[sonofodin]

Upon pondering about silly laws, I decided to ask a question about a silly law. The law in question concerns knives with two edges. Why is it that double edged knives are so frowned upon and downright booed? I have a cheap Smith and Wesson boot dagger that would be perfect for self defense, but obviously I cannot carry it. Why in the name of the gods is it such a problem? I do hope someone can shed some light on this. (ohh joy, I just hit senior member status!)

[Mike U.]

Daggers are the cutlery equivalent of the black rifle. You know, evil looking features like that hellish double edge made for doing nothing more than stealing human life in the most wicked evil manner imagineable.

It's just another in the never ending attempts of certain humans trying to control the freedoms of other humans in order to subjugate them.
Some folks are really hung up on having TOTAL control over everything around them. First and foremost is controlling the most dangerous variable in their world, that being the freedoms of other humans.

We can't have the evil double edged knives let loose on society!
Think of the CHILDREN!!

[sonofodin]

HAHAHA thanks mike. Speaking of evil black knives, half of my field knives or smaller EDC fixed blades either have black blades or handles. Do the handles count? Cmon...I'm putting my own safety in the garbage to think of the kiddies....Wait, the receivers of my 870 Express and CZ .22 are black. Do they count? Oh my! I just realized that the CRKT Companion (Aus 6) fixed blade on my belt is blued! But don't worry, I carried my silver Benchmade Monochrome and silver Cold Steel Ti-Lite to counter act the evil blackness :rolleyes:. Hmm, seems Jon does not pass go, collect $200 and goes straight to jail. Oh, wait, my B.C. Rich Warlock is black...it even erupts in flames when I play it and tear up and down the fretboard...evil heavy metal...guess I'm not thinkin of the kids..

[Mike U.]

LOL! Yep, about 70% of my knives have black in their construct somewhere. Mostly the G-10 handles.

EGAD! some are even all black. The horror...

[hso]

Why in the name of the gods is it such a problem?

As said, "the equivalent of EBR".

Or

The dagger has been used as a weapon throughout the ages. Since knives were/are such practical tools only the weapon version was "outlawed".

As knives become less valuable tools to smaller and smaller segments of society they become more and more seen as weapons instead of tools. *sigh*

[sonofodin]

It's a shame because the design of a dagger, when you get right down to it, is ideal for self defense. It's aggravating that I cannot even toss the cheap blade in a tackle box or glove box. I had it in my tackle box but I thought it most wise to take it out, since I usually have a knife on my belt and a machete for clearing brush and making stakes to tie traps and line to, etc. Whats next, the evil tactical tanto? The ferocious upswept skinner? :barf: bah!

[mrtgbnkr]

Gorgoroth...

I can't find any reference to double edged, dagger style knives in the Ohio section on knife laws. Do you have a source that indicates that double edged knives are prohibited in Ohio?

http://pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/oh.txt

[sonofodin]

Boot Knives. As far as I know, a knife concealed in a boot of under a shirt is carrying a concealed weapon and also a double edged knife is also illegal. You say you cannot find anything supporting that theory, but perhaps you can explain what the law for Ohio states? Perhaps I am wrong and I am most open to being pointed out where and why :)

As far as I can tell, i can have a gun in my car, unloaded with open chamber, as long as i am doing something lawful, like hunting or fishing away from town. I cannot have it on my person without a license of doing so. I am sure the law has something more stringent about knives. Aren't they, in the eyes of the law, considered a deadly weapon?

[sonofodin]

Wow, thats hard to interpret for me exactly what they mean. If someone could sum it up, that would be great.

[Mike U.]

Have you tried this link yet?

http://pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/oh.txt

I see nothing about double edged blades there, but, you might wanna go thru it on your own looking for "dagger" or "double edged knife".

Mr. Levine has kindly gathered the knife laws for all 50 states for us. Is that cool or what?! :D

[mrtgbnkr]

Gorgoroth,
That's my point. You could have a screwdriver tucked in your back pocket and have it considered a 'deadly weapon' by the wrong prosecutor...but Ohio law doesn't say that double edged blades are illegal. It also doesn't say that it's illegal to own or carry an automatic (switchblade). It does say you can't "possess for sale"...but that's a different discussion. Of course, all of that is subject to the whims of the prosecuting attorney...so, take it for what it's worth...but that's what the 'law' says.

[Vonderek]

I think many laws outlawing daggers are from the 18th century when the dagger was the weapon of choice of the "riff raff". I think the laws are discriminatory in nature since those that the laws were targeted against couldn't afford a gentleman's weapon, i.e., a handgun.

The same can be said today whenever lawmakers try to pass any ban on what they call "Saturday Night Specials."

[sonofodin]

Exactly right. It does not expressly mention it as verboten or specifically not to be carried however I think your more apt to avoid trouble with slightly less.....menacing....blades...if at all. (gott knows if you escape the wrath of the law with a case or swiss army knife, your getting somewhere). Double edged blades/daggers are more likely to impair your case and get you charged than something more practical.

Pretty cool mike.

[coelacanth]

will not be disarmed. Properly motivated, I can clean your clock with anything from a ballpoint pen to a sand wedge so ponder this - is it the dagger that is the weapon or the 200 lbs of bone, muscle and sinew with a bad attitude? People like us frighten people like them even when people like us are all that keep people like them from becoming menu items.

[Kingcreek]

Why is it that double edged knives are so frowned upon and downright booed?
Because nobody really NEEDS more than one sharp edge.
They were designed only to stab and kill people and have no legitimate sporting purpose.
They are too dangerous for any but highly trained police and military.

[sonofodin]

Too dangerous? Knives are dangerous....Hammers are dangerous. Cars are dangerous, but I don't seem to have a problem using any of the above...

[Kingcreek]

sorry, my post was entirely sarcastic and meant only to parallel the typical anti- "assault weapon" arguments.
Why is it legal for me to to strap on a fixed blade hunting knife and walk around town, but illegal for me to carry a folding knife with a spring-assisted opening device that takes longer to deploy and is probably smaller and less stout than my hunter? Huh?

[sonofodin]

Ha, clever King. I see what your saying! I have a speed assist SOG, but I never carry it because I don't want to have to explain the damned difference between it and a Switchblade. Usually if I have a hunting knife on my belt and I go into wally world, its out of prying eye's view...