[Aaryq]

Howdy, folks. I don't know if this is a new idea, something that was tried and didn't work or just a lingering idea from the blackpowder muzzle-loading era. Do they make shotgun shells that have a little bit of everything in it (i.e. 2 00 buck, 1 000 buck, a small handfull of #7 and a little #4 all together in one cartridge).

[Oldnamvet]

Hmmmm. And what would that be used for? :confused:

[SDC]

There are a few that mix different shotsizes (mainly for waterfowling, where you might be faced with shots at different ranges), but I've also seen a few "buck and ball"-type loads that included 3 buckshot at the bottom of a shotcup under a slug. I doubt the major ammo manufacturers would be interested in making something like this, but if you're a reloader, you could certainly make some yourself.

[Avenger29]

I have seen shells loaded like the above poster mentions. But I have only seen them available on the internet and at rather high prices.

I question the effectivness of these when compared to a "straight" load, though...

[Aaryq]

I don't know what it would be used for. I'd have to see ballistics results before putting my life in it. Heck, maybe it could be a good in a trail gun or something. I was just wondering if they were commercially availible because it sounds like something "cool" and I'd like to see the pattern on it (and I don't reload so I can't try it myself). I'd still like to see the ballistics for it in 12 ga and .410 bore.

[Avenger29]

Google 'specialty shotgun ammunition'- you should be able to find a website or two with all kinds of these different types of ammunition- like dragon's breath, bird-bombs, flechettes, different types that you won't see in stores. But I'd use them for fun only. Using them for SD would probably not look very good...

You probably won't be able to find much in the way of ballistics information, though.

[Aaryq]

My first hit on Google that actually made sense was...well it was a sight to see. My first thought was it was the guys who make Extreme Shock when they only had the budget of an E1 in the military. http://www.hi-vel.com/Catalog__18/Specialized_Shotshell_Ammuniti/specialized_shotshell_ammuniti.html


...And after only a short trip on google, I can't find anything that doesn't scream super expensive mall ninja junk. All that aside, I have to ask how the ballistics of bolo shot (2 slugs chained together or something like that) and the Buck'n'Ball perform ballisticly.

[Aaryq]

Oooh. Found one for turkey. Duplex Magnum Turkey Load Shotshell, from Remington. I guess it's #4 mixed with #6...With as much #6 that's in it, I wouldn't trust it with my life...that's for sure.

[The Deer Hunter]

I know some guys reload reclaimed shot that has bounced off shot screens(PM me if you wanna know more about shot screens). Although its usually just a mix of #7s #8s and #9s, and some of its deformed.

[Sistema1927]

There have been folks making duplex shotgun loads as long as there have been shotguns. Even the old "buck and ball" loads for muskets.

I don't know how effective most of these combinations would be, but that doesn't stop them from being made.

[Avenger29]

I have to ask how the ballistics of bolo shot

I think that Bolo loads are pretty much useless...

[Aaryq]

Since it's something that I would like to try (multi-shot not bolo), how much would it cost to get into reloading shotgun shells.

*I'm not thinking about getting into reloading just for crazy shot, I would also like to save a few bucks on buckshot.

[sm]

"Multi-loads" are not effective in my opinion.
Back in the day, we were messing with some o-l-d data and recipes for pure fun, education and history.

Remington's Duplex loads came out and we tested these, on Moving Targets.
Lots of things come out when shooting Moving Targets, Bob Brister shares this in his work.

My suggestion is to get Brister's Book.

MEC Single stage Reloader is about $125 - 135 new.
25# bag of shot varies, so figure $25.
Primers, wads, powder costs say another $35-40.

http://www.mecreloaders.com/

http://www.mecreloaders.com/ProductLine/600JrMark5.asp

2 3/4 " shells is all you need.

Read Brister's Book
Get a good Reloading Manual with color pictures of the Hulls + Description of hulls.

s

[Two Cold Soakers]

Rock Salt and Nails

[sm]

WE are not going to get into Exotic Shot now are we? ;)

I mean we ALL know about gun fit to shooter, correct basic fundamentals, using a pattern board to see what our very own shotguns will do at various ranges for various tasks with loads.

Because we KNOW every shotgun and choke are different, and WE do test to know for sure what OUR guns do.

WE Know to get proper lessons, training and continue quality practice and to further enhance our shooting.
Right?

Because we all know one cannot buy skill and targets, from purchasing a particular make, model of gun or brand/ type of ammunition .
Right?

I thought so
I was checking to make sure is all...:scrutiny:

:)

[strambo]

The purpose would be a more flexible load that functions well at shorter range and longer range. I don't think it's worth messin' with personally. If you do it, make sure the lighter pellets are on the bottom and heavier on top. If the heavy pellets are on bottom, they will punch a hole through the pattern as they overtake the light ones down range.

[sm]

Pellet deformation, even with buffering agent, tends to increase shot strings, with multi-loadings of different pellet sizes.

Shot string(s).
Not all "projectiles" arrive at the same time.
This is not "seen" shooting a stationary pattern board, from a stationary position.

Take a garden hose with a trigger sprayer and "shoot" a spray of water at a stationary target, while you hold the sprayer steady.
Notice how all the water did not arrive at the same time?

Adjust sprayer so both a "heavy" and "light" spray are "shot".
Again note the "string" of water and how the two different sprays react to each other [get in the way, obstruct...each other], and "pattern on stationary target.

Now "shoot" while moving the sprayer. :eek:
See the huge difference in movement?
Same would occur if the target was moving.

Projectiles do the same thing.
Shoot a shotgun slug onto a moving target. It will not be "straight" one can see the slug entered "angled".

Pellets when shot onto a moving target appear like the water example, not "round" , instead elliptical, or "tear-drop".

Art & Science

:D

[Dave McCracken]

Just what does commercial and standard buck NOT do that needs to be done?

[MrPeter]

maybe if you went out into the field and weren't sure if you wanted venison (sp?) or phesant that night for dinner, and were wearing pants that had no pockets, so you were limited to your magazine tube?
:neener:

[TrapperReady]

Do they make shotgun shells that have a little bit of everything in it (i.e. 2 00 buck, 1 000 buck, a small handfull of #7 and a little #4 all together in one cartridge).


Loads like this are far more likely to be bad at everything than good at anything. As far as "does anyone make them" or "has this been tried before" -- there is precious little that is truly new. Lots of things have been tried over the year, and it's very telling that the major manufacturers don't offer anything like this currently.

I too am curious to know what the intended purpose would be. I can't think of a single situation where it wouldn't be more beneficial to simply carry a variety of different "standard" loads if you want flexibility.

[sm]

Just what does commercial and standard buck NOT do that needs to be done?

1. Keep Semi-Worthless Dawg from muddying up vehicle seats and eating all the do-nut holes.

2. Remember Wives , Husbands, GFs, BFS and other SOs B-Days, Anniversary and other Special Gift Giving Days to keep folks out of trouble.

3. Tote the dang Deer back .
I sorta miss the Earth being flat, Critters weighing less, and ...

4. Give a voice warning when you are about to step into a bar ditch or stump hole.

5. Blonds, Brunettes, Redheads...IF I gotta explain, then one is too young to appreciate.

:D

[Oldnamvet]

How these FLITESTOPPER type shot loads would work with lead. Anybody tried them out as yet? http://www.federalcartridge.com/default.asp?pg=46

[TrapperReady]

I think that maybe Federal hired Lynn Thompson for their marketing:


* FLITECONTROL wad provides controlled release of FS Steel pellets and longer-range.


OK. Sounds interesting.


* Increases downrange pellet energy.


Standard marketing stuff. Nothing to see here. BTW, larger pellet size would do the same thing.


* FLITESTOPPER steel shot design cuts on impact.


Huh?! Like little broadheads? Maybe the "regular" steel and Hevishot I've used doesn't cut on impact. Maybe it hits the skin and teleports its way in. Maybe it just appears in the bird like magic.


* Increased energy and Knockdown Power™ on waterfowl with larger wound channel.


I like how they trademarked "Knockdown Power". That's a good thing, since I've never seen that combination of words used to reference ammo before. It'd be a shame if others started using that for their own. :rolleyes:

Also, I'm confused by the wording. How much Knockdown Power do you need if you're hunting waterfowl that already have a "larger wound channel".


* Adds 10-15 yards distance to typical waterfowl shots.


In other words... our ammo allows you to shoot at more birds which are outside of your range, therefore making you buy more of our shells. We don't really care if you wound a bunch of birds. In fact, if you limit out by only shooting at birds you know you can hit, we don't make much money, so blast away!!!!

[Sharps-shooter]

the south used buck and ball shot in some muskets during the civil war. I'm not sure what the rationale was. Anyhow, they lost.

[Avenger29]

Anyhow, they lost.

Although not as a result of using buck and ball.

[Fred Fuller]

IIRC the British used some sort of combination load of buckshot and smaller shot in the Browning A-5s and Remington 870s they carried in Malaya during 'The Emergency' in the 1950s. They found shotguns pretty useful in the jungle but I don't recall details of how that load performed.

lpl/nc

[Dave McCracken]

Sharps, so did the North. including the Irish Brigade at Antietam, which helped give Bloody Lane its moniker.

In the 50s, the Brits developed a load for Communist insurgents in Malaya. It combined #6 shot with buck. The paradigm was if the buck didn't kill them immediately, the 6 shot would give them infections untreatable in the jungle.

[telomerase]

I think that Bolo loads are pretty much useless...

They give you a higher chance of cutting the rigging, thus reducing the other ship's maneuverability.

Yarrr.

[foghornl]

I have seen a couple of those "Duplex" loads, but never tried any. IIRC, those rounds were #6 & #4, maybe for turkey hunting?

Although, there is a super-duper monster zombie butt-stomper round, useful against most 'creatures of the night' :neener:

Holy oil & holy water filled silver buckshot, topped off with crucifix-shaped wooden fleschettes :evil::D:evil::D