What if you have residences in different states?


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sonny
June 22, 2003, 10:34 PM
If you live in one state and have a vacation home in another state....... and spend a few months out of the year there
can you purchase and keep firearms in that place as a part time resident?
For example ....you live in NY and spend winters in FLA?
I know many states offer out of state driver licenses for people who wish to keep there home state address,Good only in that state.

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Ex-Doc
June 22, 2003, 10:44 PM
Yes, if otherwise legal. Some states require "proof" of residence to buy certain firearms, which by CA law is a current utility bill for example. You'd be covered in CA. I have friends that have all their "Evil" guns at their place in AZ while living and working in CA. And now with $1,500+ a year car registration fees they register their "Evil" cars in AZ as well; not to mention 9.5% sales tax, coming soon city and county income tax....I could go on all day about the benefits of dual state residences.

sonny
June 22, 2003, 11:26 PM
This subject makes me wonder about the Hollywood elite that have MANY homes in different places

another okie
June 23, 2003, 09:43 AM
The vagueness of English words strikes again.

Residence as a legal concept means the place in which you make your principal home, or to which you intend to return to make your principal home.

Residence in ordinary English means a structure.

You can have as many houses as you want, but you are resident in one place.

Art Eatman
June 23, 2003, 09:50 AM
My wife and I are in a second marriage for each of us situation. We each have our own micro-empires; mine in Texas and hers in Georgia. So, we're back and forth a lot. I know every good coffee joint and El Cheapo gas station along I-10 from Tallahassee to San Antonio, and on out US 90. :)

Guns at both places, and a lot of backing and forthing with seasons and usage.

So far, never a problem.

:), Art

GregoryTech
June 23, 2003, 10:53 AM
You can have as many houses as you want, but you are resident in one place.

If you add "at a time."

According to the BATF faq on their web site, iIf you have a summer home or "reside" in a different state part of the year, you can buy a gun in either state, but you must be residing in the state of purchase at the time of purchase.

Art Eatman
June 23, 2003, 11:50 PM
Dunno about ATF, but commonly your legal residence is where you are registered to vote.

Art

GregoryTech
June 24, 2003, 08:28 AM
Dunno about ATF, but commonly your legal residence is where you are registered to vote.

I don't disagree with your statement, but to the specific question of this thread:

http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm

(B13) May a person who resides in one state and owns property in another state purchase a handgun in either state?

If a person maintains a home in 2 states and resides in both states for certain periods of the year, he or she may, during the period of time the person actually resides in a particular state, purchase a handgun in that state. But simply owning property in another state does not qualify the person to purchase a handgun in that state.

Art Eatman
June 24, 2003, 10:15 AM
GregoryTech: The problem is that of ID. One's driver's license is the normal proof of identity for a 4473, and many states regard it as illegal for one to have a DL from more than one state. Thus you're back to full-bore legality for handgun purchase only in your state of legal residence, plus the adjacent states. (I guess it's still legal to buy a handgun in a neighboring state; the laws have been changed quite a bit...)

There are many contradictions in such matters as ID. For instance, a driver's license is proof of identity but not citizenship. A voter's registration card is proof of citizenship, but not of identity. Go figure.

:), Art

"Bad law breeds contempt for all law."

HankB
June 24, 2003, 10:16 AM
$1,500+ a year car registration fees You're kidding, right? An old beater will cost more to register than the blue book value? :uhoh:

Kharn
June 24, 2003, 10:30 AM
Art: You can only buy a handgun in a state you have residence (assuming you arent an FFL).

I went through this same mess last year, I live 6 months out of the year in Delaware, so I wanted a state ID card saying I lived there. They said the laws just changed and that you could only have a single DL/ID card at a time, one of each or multiples are illegal (at least in Delaware). Some day, I might get around to asking the ATF what would be considered proof of ID/residency if the secondary state of residence refused to issue a photo ID.

Kharn

GregoryTech
June 24, 2003, 11:08 AM
Art: Good point. Perhaps a utility bill and a passport combination would do the trick. Florida issues "Valid in Florida Only" drivers licenses and you don't have to surrender your out-of-state residency or out-of-state drivers license to get one. So part time residents in FL actually can have legal FL identification. I'm curious if the local FFLs honor them or not though.

GinSlinger
June 24, 2003, 01:34 PM
Whatever happened to Article IV Section I??? Full Faith and Credit ring a bell? Texas requires a Texas ID to buy packaged liquor/beer/wine. If I understand this thread correctly, some states require you to have a second ID for a partial year residence. I had a job in MD that was going to last four months, I was informed that I would have 30 days to change my vehicle registration and to get a MD issued ID. Does the Constitution really mean so little?

GinSlinger

Tom B
June 24, 2003, 07:53 PM
It's all about the DL as long as you have had it for at least 90 days. If not it's utility bills, etc...

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