What's your Crow Shooting Rifle?


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makdaddy03
June 22, 2003, 03:32 PM
Mine are the Marlin .17cal bolt action and the Marlin 25MN 22 mag.
Both have Tasco 3x9x40mm scopes. Very nice outfit for Crow Shooting.

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cdbeaver
June 22, 2003, 05:08 PM
Mine's a Ruger No. 1V in .22-250 with a Leupold VX-II 6-18 target scope.

Unfortunately, around here the crow is a protected bird during most of the year. But that Ruger does equally good work on prairie dogs!

Cosmoline
June 22, 2003, 07:16 PM
Crow shooting is bad luck. Not as bad as raven shooting, but still bad. Corvids are best left alone. In the afterlife they will tear out your spleen if you make them angry

:D

wun_8_seven
June 22, 2003, 08:49 PM
contender carbine 223. 187

Soap
June 22, 2003, 09:06 PM
Kimber .22 Hunter or Remington 700P for longer shots.

Mannlicher
June 22, 2003, 09:20 PM
Back when I hunted crows in North Florida, the rifle was a Remington 788 in .222 Rem. Scope was a 6 X Weaver. Not much of a rig, as things to now, but in it's day, I took a lot of crows with it. Shots out to 250 yards on a calm day.

My other crow gun was a Browning Sweet 16. We would lay under a cover of burlap bags, and call them in. When close, you would uncover,and catch them in flight. Great sport indeed.

Gordon
June 22, 2003, 10:20 PM
Not worrying about having a spleen in after life: Martini Cadet in .17 K hornet with 15X Lyman supertargetspot.:evil:

bad_dad_brad
June 22, 2003, 10:35 PM
Marlin .17HMR as well. With a Weaver Rimfire scope. Good, cheap, robust, very accurate gun. Glad I saved the $300 instead of buying the Ruger during the initial .17 frenzy.

makdaddy03
June 23, 2003, 01:39 AM
Cosmoline, I shoot Crows to watch the feathers fly.:evil:
Bad Luck? I dont believe in luck.:D

Every now and then, I usually take out a cat or two.:evil:

waynzwld
June 23, 2003, 12:07 PM
AR15! :D

ShaiVong
June 23, 2003, 06:22 PM
10/22, at 30 yards. :D

I'm planning on being buried with it, that way i can fend off any spleensucking demon crows.:scrutiny:

Omaha-BeenGlockin
June 23, 2003, 07:02 PM
No rifles for game birds in this state---shotgun only here :(.

George Hill
June 23, 2003, 07:30 PM
Many moons ago when I was in Idaho, I had a Benelli M1 and a case of Fletchet rounds. The combination worked great on crows.

makdaddy03
June 23, 2003, 07:45 PM
Fletchet Rounds? Cool!!!!!!!!!

ShaiVong
June 23, 2003, 09:34 PM
You know, i've heard and seen those things, flechette rounds.

I've never heard how well they do for stopping power vs buckshot.

Any input?

Art Eatman
June 23, 2003, 11:45 PM
Now, Cosmoline, you know it's bad luck to be superstitious!

Don't have crows in the SW Texas desert. Got ravens, though, which are easily twice as large. They're just too neat to shoot, law or no law. I have a pair that hangs around my general area and are happy to help dispose of leftovers from the table.

:), Art

Jaywalker
June 24, 2003, 09:30 AM
There's a season on them here in Virginia, but that doesn't do much good. Where you can hunt them, they aren't a problem. There was a roost of, what, 10,000 birds, in one area just outside of DC, but "No Shooting Allowed."

They're predators, of course, and that's really too high a concentration of them. They killed off many of the songbirds im my neighborhood for a couple of years, until West Nile Virus evened out the population. We don't see so many around anymore.

Were it legal to shoot these protected animals in close proximity to people who might feel compelled to notify the authorities, I suppose a Beeman R-7 .20 cal pellet rifle with a Simmons 4x scope and a B-Square mount would probably work. Hypothetically speaking, of course, that would be the ticket out to 35 yards.

Jaywalker

waynzwld
June 24, 2003, 12:14 PM
pointed field pellets to get through the feathers!

GooseGestapo
June 24, 2003, 03:15 PM
I Don't expect to have spleen in afterlife neither;

I use:
Ruger M77/22 Hornet KBZ (stainless 24"bbl) with 35gr V-max over 11.2gr H110 or 40gr Sierra HP/12.5 Lil-gun (also taken quite a few whitetails too!)
Remington 597 .22mag. w/Win Supreme 35gr.
Remington 1187 w/1.25oz #6's
AR-15 w/ M&A parts 20" H-Bar match flattop over "Bushy" lower,
w/23.5gr H-/IMR4198 and 40gr Bal.Tip.

After I'm gone, someone's going to have one heck of a gun collection and the messiest "ammo factory" to sort through.

And if'n crows are a peckin' at me, I dun "messed up here!", and I'd rather be swatt'in crows than boil'in in brim-stone !!!!

John 3:16
Mark 16:16
John 14:1-

Snaps
June 24, 2003, 03:18 PM
I've got a Marilin .22 (can't remember the model No.) with a cheap bushnell trophy 3-9 scope that I use to knock 'em down:evil:

12-34hom
June 24, 2003, 10:05 PM
Remington 700 - Pillar bedded - Shilen SS # 7 contour "select Match"with a 11 degree target crown, 273 neck - 1 & 8 twist - Action Tuned - [bolt face squared - lugs laped]

Harris Bi-pod, Nylon sling.

Springfield Armory Goverment model scope [ 1st generation]
4 by 14 power - Reticle set for 308 match.

@ moa with handloads .05.

Favorite crow load = Prepped Winchester brass - 47.5 grains Varget - CCI benchrest primers - 58 grain Hornaday V -max. Specs out right at 4000fps.

Deadly out to 400 yards. Futher than that = go up to 95 to 107 grain projectiles.

digex
June 25, 2003, 12:13 AM
I don't shoot crows either, but I spend many hours in the pasture dropping prairie dogs. I use a Ruger M77/22wrm. Very nice varminter.

firestar
June 25, 2003, 11:29 AM
Instead of shooting crows, you guys should switch to shooting Starlings. Starlings are imported pests from Europe and they have gotten out of control. Many of our native birds are being displaced by imported birds like the Starling and the English Sparrow.

I don't think you need a hunting permit to kill Starlings. As far as I know, you can shoot them all day long if you want. Kill them all! Maybe if the Starlings were gone, we would have a little more diversity in bird species in North America again.

Why are people killing native species like Crows and Prairie Dogs when we have an abundance of non-native pests that need killing? You could help the ecosystem if you killed the pests that are out producing our native species. Rats, Starlings, English Sparrows, and feral cats are all fine to shoot. Killing these animals will benefit the environment.

A pellet rifle is not really humane on a Crow. I know people have killed Crows with magnum pellet rifles but a Beeman R-7 would just wound them more often than not.

digex
June 25, 2003, 12:19 PM
Native or not, prairie dogs are pests. I don't live in the city where they're sold as pets, I live in a very rural area and they are absolute pests. They cause problems with farmers' livestock as well as destroy the land they inhabit. They provide a huge breeding area for parasite insects and carry disease quite easily. They are the reason for the "v-max" round and I use a lot of them. I'm not worried about the eco-system so much as the local economy. Out here, farmers are the economy. If I can help them out and still have a fun day in the field, all the better.
Tommy

ShaiVong
June 25, 2003, 12:31 PM
Fire, your absolutely right. The reason i hate starlings beyond the above is that they nest in the eves of your house, or buildings, and proceed to create a ******-waterfall out of the opening, which gracefully spreads down the exterior of your building.

I visit my parents farm once or twice a month, and I always make sure to blast atleast one of those little craps before i go home.

Its nice to find cover (because they bug out when they see me), and wait for two of them to sit on top of the barn, then give them a 12ga round. Two, DRT.

Jaywalker
June 25, 2003, 01:12 PM
firestar: A pellet rifle is not really humane on a Crow. I know people have killed Crows with magnum pellet rifles but a Beeman R-7 would just wound them more often than not. I understand that that is the accepted wisdom, but I find it to be untrue. I recall only one wounded bird, and that was absolutely due to shot placement. BTW, that bird fell wounded where it could be recovered and dispatched very quickly (3 seconds).

The process was not entered into without thought, however; as big a bird as the crow is, it's still a bird, and is very lightly built. A .20 cal pellet will definitely penetrate feathers, skin, and wing bones with sufficient energy remaining to cause massive shock and instant termination. It appears to be D-cell battery travelling at 600 fps to an animal of that size.

That being said, I support your general position. Too often, we do use marginal equipment and stretch it well beyond its capabilities. A wounded animal is a bad thing, regardless of the animal. A squirrel would be too much animal, I think.

As I mentioned earlier, crows are a definite problem in urban/suburban areas. They aren't "living off the land," but out of garbage cans, and were the specific vector mentioned for the quick spread of West Nile Virus to the mid-Atlantic seaboard. I had a roost of 23 birds (and growing) in my immediate neighborhood, defined as 5 or 6 blocks. When a bird fell, hundreds flew in from the nearby mile or so. That's a problem that a pellet rifle can't solve, though it can keep a few songbirds alive. Granted, it's emotional; sparrows and starlings displace, but they don't carry bluebird eggs off in their beaks.

Sorry, rant mode off.

Jaywalker

makdaddy03
June 25, 2003, 03:28 PM
Heck I shoot Starlings too. "Starlings and Crows have "NO Closed Season in Alabama". I really get a kick out of it when several hundred of the Starling birds fly over and then we cut loose with the shotgun. Wipe a good many out doing this. Great Fun. We call'em "Black Birds"down South.:D

Jon Coppenbarger
June 25, 2003, 05:57 PM
crows stopped being hunting mostly when they started guiding for the 7th.
but would be a extint spieces today if the cheyenne and sioux had their way 127 years ago today!

firestar
June 25, 2003, 09:41 PM
If native animals are causeing a local problem, I guess I don't really have a problem with culling a few of them. I don't live near Prairie Dogs so I have not witnessed the problems they cause. Crows are great scavengers and help keep disease down by cleaning up roadkill and other dead animals. They will eat anything so sometimes they eat song bird eggs, frogs, snakes etc. but they will eat whatever is easiest. Most often they scavenge and whether you like them or not they fill a ecological need.

Imported pests like Rats and Starlings, have no place on this continet. Kill every single one, I don't care. I have shot hundreds of Starlings and English Sparrows over the years. I mostly used an RWS 45 with .177 cal flat point pellets. If hit anywhere in the head or body, they are toast. I did shoot a few Crows and the results were not good. Out of 4-5 Crows that I shot, only 1 was killed and recovered.

I also don't shoot English House Sparrows anymore unless it is at close range and I am sure of what I am shooting. I have mistaken Finches and native Sparrows for the English pests. I felt really bad because I was trying to help the native birds and not kill them. :uhoh: They look very similar to some native birds so I suggest taking extreme care in shooting English Sparrows.

rick_reno
June 26, 2003, 12:34 AM
I used to shoot them outside our place with a .223 Sako heavy barrel with a Leupold 12x dot reticle scope. They got wise to seeing me walk outside with my rifle and started flying off everytime I exited the garage with it. I switched to using a Benjamin pump up pellet rifle, I'd sneak it into my Volvo wagon and drive slowly out the driveway. They sit in the trees on either side of the drive - I'd poke the gun out the window and shoot the close ones. Crow falls down, I'd drive out to the end of the road, pump the gun up again and drive back and they'd still be sitting there. It had to be the Volvo...

I disagree with the poster who said you can't shoot these things with a pellet rifle. You can - and they die. It's not the visual joy of seeing them hit with a Nosler 50 gr. BT bullet (they blow up) but they die just the same. You have to choose your shots more carefully, shooting at one any distance away wouldn't be correct.

cratz2
June 26, 2003, 01:37 AM
Of course, I don't shoot crows out of season... ;)

But if I were to use a rifle I've used on crows previously, my Marlin 22 Magnum would be the one that's taken the most. There's a field that goes to about 175 yards that I've spent a lot of time pointing at.

Also have used a couple 223s, a couple 22-250s and a 243. Those 40 Gr 22-250s really make for a colorful display on something like a crow.

makdaddy03
June 26, 2003, 09:25 AM
:) ;)

JHill
June 26, 2003, 02:14 PM
.22 super colibri off the back deck.

I've gotten a couple to let out a shreik as they got hit and the others come looking.

Fri, Sat, and Sun in season.

RustyHammer
June 26, 2003, 04:10 PM
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Even a cow can turn into a deer after about 6 beers! A buddy of mine has an ex-wife to prove it.

redneck2
June 26, 2003, 07:26 PM
I loved to hunt crows. Most memorable was one at about 120 yards. 40 grain Hornady out of a 22-250. Biggest piece was the near-side wing still attached to the near-side leg.

Other than that....lotsa itty-bitty pieces.......scattered over about 10 yards of real estate.

I usually use 12 gauge and high brass mag 4's if we call. They feather up enough here in the winter that 3" turkey loads aren't too much.

Here in the Midwest, West Nile has just about done 'em in

last time we went callin', only got 1 to respond in 3 set-ups. Used to get up to several dozen.

Crows will be an endangered species in a year or two.

Thought I'd jump for joy at the thought of "No more crows....."

but I miss the hunt.

Mr. Chitlin
June 26, 2003, 09:48 PM
It depends on the distance I am planning on shooting them:

Short range, Marlin 17VS

http://photos.imageevent.com/brobert/guns/websize/17vs.jpg

Long Range, Bushie Varminter

http://photos.imageevent.com/brobert/guns/websize/DSC00063.JPG

In the bush, Remington 1187 with 2 3/4" high brass #5 or 6's.

ShaiVong
June 26, 2003, 09:53 PM
Yeah red, thats my complaint too.

When me and my folks first moved into our farm in Maine, there were TONS of pidgeons in it. Pidgeons and horses dont mix, so my mom charged me with getting rid of them.

36 pidgeon corpses later (all done with a cheap wally world .177 daisy pump), i stood the victor. Pidgeons just dont come around anymore, the place must stink of death to them or something.

Anyway, i did my job. I have to say though, i really miss the hunt, and at the time I wasnt into it; or guns (I used to apoligize to every pidgeon before i popped it in the head to finish it). Had i been told to do it now, i would have used better equipment and benefited from the practice alot more.

Same thing with the squirrels at my house in town. After 6 bit the dust, they just dont hang around anymore. No more holes in the eves, but i miss the thrill of the hunt.

Oh well. :(

makdaddy03
June 27, 2003, 02:36 AM
Nice rifles you have there Mr Chitlin. I have just got to get myself one of those Bushys.:evil:

ShaiVong
June 27, 2003, 03:04 PM
Anyone know how the BM varmenter compares to the RRA varmenter in terms of accuracy?

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