.30-30 or 35 Rem?


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Case82
June 3, 2007, 12:29 AM
I'm looking to sell/trade my Mini 14 for a .30 caliber lever gun. The Mini was strictly a SHTF gun, but I'd like a larger caliber for both hunting and as a SHTF gun. Originally I planned on having a Mini as well as larger caliber hunting rifle, but the wife and kids thing happened :o.
I'm debating between a .30-30 and a 35 Rem. both are Marlin 336's. Which would you recommend considering stopping power, ammo availability etc. I'm not too concerned about range as both are effective out to about 200yds. right? I know .30-30 ammo is available everywhere, but what about 35 Rem?
Thanks

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Gordon
June 3, 2007, 12:37 AM
30-30 ammo is 10 times more available and costs half as much. It shoots flatter and is almost as strong as the .35 with in 100 yards, and carries more energy after that. I love the .35, but as my first/only rifle-no way!:)

rbernie
June 3, 2007, 01:10 AM
There is no doubt that 30/30 ammo is more available and sightly cheaper, but 35 Remington is still available most anywhere I go (excluding big-box sporting goods stores) and I surely don't see a 100% price delta between them.

I prefer the 35 Remington in many ways; it punches a demonstrably larger hole and is more useful across a spectrum of game within 150-200 yards than the 30/30. I also don't understand why ammo availability at BillyBob's gas station would be an appeal. I don't mind buying a few boxes of ammo at a time and building up a stock of 35 Rem ammo...

Unless you're planning on shooting past 200 yards regularly (in which case neither chambering is really great) or can't stand the notion of stocking a handful of boxes of your new rifle's pet loads, I'd suggest that the 35 Remmie is a better choice for all-around use than the 30/30.

scrat
June 3, 2007, 01:15 AM
30-30 by far

1 ammo is cheaper

2 very easy to reload

3 when reloading you can use almost any type of 30 caliber bullet as the case is very adaptable. from 110 grain all the way up to 190 and even 200

4 some people say flat and round nose only. however if you load single you can use pointed.

5 very very versatile way more than a 35. you can make up almost any kind of round.

Sunray
June 3, 2007, 01:17 AM
The .30-30 has a slight edge with factory ammo. There's 1" drop difference, 100fps velocity difference and 100 ft-lbs of energy with 150 grain bullets at 200 yards. Not enough to make a lick of difference ballistically.
.35 Rem ammo is fairly common, but pop into your local Walmart and see if they have any. If the .35 Rem ammo is in one Walmart it'll likely be in all of 'em. Walmart is everywhere, so their stores make a fairly reasonable guage for determining ammo availability. Mind you, Walmart is slowly getting out of firearms stuff retailing.
"...why ammo availability at BillyBob's gas station would be an appeal..." Because if you arrive at your hunt camp, far from civilization, to find you left your ammo on the kitchen table, if you can get some in BillyBob's gas station and you don't have to go home.

scrat
June 3, 2007, 01:21 AM
thats why you have to reload. heck i make my own 30-30 rounds for dirt cheap prices.


but then i cast my own bullets. i cast 120, 150, 170, 180 grain. so all im really buying is primers in bulk and powder in bulk. comes out to i think .05 cents a round cant beat that at all.

trueblue1776
June 3, 2007, 01:23 AM
I'll take the .35, in a Whelen that is.

Avenger29
June 3, 2007, 01:27 AM
The Hornaday Leverevoloution ammunition gives both .30-30 and .35 Rem, along with a few other calibers, extended range. It uses a flexible tip to provide the ability to load a tube magazine with pointed ammunition and not have chainfires. A bit pricey, though.

Clipper
June 3, 2007, 01:44 AM
Comparing 150gr 30-30 to 150gr .35rem is, frankly, a dishonest comparison, since 150 30/30 is an optimum, and optimum in .35 is the 200gr bullet. Now compare and I'll take the .35 every time. I've had both and would NEVER want a 30-30 when I could have a .35...As for the Marlin, whatever you like, but I prefer the Remington M-141 for it's ability to handle non-Leverevolution pointed bullets in it's offset tube mag, though a nice used one costs nearly as much as a new Marlin.

scrat
June 3, 2007, 01:55 AM
disagree but then you are comparing factory ammo. like i said i make my own. when you make your own it opens up a whole new world. the 30-30 is one of the best cases there is. the way its designed makes it very easy to use so many different types of bullets. A reloader can easily match their quality ammo better than most factory ammo. One thing being is the cases will be fire formed to fit that rifle. compared to a sami factory made round. Then like i said ask anyone who reloads both of them. the 30-30 has too many options. than the 35.

kinda reminds me of a 30 carbine. usless. ya 30 carbine is a good gun. but your limited to what you can shoot. you dont see too many 190 grn 30 carbine. i can develop a round to shoot at whatever speed i want it to shoot at.

Eightball
June 3, 2007, 02:02 AM
.35 Rem's more powerful by far within 100, and performs admirably to about 200 yards max (well, as far as I'd shoot one). .30-30 may be more popular, but why would what everyone else buys affect YOUR choice?

Just depends on the average distances YOU plan to be shooting at, and the usual maximum viewdistance where you live; around here, shots to 150 yards are rare, and a .35 would be a much better performer than .30-30.

That, and I like to be just a wee bit different in my firearms. YMMV.

Sunray
June 3, 2007, 02:05 AM
"...frankly, a dishonest comparison..." There's nothing "dishonest" about it. It's a comparison of like bullet weights in factory ammo. The point of the comparison is that the two, with like bullet weights, are very close.
Even with a 200 grain bullet, the .35 Rem drops more, is slower and has less energy at 200 yards with factory ammo than the .30-30. The energy of a 200 grain .35 Rem drops 439 ft-lbs between 100 and 200 yards. Mind you, a 150 grain .30-30 drops 438 ft-lbs, but that compares nothing.
Look for yourself. http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/ballistics/choose_specific_loads.aspx?c1=27&c2=45&c3=
In any case, the 150 grain is not "optimum" for the .30-30 when you can get 170 grain bullets. The 170 grain .30-30 drops less, is faster and has more energy at 200 yards than a 200 grain .35 Rem too.

scrat
June 3, 2007, 02:18 AM
hmmmm

mc223
June 3, 2007, 04:10 AM
35 can be a fun plinker with plain old 38 caliber pistol bullets. 100yd ground hogs are a hoot. But I guess you could do that with about anything.

mnrivrat
June 3, 2007, 05:47 AM
The good news is that you can't make a bad choice here ! LOL

30-30 is a more popular loading and I would guess there is a reason for that born out of all the years both have been available. I give a slight edge to the 30-30 for cost off ammo and availability. Performace wise the difference will likely never be a practical factor for you.

By all means however, if the 30-30 got sold before you get back to the shop, don't be afraid of buying the 35 as there is nothing wrong with either cartridge.

jkingrph
June 3, 2007, 10:19 AM
Personally, I have had more enjoyment out of Dad's old 35 Marlin than any of the prettier 30-30s. I like the bigger hole and the 200 gr Rem Cor loc. Then for fun stick a 158gr semi wadcutter for a 38/357 over a few gr of 2400 or Unique( cannot remember load) for no recoil plinkers and brass lasts almost forever doing this.

Case82
June 5, 2007, 09:27 PM
This may sound like a silly question, but none the less it is an honest one, can I safely use softpoint ammunition in a tubular magazine? Not Pointed SoftPoint, but just SoftPoint. All the local stores have 35 ammo, but I've only seen 200gr. SP's.
I'm leaning toward the 35 over the .30-30 as it has slightly more power and the larger caliber appeals to me, plain and simple. I plan on acquiring either a 270 or .30-06 down the road, so I'm not too concerned about the range of the 35, I just want a hard hitting rifle that I can keep behind the seat in the truck :) and I think the Marlin 336/35 Rem is it.
At 200 yds, the 35 has about 150 less ft. lbs. than the .30-30 right? This is the max. range I would likely shoot with the 35 and this doesn't seem like a significant difference to me. Let me know what you think.

SoCalShooter
June 5, 2007, 09:38 PM
Go with 30-30 tried and true, not to mention cheap and available.

Gordon
June 5, 2007, 09:49 PM
OK, if you want to do it, the 200 Remington Coreloktd soft point is 'da bomb' in a factory load. It open up to almost 3/4" to 125+ yards. and I have put them thru 400 pound boar.All factory ammo is tube magazine safe.
My favorite load is a 180 grain speer at 2200fps from a: Model 14 Rem pump, a model 8 Rem semi, a 16" Marlin Marauder(100fps slower) and a 20" Marlin 336. I shoot the Super 14" Contender with that load too. In my xp100R & Model 600 Remingtons only:I paint the case heads red and get another 200fps with higher pressure bolt gun only loads. ;)

Alagator
June 6, 2007, 05:11 AM
I used a Winchester 30-30 for feral hogs in Florida and Georgia, and had a bad experience with a running boar (shot placement went downhill quickly, as he was running TOWARDS me). Switched to a Marlin 336 35 Rem and put them on the ground quicker. Also found the 35 to be a good "jump gun" for close range deer. Trajectory didn't matter, all these shots were inside 70 yards.

GooseGestapo
June 6, 2007, 08:32 AM
I have both and love both.
Get one of EACH !

With handloads carefully crafted, the .35rem is definitely a bit more cartridge than the .30/30.
With it's larger case volumn and larger bore, it can't help but be a bit more. The disadvantage the .35 suffers is that the SAAMI pressure spec's. keep it down in the factory ammo. Even at that, the factory ammo is a tad bit more effective for most applications than the .30/30. However, most hunters won't readily percieve the difference.

With "warm" handloads, the difference is more pronounced. The .35 definitely has an edge.
My favorite .35 load is 40.0gr of H4895 under a 200gr Remington CorLokt for just under 2,300fps from my Marlin 336C (20"bbl). (note: this load is 1.5gr HIGHER than listed max. it is safe in MY rifle, use with extream caution and approach from below in SMALL increments.)
This load kills deer and pigs like the "hammer of thor". I've only recovered one, from a ~200lb buck shot with a "Texas heart shot"- into the left ham, breaking the femur just below the hip socket and proceeding to transit the torso and broke the humerous on the opposite (right shoulder), and was balled up under the hide. Final weight was 187.5gr and looked like the ad's in the magazines for Corlokts- "deadliest mushroom in the woods" from some years back. Not to mention that this load shoot to under MOA from my rifle.

However, I have a distinct fondness for the Remingtion 150 and 170gr Corlokts from my .30/30. I prefer 35.0gr of RL-15 with the 150, and 33.0gr of RL-15 with the 170. Performance is just a "notch" below the .35, and have never failed to perform in the woods, where it "counts".

Like another poster stated, you really can't go wrong with either.
For much-much more info, go to www.marlinowners.com

Sav .250
June 7, 2007, 05:30 PM
Both the 30-30 and .35 are good rounds but with the new Hornady LE ammo
i`d go with the .35. Cause i have a 336RC in .35.
They ( Hornady) says this new ammo makes the 30-30 // .35 serious 200
yard shooters. Beyond that if set up right.
What ever you end up with i`m sure you`ll enjoy either.

irishvet
June 7, 2007, 05:44 PM
I dropped:what: my first deer with the .35 Rem in a TC hunter sitting in a tree in the middle of a snow storm. To me nothing can compare.

Geno
June 7, 2007, 05:58 PM
I have owned Marlin lever actions in both, and both are factually excellent rounds. Both can be improved with reloading, however, the .30-30 Win has the edge over the .35 Rem in reloads.

The edge is not for power, it is for reliable forming and resizing of the brass. If you are not careful, the .35 Rem can set back the brass and deform. The .30-30 Win brass is not even close to being as easily damaged as the .35 Rem brass. This not just my experience. I have spoken with many hunters/reloaders who share that opinion. For me, I'll take the .30-30 Win due to cost of reloading components. The cost of 35 caliber projectiles is much more than 30.

Might I suggest a T/C Contender or Encore? Get the carbine and never look back! That lever action will never give you the 1" at 100 yards guarantee that ALL T/Cs have. Then, you can buy a barrel in both calibers. :D

JMHO.

Doc2005

yongxingfreesty
June 7, 2007, 06:07 PM
30-30 for the win.

$10 bucks a box of 20rnds and the new hornady leverevolution ammo with the red tip is hot.

CZguy
June 7, 2007, 07:03 PM
I own one of each, and you really can't go wrong no matter which one you decide on. :)

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