranny Puppets breathing my air.

Gun control doesn't work.
Getting rid of Tyranny Puppets does.




In our country, the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State. -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Well Regulated
May 24, 2007, 12:16 AM
Does anybody know if VMI allows carry or firearms on campus? It's a state school.

Kim
May 24, 2007, 12:16 AM
DO NOT EVER TRUST A DEMOCRAT CONCERNNG THE 2nd MEMDMENT UNLESS IT IS AN ABSOLUTE WRITTEN DOWN> NOT JUST VERBAL. ANYONE WHO SPEAKS OF HUNTING IN THE SAME BREATH WITHE THE 2nd IS A LIAR. How many times do we have to learn this crap.:(

Kim
May 24, 2007, 12:20 AM
THIS in the main reason I will NEVER vote for a Democrat. Sorry but they are liars.

Navy joe
May 24, 2007, 12:30 AM
Matt87, I am so sorry you have to live in that condition under oppressive and useless law. Sometimes if i don't plan too well and shoot too much I get down to several bricks of .22 in one of my range rental lockers. Now back home I have several bricks, packs, ammo cans, and/or 5 gallon buckets of pretty much everything. To the contrary of my governer no man should ever be whittled down to a small 300+ round cache, whe owe it to ourselves to maintain a proper stockpile. :D

One time I was wheeling a cart around Wal-mart at 3am on a Saturday morning in Tim Kaine's fair city of Hampton. The score was 150 rounds of buck, 200 rounds of .223, 400rds of 9mm and one very perplexed looking off-duty city cop working moonlight security at the front door. I guess by Timmy's standards they should come get me with a net. While that ammo wasn't enough to go to the Waffle house down the street it did get me through the 3-gun match the next day.

sm
May 24, 2007, 12:37 AM
The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies, but would be ashamed to tell big lies. - Adolf Hitler

obxned
May 24, 2007, 01:06 AM
I wonder just who's butt he is trying to kiss now. He showed some signs of being a stand-up guy, and now this.

377 rounds is not a stockpile, it's not even enough for a good trip to the range with my family.

ZeSpectre
May 24, 2007, 10:49 AM
We'll see if I get any response.
Will post any I get.

Gov. Kaine,

As a productive citizen of the United States of America and of the Commonwealth of Virginia I am deeply concerned with regards to both the attitude and lack of knowledge that you appear to be displaying regarding the citizens of the Commonwealth in general and those who own firearms in specific.

While I understand that you may have been misquoted, and am willing to give the benefit of the doubt, I am still troubled by a recent article by the Washington DC Examiner ( http://tinyurl.com/2cvczn ) where there are several examples that seem to demonstrate a deep distrust of the general populace of the commonwealth following to the actions of one madman. There are also other comments that display a distressing ignorance with regards to the topics of firearm ownership, firearm use, and firearms responsibility.

Mr. Kaine, generalization in policy making is dangerous. While you are seeking ways to isolate the evil people and hinder their malicious plans it is important that you don’t “throw the baby out with the bathwater” by punishing everyone else.

It is also important that you don’t suddenly, with a stroke of the “policy pen”, accidentally turn the decent and law-abiding citizens of the Commonwealth into criminals simply due to ignorance about the topic in question.

Mr. Kaine, I’m no political bigwig, no mover and shaker, I am simply a citizen who is witnessing the makings of a terrible train-wreck of a situation and am hoping that maybe I can do something to help prevent it.

To this end I am willing to re-arrange my own schedule, take time from work, in short to do whatever is necessary in order to meet with you if you would be willing to discuss some of these topics.

Mr. Kaine. I beg you to take me up on this offer, or if you do not wish to work with me then I make an equally heartfelt plea that you contact a local shooting organization and find someone to have a conversation with. You are responsible for directing policy for the Commonwealth and as such it is your duty to understand -all aspects- of the topics in question before making any decisions.

Sincerely

Titan6
May 24, 2007, 11:26 AM
Many years ago when I worked at VMI there was no prohibition against faculty carry although cadets were required to keep POWs stored in the arms room and of course the cadet M14 has the firing pin removed.They certainly do not lack for readily available weapons and ammunition on campus in the several storage facilities.

SWMAN
May 24, 2007, 12:44 PM
Well, what do we all expect from a non-gun guy? They always seem to come up with some "feel good" irrationally bureaucratic laws and proceedures just to wear gun owners down and hope we give up our favorite past-time. Of course, to the rest of the non-gunners, any controls probably sound great.

By the way, I didn't notice any progun representatives like VCDL on the VT review panel, nor being asked to testify to the panel.:)

RNB65
May 24, 2007, 04:44 PM
By the way, I didn't notice any progun representatives like VCDL on the VT review panel, nor being asked to testify to the panel.

A representative of the VCDL addressed the VT review panel during the public comment section of their first meeting here in Richmond a couple of weeks ago. Unfortunately, his statement was short, weak and poorly delivered (the guy appeared to be very nervous and sorta stammered through his words). The anti-gun lady who followed delivered a powerful, compassionate speech that rendered the comments of the VCDL guy completely forgotten by everyone in the room.

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