a New Anti-Anti tactic? Thoughts please.


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NukemJim
May 26, 2007, 09:00 AM
After sitting in a state committee hearing on a magazine ban (does not look good but we are not giving up :cuss: ) I was forced to listen to the relatives murder victims. One of their tactics was to have people hold on their lap 8X10 glossies of their murdered relative as they sat and waited. This sends a very loud message.

What if we (the pro gunners) had some 8x10's of some of Olegs works and quitly held them in their hands?

I'm new at this legislative lobbying so have no clue if this is a good idea or not.

Would this be against rules of order, etiquette, or what not?

NukemJim

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bogie
May 26, 2007, 01:45 PM
Everything is fair in politics until a judge tells you that you can't do it. Then you get MORE publicity from it.

NukemJim
May 27, 2007, 01:02 AM
I'm not so worried about the judge as 1) the building security ( after a active shooter a few years ago they are "touchy" 2) even more important I do not want to annoy our sponsors or hurt our cause.

NukemJim

Justin
May 31, 2007, 04:48 PM
Have you spoken with your sponsors about this?

The antis are quite good at playing the propaganda game, and we need to start co-opting their tactics.

NukemJim
June 2, 2007, 01:10 AM
Have you spoken with your sponsors about this?


An inquiry has been made, no response yet. Looks like I will not need it till next year (I think :confused: IL politics are very convoluted.) which would be good gives me time to choose the best of Oleg's work or I may make my own images, customized for IL (While nowhere near Oleg's level of aesthetical mastery, I used to be a professional Medical Photographer) while "borrowing" some of Olegs ideas.

If anyone has any experience with this sort of thing please let me know.
If they tell me "no" on the signs, I am going to get a 6" (or bigger) "Button Maker" I know buttons are allowed.:evil:


NukemJim

Lucky
June 2, 2007, 01:50 AM
Be interesting to confirm if they actually are holding up pictures of their own family members, or just pretending to be related. Sensitive questions like, "what was her middle name?" or "where did she go to school?" "what were her extra curricular activities?" could be slipped into conversation without seeming to be of malicious intent.

NukemJim
June 2, 2007, 12:20 PM
Be interesting to confirm if they actually are holding up pictures of their own family members, or just pretending to be related. Sensitive questions like, "what was her middle name?" or "where did she go to school?" "what were her extra curricular activities?" could be slipped into conversation without seeming to be of malicious intent.


Do not know how it works in other states but in Springfield we were warned NOT to debate that Anti's or their witnesses, that the best thing to do was not to have any interaction with them.

(Sorta, kinda, took some of the fun out of it for me, I love to debate and poke holes in irrational arguments.:evil: :D

NukemJim

bogie
June 2, 2007, 12:31 PM
In a public forum like that, if you "win" a debate using cold hard logic against emotion, you are perceived as being "mean."

Perception is everything. Logic counts for squat.

Taurus 617 CCW
June 2, 2007, 03:27 PM
What doesn't make sense to me is the whole magazine capacity argument to begin with. It's a well known fact that there is no correlation between death and magazine capacity. A person with a single shot pistol can be just as deadly as a person with a hi cap 9mm. :banghead: It all comes down to shot placement.

SaMx
June 2, 2007, 03:58 PM
ask them how many times the person was shot. It's a debate about magazine capacity. "_______" was shot twice, why would it make a difference if the capacity of the magazine was over or under ten? Or if someone was shot 30 times, would they be any deader than if they had been shot once?

jeepmor
June 2, 2007, 04:41 PM
Oleg's imagery may help, but what about images of folks who were actually "saved" by the use or brandishing of a firearm instead. With obvious big and bold letters to state, "A firearm saved my life" or similar tagline on the image.

DontBurnMyFlag
June 2, 2007, 05:15 PM
so its about a magazine ban?

where the stories along the lines of "oh my baby boy was killed in a drug battle. it never woulda happened if their magazine held less than 10 rounds" :scrutiny: :rolleyes:

What relevance does dead family members, as depressing as it is, have to do with a magazine ban?

Lonestar49
June 2, 2007, 06:27 PM
...

Front page color picture of a gun, any gun, and the words under it:

~ Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt ~

Then the first article inside would be a picture of a Car, any car, and this/our new magazines stance that CARS KILL, therefore, NO MORE CARS, and let the Anti gun zealots cry "FOUL, it's not the CARS fault, but the DRIVERS"

Need I go on?

Otherwise, by their own design/thinking, take away the guns, stop the manufacture of them, it will solve these senseless, unneeded deaths, because of the gun itself. Well, same deal with "take away the cars", "as they must be the killers as well.."

Then we turn to the next article of Agreement:

Guns don't just fire on their own, as do cars just drive on their own but, what both have in common is Mankind, be them drunk, irresponsible, desperate, just mad at the world, speeding, not obeying the traffic laws, or not really paying attention.


Next Article, take care of those that "abuse" these items, made by mankind, that in MOST cases, do mankind good, as opposed to bad.

The real problem, with any problem, is MANKIND, not the gun, nor the car, nor the alcohol, nor the drugs, but mankind's "choices, good ones, and bad ones."

Cars can, and do, save lives, as do guns, in the right hands and, just the opposite in the wrong hands.

Next months new magazine will be a continuation: featuring articles, such as;

~ This is Not Higher Math ~ & ~ When Logic Fails ~ & ~ Why Band-aid Fixes really Don't Work ~



LS


Editor's note: CARS KILL FAR MORE PEOPLE and RUIN MORE LIVES every year, thru bad choices, than GUNS.. FAR MORE

SaMx
June 2, 2007, 07:16 PM
alcohol too. http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/ardi/Report.aspx?T=AAM&P=9d3057a6-5cda-416d-ba10-41e7b8ebd521&R=c22869f8-a1d3-48a8-8095-9142c6de5baf&M=1d04dc84-f775-4032-9ab3-75bc10221b2b

junyo
June 2, 2007, 08:30 PM
Oleg's imagery may help, but what about images of folks who were actually "saved" by the use or brandishing of a firearm instead. With obvious big and bold letters to state, "A firearm saved my life" or similar tagline on the image.That's how you fight fire with fire, directly negating their dubious point. Or better yet, t-shirts that say "Ask me how a gun saved my/my Dad's/my Mom's life."

NukemJim
June 2, 2007, 11:23 PM
My initial thought is my Mom holding her G-17 equipped with a LaserMax and Flashlight*.
Also Oleg has a picture exactly for this occasion if I can find it someting about "20 shot handguns have been around for 150 years, prejudice against them is something new"

NukemJim


(*Don't blame me that is what she asked for :eek: My jaw about hit the floor when she asked for the laser :what: But it works, 5 out of her first six shots where located within the Cardiac Silhouete :D Mom's a retired RN and knows what to shoot at :cool:)

Matt King
June 7, 2007, 04:04 PM
Sounds like a good idea. I am pretty new at the whole Second Amendment activism thing, but can anyone sit in on a state committee hearing? I wouldn't mind doing that down here in Texas.

NukemJim
June 8, 2007, 07:40 AM
Texas, I do not know for your state.

Check with the TSRA or some other Texas 2A org, last resort would be the Texas .gov wweb site.

I've heard of many people doing it in different states but each state has it's own laws/rules.

I would suggest getting in contact with someone who knows your states systems and players. I was not surprised to be able to sit and listen. I was shocked that I could have submitted a written statement if I had had it prepared. (If only I had known:mad::cuss:). Several times we've been instructed to do things that make no sense (Go sit in this committee hearing on livestock regulation for as long as you can.:confused: OK, will do :confused: turns out a wavering senato who was expecting an empty committee room hearing had a packed room many of whom wore specially printed yellow T-shirts that read "Illinois Gun Owner Lobby Day". It was an effective tactic to domonstrate opposition to the bill but I would never have been able to participate without guidance.

Good Luck

NukemJim
PS Bismark was right " If you like law or sausages never watch either being made" :scrutiny:

skinnyguy
June 8, 2007, 10:51 AM
Other t-shirt type ideas.

Drowsy drivers kill. Smaller gas tanks can stop the slaughter.

I never knew my aunt, she drowned when she was 3. Smaller lakes and rivers could have saved her life. (true story)

(THR member's sig line) We have enough youth, how about a fountain of SMART?

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