[Wildalaska]

Well with Alaskas new "anyone can carry concealed law" coming in to effect, I figured its time to drop the old NAA mini revolver that has served for so many years, since the odds I guess are greater that I may need to use a gun. Gonna miss that old guy...felt so nice in the pocket..

So went diggin thropugh the goodies and decide its Seecamp time again..always like the Kel Tecs but the Seecamp is so...well so CORRECT for the "advanced" gun owner:D ...besides its far more accurate that the KelTec....and far better made...and in terms of dealer price, you get far more gun for the money...

With the Seecamp, I can pocket draw and pump a 6 shot group the size of an apple in the center of a silouhette from about 7 feet in less time than it takes to read this sentence. Double taps are just as good.

While a little bit bulkier than the Kel Tec, it conceals well in my pocket...almost like itsa not there...its been a long time since I carried one, but I guees the Seecamp is the ultimate pistol for deep and comfy concealed carry where you may actually have to use a gun....


WildgoodbyeNAAAlaska

[Tamara]

Well with Alaskas new "anyone can carry concealed law" coming in to effect, I figured its time to drop the old NAA mini revolver that has served for so many years, since the odds I guess are greater that I may need to use a gun.

Yeah, you can tell by the way blood is running in the gutters of Vermont. ;)

[Lone_Gunman]

Why do you think the odds of needing to use a gun will increase with the new law?

[Mal H]

Right. I would think the odds would decrease. That is unless the Grizzlies are included in the law and will start carrying also. :)

[Wildalaska]

Yeah, you can tell by the way blood is running in the gutters of Vermont

Sociologically, Alaska isnt Vermont....

WilditsdifferentuphereAlaska

[Wildalaska]

Knock and revile Kel-Tec pistols at your own expense!
Hmm when did I revile the KelTec, I own at any given time at least one.

Its just not as good as the Seecamp.

The Seecamp is heavier, but more accurate,and obiously, its made better. Subjectively to me the Seecamp recoils less.

Trigger pull is everyones preference..I like the Seecamps better, feels less "toylike"

I dont feel unarmed with Silvertips.

Dont get me wrong the Kel Tec is a fine gun, but it sort of like comparing a Benz to a VW where the price difference is not 300%, but only 100%

Wildseecampsrule(afterNAAs)aspocketgunsAlaska

[MJRW]

Way to stick to your guns there, WA.

"NAA mini revolver in front pocket, thats all the armed civilan needs. Always there, always ready........

WildandIalmosthadtopullitthisweekendAlaska"

I think I'm about to seriously violate some forum rules, but I think it needs to be said.

You have been adamant against other people carrying larger than an NAA and it has not mattered at all where they are from. You seem to think those of us that carry larger are looking for a fight or trying to be something other than an armed civilian. But now that your state is loosening its concealed carry laws, you seem to think YOU ALONE are in more danger than anyone else in the world. Alaska is in the bottom half of the VCI but YOU ARE special. YOU ALONE will be targetted, right? Alaska doesn't have any more of a real gang problem compared to any other average state. But now that you think your situation has changed, your views just suddenly flip flop.

Here's a news flashe for you. Gang bangers don't care about whether or not they are carrying legally. You think a single gang banger has ever said "better not carry that while we carjack someone, you don't have a permit." That would be pretty naive.

So let's not blame it on new carry laws in Alaska. Heck, that's not even the issue. The issue is that while you were busy scorning people who carried more than a .22 in the pocket, you were really just happy to be up that horse of yours carrying a firearm under the belief that others around you were not. And now that situation has changed, so you need to find a new horse.

[Tamara]

Sociologically, Alaska isnt Vermont....

WilditsdifferentuphereAlaska

So, uh, the only thing keeping all those wild'n'wooly Alaskans from totin' hoglegs before this month was words on a sheet of paper?

It must really be different up there. ;)

(I maintain that anybody you need to worry about was already carrying a gun without a background check. :) )

[Soap]

Hmm...I was thinking about the same as MJRW. I thought that the NAA was all an armed citizen needed? :confused:

[Wildalaska]

I think I'm about to seriously violate some forum rules, but I think it needs to be said.

My my angry arent we...:D

The issue is that while you were busy scorning people who carried more than a .22 in the pocket, you were really just happy to be up that horse of yours carrying a firearm under the belief that others around you were not. And now that situation has changed, so you need to find a new horse.

I dont think I ever scorned anyone. Seems to me you are doiung the scorning. And your right, as long as I was confident that all I would have to worry about was the minimal coterie of gang bangers, the 22 was enough..

Now, every Tom Dick and idiot is gonna carry a gun (although it seems that the new law isnt gonna apply to Anchorage and if so, the NAA is back) and looks like I could need more than 4 shots ....


You seem to think those of us that carry larger are looking for a fight or trying to be something other than an armed civilian.

Based on some of the crap I see posted...you are right....

Alaska is in the bottom half of the VCI but YOU ARE special

O really? The VCI I mean....


And of course there are those of you who would contend even a 32 is not enough, yes?


WildnotamallninjaAlaska

[Wildalaska]

I maintain that anybody you need to worry about was already carrying a gun without a background check

Tam take a look at the scoioeconomic and ethnic makeup of Alaska (specifically Los Anchorage) vs Vermont and you will see what I mean...

And in light of some of the cowboy attitudes we have up here, and the basic ignorance of some epople as to when they can shoot no shoot, I am worried..

WildmayallbemootanywayAlaska

[OF]

Well I guess this is one debate we're actually going to get answered. Lets revisit this one in a year or so and see if Alaska turns into Detroit or not.

I know where my money is.

- Gabe

[Wildalaska]

My intent on carrying a firearm is first and foremost to stay alive, and that's why I'd carry a P-32 over a Seecamp; it works every time and hits the target.

Hmm...OK....:rolleyes: Havent seen to many "my Seecamp broke and Im sending it back" threads...

You carry the unreliable, heavy thing. I'd rather stay alive. The P-32 is better

:rolleyes:

Shoot the P-32 and Seecamp in each hand at the same time, like I have. Then tell me which you prefer

WADR that is so utterly silly.....OK like Im right handed so Ill shoot the Seecamp with my left..Im sure I wont like it..

Again I own them both....I prefer the Seeecamp...why are you getting all worked up???

Then shoot my Glock with 155 gr. jhps at 1250 fps, and observe the big crater in the cliffbank, compared to the little pock-marks the .32s made.

O gawd not again...OK, if anyone thinks the 32 isnt effective...ask your self...would I like to get shot in the face with one...


WildgollyyouguysgetsoworkedupAlaska

[Wildalaska]

I thought that the NAA was all an armed citizen needed?

It is....but now I got an excuse to play with something different for a while!:D

Actually today I was wearing gym shorts so I carried the NAA:D

WildandIllbeunarmedtommorrowsinceImonadarnaeroplaneAlaska

[WonderNine]

I'm glad the NAA .22 works for you WA. Your attitude about not being able to use it anymore because of the new law strikes me as strange as criminals don't obey laws. Personally I would never carry anything smaller than a 9mm or larger than a .357 concealed, but that's me. I'd feel alot safer unarmed or armed with a .22 in Vermont or Alaska than some hellhole like Mass. or NJ.

[Marko Kloos]

Now, every Tom Dick and idiot is gonna carry a gun (although it seems that the new law isnt gonna apply to Anchorage and if so, the NAA is back) and looks like I could need more than 4 shots ....

If every Tom, Dick, and idiot wasn't carrying up until now because a piece of paper said they couldn't, you should have nothing to worry about. If they obeyed the carry laws, they'll obey the "no murder laws".

If they didn't obey the carry laws to begin with, then your argument is kind of pointless. You sound like the 'fraidycats in Missouri and Michigan. "Concealed carry may work in those southern hick states, but up here we're different!"

Breathe easy and keep carrying your .22. All the bad guys have been carrying anyway, so the only change is that the good guys can carry as well.

[El Tejon]

Wild, you're right, Seecamp is for the discriminating gun nut. Good to see another gun snob.:D

I shoot mine with my pinky up.:p

[Wildalaska]

All the bad guys have been carrying anyway, so the only change is that the good guys can carry as well.

Great so now its criminals and untrained Rambos...

WildmovingtoanMP5Alaska

[Wildalaska]

Wild, you're right, Seecamp is for the discriminating gun nut. Good to see another gun snob.I shoot mine with my pinky up.

Ah a kindred soul:D

Ya know my Seeecamp gets so upset when I make it shoot next to a Makarov at the range that it will just plain quit until the neigborhood is better..One time I had to take it over to the skeet range so it could see a Krieghoff before it would function..

Thats why I carry the KelTec frequently, it works OK around empty bottles of Mad Dog and packs of Newport...the Seecamp prefers 15 year old MCcallan and a Havana..

WildpippipcheerioAlaska

[Wildalaska]

Flyer I really feel pity that you have such issues....:D

Even a can of Silly String may be safer for the public than a person carrying a NAA mini-revolver believing it'll do more than make loud noises on the Fourth of July, and who's likely to draw the thing and thumb back the hammer at the nearest old lady fumbling a Kleenex from her purse.

Dude are you saying that someone who carries an NAA is likely to attempt to gun down old ladies? The foregoing sentence really makes no sense...

What happens when you come across a crime in progress and are faced with the agonizing decision of whether to stop it (possible gang-rape, murder, etc.), using your mini-revolver? In all likelihood, you'll discover that four inaccurate shots just doesn't seem enough, after all.

Sorry I'm not here to police the neighborhood. A gun is to protect me or mine from the iminent use of deadly physical force. That being said, even with my most tricked out gun I'm not going to beat someone who has a gun pointed at my face. And if he aint got a gun pointed at my face, my NAA or Seecamp or Keltec in his face will do the job just fine. And rest assured, if Im walking down the bike trail and see an unarmed rapist doing the dirty, I sure as heck dont need a gun to handle him. And if hes armed, Im confident Im gonna hit him, even with my NAA..

But then again, I carry a cell phone too. And when I see some thugs comin out of the bank with AK47s, Im not gonna play mall ninja, pull out my ubertactical pistol and shoot it out....nope gonna call 911 and follow them discretely....


Oh, by the way...I'd feel much more comfortable around a bunch of "rednecks" or "biker dudes" that I knew where carrying weapons, I fear, than I would around you.

Oh and why is that? Because I dont share your te4ststerone fuled machismo? Because I dont carry a "big gun"? Becasue I like the idea of a person having training before they carry a deadly weapon....Maybe because I dont think like you...My heavens....

Every Tom, Dick, and Harry doesn't possess your finely tuned acumen as to what constitutes a danger, is that correct? And these pour souls will now roam the wilderness of Alaska with LOADED FIREARMS SECRETED UPON THEIR PERSON? Mercy sakes alive! Do we have quite a developed delusion of granduer.
.

Nope...do we have an anger management problem? Or do we just take ourselves waaaay too seriously....???

However, to insinuate that the .32 will incapacitate an opponent - read LIE DOWN, FALL DOWN, DIE, OR DROP THEIR WEAPON - as expeditously as a .40 S&W round is simple, unadulterated fantasy.

I see...you are an expert then? How many people have you shot in the face with a 32?

WildtimetochillAlaska

[WonderNine]

Great so now its criminals and untrained Rambos...

Oh please....:rolleyes:

[Wildalaska]

Oh please....

Thank you :)

WildcanYOUrecitethelawsreselfdefenseAlaska

[WonderNine]

This "Untrained Rambo" is extremely annoyed by this mentality. It's the same mentality of anti-gun Minnesotan's who complain that now they will have to run out and buy a gun even though they never had one before because "now everyone will have a gun". Never mind the fact that CCWers are not criminals by and large.

[Andrew Wyatt]

Personally, I'd carry a givernment model or other full size or mid size pistol. it's not like it'll be illegal, and .45 ACP is a more versitile round.

a 3 or 4 inch .357 would't be a bad choice, either.


there is a difference in being ready for a fight, and spoiling for one.

[9x19]

WildfootinmouthAlaska,

Its quite humorous to see someone try to talk around their toes. Thanks for the chuckles. :D

[Tamara]

Folks, this thread as gone nowhere fast.

Y'all may want to try again, in a more civil fashion.