Anyone here use Super Sniper brand scopes?


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hornadylnl
May 24, 2007, 09:06 AM
I've been reading several reviews and they receive very high ratings. Just wondered if any of you guys have one and what you think. Whenever a company posts reviews, you know they will leave out the bad ones. Thanks for any information.

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JWarren
May 24, 2007, 09:31 AM
Like you, I've heard good reviews. On Snipersparadise.com, I've read reviews that seem to be independant.

I haven't looked into them very far because I just can't see me mounting one. I can already hear the ribbing I'd get from the guys around here from that Cheesy-sounding name.

There are way too many comparable scopes that do not carry a "Kick me!" sign on them for me to consider. My next bolt-action will likely carry US Optics or Schmitt and Bender.


-- John

hornadylnl
May 24, 2007, 09:37 AM
Do you have any particular models of those 2 brands to recommend? I'm wanting to get a good scope that I can use on a 50 that won't cost more than the darn rifle does. I want to stay in the $300-400 range and still have a good quality scope on another rifle if I decide in the future that I want to put a nightforce on my 50.

ETA, as for the kick me sign, I don't plan on more than 1 or 2 people to ever see it.

JWarren
May 24, 2007, 09:53 AM
Do you have any particular models of those 2 brands to recommend? I'm wanting to get a good scope that I can use on a 50 that won't cost more than the darn rifle does. I want to stay in the $300-400 range and still have a good quality scope on another rifle if I decide in the future that I want to put a nightforce on my 50.


Hiya my friend.

USO and S&B won't fit into a $300-$400 range (which is the primary reason I am planning on putting one on a bolt gun-- as opposed to already doing.) They are in the $1,200 range.

I was kinda making a statement on the cheesy name of the SS scope more than a comment on it's quality. Frankly, if it is a good scope, and it's within your price range, then I'd get it. If I didn't like the name and it is prominantly displayed, a quick coat of Duracoat fixes that.


One thing to consider: Most serious percision shooters will never blink an eye at spending FAR more on optics than they do on the rifle they set on. It would not be unreasonable to see a $350 Savage sporting a $1,000 Leopould scope.


Incidently, you may want to look at some of the Leopould scopes. I haven't been pricing them recently, and am probably behind on the models, but I think they have some models in the $300-$400 price range. Those will be good scopes as well.


I seem to remember a post on Snipersparadise that was posted by a current military sniper. He listed his top five picks of scopes to buy for his personal rifle. His criteria was different from one he may have in his profession. The criteria included price to quality ratio, realistic assumptions of how long he would be looking through it (he wouldn't be looking through it for hours at a time.), and decent ability for consistent ratio.

This was the list he came up with on brands:

1. Schmitt and Bender
2. US Optics
3. Nikon
4. Ziess
5. Leopould

I don't endorse his list, per se-- but it is a good starting point. He didn't make any mention of any particular models, and there really was not any specific information listing why he ordered the scopes as he did. He did, however, list five quality scope manufacturers to decide from. Of that list, I think Nikon and Leopould may have models in the 300-400 price range, but I am not sure.


-- John

Henry455
May 24, 2007, 10:09 AM
Heck of a scope for the money. I have one mounted on a RRA Varmit upper. 11/2 years and 2000 rounds, no problems.

hornadylnl
May 24, 2007, 10:23 AM
$1200 is definitely more than I want to spend right now. I know good scopes cost a fortune but you have to wonder, is a $1200 scope 3 times better than a $400 scope. I don't want to be the mall ninja tactical guy at the range who spent $1k on a scope and couldn't outshoot a bsa scope. I figure if I can put in a better group than what a moderate priced scope allows, then I'll upgrade. I don't currently have a varmit rifle but I want to get a good enough scope for the 50 that if I do upgrade scopes, I can still use the first scope for another rifle.

JWarren
May 24, 2007, 10:33 AM
Hornady,

I hear ya-- and I am with you. Henry probably settled it-- he's got one... he's happy with it... and he didn't have to see a child into slavery to get it.

I think I may look at them a bit closer myself.


-- John

hornadylnl
May 24, 2007, 10:47 AM
Trust me, I think there is nothing worse than buying something cheap or middle of the road, only to be unhappy with it and end up forking out all the extra dough for the good product in the end. Usually the money you spend on the first item is pissed down the toilet because you have no use for it once you buy the good one. If the Super Sniper products are as good as the reviews say they are, then I don't think that will be an issue. If I opt to get a better scope in the future, I can save the Super Sniper for a varmit rifle or maybe even a deer rifle.

I like the idea of the open turrets and not having to screw caps off. I'll have to do some reading up on 50 bmg ballistics and moa so I'll know how many clicks to give it for different ranges. From what I understand of moa, it is 1 minute of angle at 100 yards or 1 inch off. If you have a 1/4" moa scope you have to give it four clicks to move 1 inch. At 200 yards, you have to give it 2 clicks to move 1". Am I correct here?

As far as the quality of the glass goes, I have great vision and I'm not wanting to take paparazi photographs at 3000 yards.

Jim Watson
May 24, 2007, 10:49 AM
The only SS I have ever seen in person was quite clear and sharp. I would think it a good buy, fixed power keeps the cost down.
My main fault with it is the thick mil-dot reticle. Not what I want for known distance target shooting.

LeadPumper
May 24, 2007, 11:00 AM
Been using a SWFA Super Sniper 10X42 30mm side focus (got on an Arfcom group buy last year) on a Savage 10fp in .308. (168gr Federal Gold Match)

http://www.swfa.com/c-231-super-sniper-rifle-scopes.aspx

So far I have been extremely happy with the scope (it replaced a Bushnell Banner Dusk to Dawn 8-16 X 40), I use the rifle primarily for 100 yard benchrest (Bell & Carlson Duramax stock, Warne Tactical one-piece rail and Warne Optima rings).

The scope is solid and well built. The knobs are large and easy to adjust, with just enough clik (no mush) and have shown to be repeatable (shooting a box) with minimal error. The optics are pretty clear, though not S&B or Zeiss clear (but without the price tag either). The mil-dot reticle is also clean and clear.

Overall I very much like the scope, and like some others, was put off by the name, thinking that it couldn't be that good with a name like "Super Sniper", especially under it's previous brand, Tasco.

I for one am glad to have been wrong, and thankfully SWFA picked up the line so those of us who hadn't figured out it was a good scope had a chance to.

I would buy one again.

-LeadPumper

hksw
May 24, 2007, 02:28 PM
I have a SS in 20X. My first one actually crapped out after 80 some rounds atop a Ruger 10/22M converted to .17 HMR. The lens containing the reticule listed to the right about 5-10. Thought it odd that it would fail on such a small caliber with it being rated for .50 BMG. I got the scope from SWFA and told them of the problem. I sent it back to them and they replaced it with a new one. The replacement has working OK since. This is about 3 years ago, IIRC.

IMO, although the scope is OK (apart from the failure which I can attribute to just statistical luck of the draw), the optics are just slightly not as sharp at something in the Leupold VX-III range (which is what I replaced it with on the .17 HMR). It sits atop a .22 lr now. For the price, though, I think it's OK.

Jong
May 24, 2007, 09:43 PM
I would agree that for the price it is an excellent scope. I have had one for about a year on a 17cal hmr and really enjoy it for that.

cheaptrick
May 24, 2007, 10:00 PM
My 10x rear focus Super Sniper is the best $300 I ever spent.
I love it.

http://supersniper.com/

hornadylnl
May 24, 2007, 10:07 PM
This is what I like to see. When you read reviews on the companies website, you don't know if the number of bad reviews are equal to or more than the number of good reviews or not. The company selling the scopes aren't going to post negative reviews. Thanks for all of your input and if anyone else has any experience with these scopes, I'd be glad to hear it.

Outlaws
May 24, 2007, 11:30 PM
Do you have any particular models of those 2 brands to recommend? I'm wanting to get a good scope that I can use on a 50 that won't cost more than the darn rifle does. I want to stay in the $300-400 range and still have a good quality scope on another rifle if I decide in the future that I want to put a nightforce on my 50.

$1200 is definitely more than I want to spend right now. I know good scopes cost a fortune but you have to wonder, is a $1200 scope 3 times better than a $400 scope. I don't want to be the mall ninja tactical guy at the range who spent $1k on a scope and couldn't outshoot a bsa scope. I figure if I can put in a better group than what a moderate priced scope allows, then I'll upgrade. I don't currently have a varmit rifle but I want to get a good enough scope for the 50 that if I do upgrade scopes, I can still use the first scope for another rifle.

So you shoot a .50 caliber rifle that was probably $2000 or more, you shoot ammunition that probably costs $2.50 or more each round, and you don't want to spend more than $400 on a scope?

:confused:

IMO the rifle and the scope are the cheapest part of shooting a .50 BMG. The cleaning kit, reloading supplies, and the components for ammunition will eventually dwarf the cost of the rifle/scope. Why spend all that money on ammo and shoot it with a crappy scope?

There is no cheap way to shoot a 50.

obm
May 24, 2007, 11:56 PM
i have an 16x. i too find the reticle a tad thick...but for about the same money i think the bushnell elites have clearer picture, tho, the bushnells don't feel as rugged as the SS.

hornadylnl
May 25, 2007, 11:16 AM
I'll have about $1300 in the rifle without scope. I said in an earlier post that I want to buy a scope of good enough quality that if I decide to upgrade to a nightforce or what have you, I can use the scope for another rifle. You can buy an $8000 Barret and a $2000 nightforce but it doesn't mean you can hit the broad side of a barn with it. I think it makes sense to learn to outshoot the quality of your rifle or scope before you sink thousands into it and not be able to hit anything with it.

I'll be shooting reloads through the gun. I'll have less than $1.50 a round in them and that includes brass at 65 cents a piece. I'm going to buy unsized pulled bullets for under 25 cents a piece. Lee makes a bullet sizer for under $15. I can get powder for $33 for 8# not including shipping or hazmat.

YES, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE WON'T BE SUPER MALL NINJA 5 MILE SNIPER ROUNDS AND THAT WON'T BE THEIR INTENDED PURPOSE. There is only 1 range within an hour of me that I believe will let me shoot it there and it goes to 750 yards. Where I'm located, you'd probably never get more than a 500 yard shot anyway. I'll probably only put 1-200 rounds a year through it anyway.

My intended purpose for this rifle isn't so much pinpoint sniper accuracy. One of the reasons I want it is because for now, we still have the freedom to have them. This is the model that I will be getting. www.bohicaarms.com

Afy
May 25, 2007, 11:46 AM
I wouldnt trust anything from a company called BOHICA Arms...

BOHICA is an acronym for Bend Over Here It Comes Again... :uhoh:

mumbleypeg
May 25, 2007, 12:20 PM
I recently bought a SS10x42 and mounted it on a CZ 527 in .223

I am well impressed. I have only shot out to 400 yards using this set up but hit what I was aiming at. The scope matches well with the CZ and it's intended purpose.

I have read complaints about the reticle but I haven't encountered this. Then again I'm not really a prairie dogger or a bench rester. For coyote sized targets in early morning conditions I have been pleased with my SS.

hornadylnl
May 25, 2007, 02:42 PM
I think the owner knows what BOHICA stands for. I'm sure it is a stab at those who want to ban 50's. It looks like it will be Aug. 1st before I can get my upper. I'll let you know how it looks and shoots once I get everything set up and ready to go. I've been in email contact with the owner several times and so far, the service seems top notch. He's even returned emails well after what one would consider normal business hours.

Outlaws
May 25, 2007, 05:46 PM
I'll have about $1300 in the rifle without scope. I said in an earlier post that I want to buy a scope of good enough quality that if I decide to upgrade to a nightforce or what have you, I can use the scope for another rifle. You can buy an $8000 Barret and a $2000 nightforce but it doesn't mean you can hit the broad side of a barn with it. I think it makes sense to learn to outshoot the quality of your rifle or scope before you sink thousands into it and not be able to hit anything with it.

I'll be shooting reloads through the gun. I'll have less than $1.50 a round in them and that includes brass at 65 cents a piece. I'm going to buy unsized pulled bullets for under 25 cents a piece. Lee makes a bullet sizer for under $15. I can get powder for $33 for 8# not including shipping or hazmat.

YES, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE WON'T BE SUPER MALL NINJA 5 MILE SNIPER ROUNDS AND THAT WON'T BE THEIR INTENDED PURPOSE. There is only 1 range within an hour of me that I believe will let me shoot it there and it goes to 750 yards. Where I'm located, you'd probably never get more than a 500 yard shot anyway. I'll probably only put 1-200 rounds a year through it anyway.

My intended purpose for this rifle isn't so much pinpoint sniper accuracy. One of the reasons I want it is because for now, we still have the freedom to have them. This is the model that I will be getting. www.bohicaarms.com

Yes, but in the end it is still a BMG and it costs money to play the game. There is no short cuts on it. I wouldn't want to shell out $400 and then find out that while the scope works fine on a .223, the thing falls apart after 100 rounds of BMG.

Buy right and buy once. Short cuts never work.

I think it makes sense to learn to outshoot the quality of your rifle or scope before you sink thousands into it and not be able to hit anything with it.

I am not trying to be rude, really, but you can either shoot or you cannot, and learning should be done on something other than a .50 BMG. The transition from from "normal" rounds to the BMG should only be a few shots. Then its just another rifle. Everything you do before pulling the trigger is the same no matter if its a .22LR or a 20mm.

But out shooting a rifle won't happen no matter how much you practice if the scope doesn't stand up to the recoil or the scope can't show a clear picture. Even if its "only" 500 yards, you still need to see it to hit it.

Sodbuster
May 25, 2007, 06:10 PM
If you like reading reviews, do a search at the link below. It is part of the SWFA website. I remember it being highly regarded when I perused that site more frequently than I do now.

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_topics.asp?fid=2

hornadylnl
May 25, 2007, 08:09 PM
The Super Sniper scopes are 50 cal rated.

Guns R Tools
May 25, 2007, 09:20 PM
Good thing about SS is they carry lifetime warranty.

And if you want to upgrade to NF or other high end scope you can get most of your money back. ($300 spent, $250 sold-my estimation, only out $50)

I have 16X mounted on LAR Grizzly, one of the hardest kicking 50BMG. I have shot myabe 300 rounds or so. It held up so far.

At 100-200 yards clarity won't matter too much.

Some people shoot their 50BMG with Red Dot sight on it.

Do whatever works for you.

Enjoy your shooting experince.

In order to utilize high end scope to full potential, you need custom load, tons of training, patience and more. Which I don't have.

I bought my 50BMG because my state decided to ban the 50BMG not that I needed it.
Glad I got it though. I have fun with it even though I am not a good shot.
My brother outshoot me everytime.

I think shooting is one of the things like sex. You don't have to be good at it to enjoy it.

Sniper4Life
May 25, 2007, 10:33 PM
As to handling .50 bmg recoil, that it does. The barska S.W.A.T is supposed to be .50 bmg rated but it fell to pieces on my friends single shot .50, he got a super sniper and it has held up well. By just feeling the scope you can tell that it is rugged.

cheaptrick
May 26, 2007, 05:52 AM
http://www.opticstalk.com/photoserver/images/photos/4265.jpg

Texas Gunman
May 26, 2007, 11:18 AM
One scope over looked here and else where, the high end Bushnell Elite 3200 10x40, also their Elite 4200.

These are made at the same factory in Japan, also can handle recoil from .375 H&H magnum & .50cal.

Excellent glass, comparible to the ones mention in this post so far, the 3200 go for around $200, the 4200 $300 on up.

http://www.hunt101.com/img/493650.jpg


TG

aubie515
May 27, 2007, 01:12 AM
The Bushnell 10x is a nice scope for under $200. I've owned some in the past and I also own/owned some SS scopes. I would go with the SS over the Bushnell 10x for one reason only. The SS uses a 30mm tube and the 10x is a 1" tube, which allows more light transmission.

The SS will hold up to your 50 BMG, so buy with confidence. You may want to think about the higher magnification such as the 16x or the 20x for those LR shots.

hornadylnl
May 27, 2007, 06:23 AM
I ordered the 16x scope and the mil dot master. I'll let you guys know what I think when I get it. It will be a couple months before I get to actually test it out.

bender
June 23, 2007, 09:32 PM
I'm interested in a 10x SS scope for my rem 700 30-06. Is there anywhere to get them besides swfa.com?

Trying to avoid sales tax here... :(

rangerruck
June 24, 2007, 07:11 AM
just read a review on their latest scope, unlimited , unconditional, lifetime guaranty, made of titanium, dropped from several stories, almost damage proof, super glass, all the bells and whistles. 6000.00 seemed a bit much for me though, I can buy two used cars for that.

bender
June 24, 2007, 08:32 AM
I thought their models ranged from $299 to $399

cheaptrick
June 24, 2007, 08:40 AM
Bender:
SWFA has the rights and is the sole distributor for the Super Sniper.
The only way to avoid buying from them would be to buy one used from an individual.

The SS holds it's value so well, that they sell almost as much used as they do new.
I've seen used rear focus 10x go for $250 or so.

bender
June 24, 2007, 09:00 AM
ok, thanks. That is what I was wondering - if swfa was the only seller.

If I get a new one, I guess I will have to break my rule of not paying sales tax over the internet...

can someone clear up something for me? I don't know a lot about scopes, most of my rifles are milsurps with iron sights. I know what Parallax is, but do "fixed power" scopes also have the problem, or just variable power scopes?

According to this pic on the swfa website, the SS10x42 model has "rear parallax adjustment". How is parallax adjustment marked... in yards? I've never owned a parallax adjustable scope.

I notice that there are two SS10x42 models - one called SS10x42M, which has side focus and is $100 more, the other with rear focus and called SS10x42.

Do both of those have "parallax adjustment"?

sorry for all the questions, been shooting for many years, but I'm pretty much a scope-noob...

Don't Tread On Me
June 24, 2007, 09:14 AM
I was almost about to get a SuperSniper, but instead opted for the Nikon Monarch which has been on a sale. $550-$600 models going for $315.

bender
June 24, 2007, 09:38 AM
forgot to add the pic on my last post (#34):

http://www.swfa.com/c-231-super-sniper-rifle-scopes.aspx

In the comments in the white bubbles, it says "rear parallax adjustment"

cheaptrick
June 24, 2007, 10:16 AM
Bender:
Both the 10x SS's have parallax adjustment, one like I have is rear (in meters) the other is side focus.
Both do the same thing, but I prefer the rear focus model because I'm a "lefty", and like to adjust my focus with my right hand, while keeping my trigger finger by the trigger.

Some scopes have "fixed" parallax setting of 100-150 yards, while others offer adjustable, like the SS.
With the Super Sniper, it dials down to 10 meters all the way to infinity.

The parallax settings on almost all scopes are never really accurate because there are so many different factors and situations to consider.
I never use the "numbers" on the dial to achieve a good sight picture. It's just a reference.

Good parallax link.
http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5026&PN=1

Texas Gunman
June 24, 2007, 11:54 AM
Parallax adjustment on a fixed scope, just drill a hole dead center of your Butler flip up cap, kinda like a peep sight.

You'll be amazed how quick you'll be able to make use of it, vs messing with a side knob.

TG

Texas Gunman
June 24, 2007, 11:57 AM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c180/norm453/DSCN0662.jpg


http://www.hunt101.com/img/500911-big.jpg


TG

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