[Black92LX]

**Disclaimer I meet the requirement of HR 218**
I am headed to NYC for vacation next month. Just curious about carrying in NYC. I know that NY prohibits privately owned stores from stopping CCW. But my question is what about the subways and tourist places like the empire state building.

[jpk1md]

Carrying in NYC?

No
No and NO.

Go directly to Jail, do not pass go.

You will go to jail if you so much as cross into the State of NY with a Handgun.

No joke.....its posted on EVERY SIGN ON THE NY BORDER!

[Black92LX]

Apparently you did not read the disclaimer!!!!

[springmom]

:uhoh: What is HR 218????

Springmom

[General Geoff]

I think it's off-duty police officer national CCW reciprocity.

[Black92LX]

Geoff is Correct.

Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act
http://njlawman.com/Feature%20Pieces/HR%20218.htm

[geekWithA.45]

Last time I went up the empire state, they had metal detectors. Be prepared to explain yourself.

Last time I rode the subway, they had flushed the 4th down the sewer, and inspected bags and whatnot at whim. Be prepared to explain yourself.

The last time I entered a skyscraper for biz, I went through a metal detector, and they x-rayed my bags, just like flying circa 1988. Be prepared to explain yourself.

4th amendment? We don't need no steeenking 4th amendment.

Seriously, you should need a passport to go there, because it sure isn't like the rest of America.

In fact, come to think of it, I got less nonsense from the Russians, only 10 years after they gave up communism.

[jester5167]

I have heard of many police officers being SERIOUSLY harrassed for carrying under HR 218 in NYC. I would not be suprised if you were detained by national gaurd at various tourist hot spots for a few hours while everything gets sorted out. Anytime you enter a public attraction you will be searched if they uncover a firearm it will be a nightmare. You wont be charged with anything but you will be annoyed and delayed.

[MICHAEL T]

I guess you can be the test case in NYC . I don't belive they follow any laws but their own in that commie city and state not much better. Contact the NY Atty General and see their answer.

[jobu07]

Tread lightly if you go ahead with this. NYC is a different animal than any other urban area in this nation...

[Black92LX]

how about info from folks who have actually done it and not the hearsay you are in for it scenerios?

Message from a former NYPD officer
"You'll be fine. NYPD is totally in line with HR 218. Last time I was there, we were out with a bunch of FL cops who were carrying. They even took a tour of 1 Police Plaza (NYPD HQ) while strapped."

I am more interested in the places that are posted.

[USMC6177]

I don't belive they follow any laws but their own in that commie city and state not much better.
The state would be great if we could get New Jersey to take NYC off our hands.




Unless you are a state or federal officer be prepared to be hassled. My father is a retired NYS DEC investigator and carries down there every once in a while but still gets hassled even though he is an retired officer from the state of NY

[Prince Yamato]

If you're in compliance with federal law AND you're a former cop, they'd better not give you crap. If they do and said offender is a liberal, bust out the, "but I'm former LAW ENFORCEMENT". Just repsond with the highlighted phrase to everything they say.

"Sir, you had a weapon on you. You were in compliance with the law but-"

"but I'm former LAW ENFORCEMENT"

"Yes sir, but according to NYC protocals"

"but I'm former LAW ENFORCEMENT"

"Why are you carrying? Most people in NYC don't carry"

"but I'm former LAW ENFORCEMENT"

[romma]

As long as you are legal, why not. I know I would,,, hassles be damned!

[Sistema1927]

Why should a law enforcement officer outside of his jurisdiction have any more rights than the rest of us?

[Black92LX]

Why should a law enforcement officer outside of his jurisdiction have any more rights than the rest of us?
I think CCW should be open to all nonfelons anytime anywhere. But I will use the laws to my advantage. But I will also fight for those that can't carry.

[Jorg]

Why should a law enforcement officer outside of his jurisdiction have any more rights than the rest of us?

This was already beat to death in this thread:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=273829

[30 cal slob]

who the heck is gonna know if you've got good concealment?

subways don't have metal detectors in them.

NYPD and the national guard in the subways and commuter rails don't look for every bulge on your torso. In fact, they look really bored.

if you run across a metal detector, just tell folks you're a cop.

[Bones11b]

NYC isn't as bad as it seems to outsiders. I have a friend who works security at Boomers in time square. He has a ccw and carries to and from work using public transportation (subway and buses). He has yet to have an issue concerning his weapon. As far as seeing some of the sites just discretly inquire with the security personell as to their policies and I don't forsee any problems.

[scurtis_34471]

In fact, come to think of it, I got less nonsense from the Russians, only 10 years after they gave up communism.


NY gave up communism?

[Steve in PA]

Funny, on all the LEO boards and other boards that have LEO members.....and going to firearms training events, I've never heard of any LEO being hassled by NYPD. In fact, its quite the opposite.

[Jeff White]

I've had the same experience as Steve on this issue. Everyone on the LE boards that have actually done it has nothing but good things to say about how NYPD treats brother and sister officers. Lots of stories about how the credentials opened doors, got them tips to the best lessor known restaurants....

From what I understand NYPD treats other officers like they are golden. Enjoy your trip.

Jeff

[davhina]

triple dog NO
want to go to jail?:eek:

[Jorg]

triple dog NO
want to go to jail?

And the award for failure to read any of the thread goes to...

[davhina]

who the heck is gonna know if you've got good concealment?
that works right up until the time you get caught...then end up in Rikers Island...carry in nyc and you will have an opportunity for that wonderful experience

[jeepmor]

DON'T GET CAUGHT!!!

and you'll be fine. I suppose you could go somewhere, just not everywhere. No tourist attractions, no hotspots, no big buildings to see the skyline, etc. Of course, your family will have plenty of time while you are detained everywhere.

I never want to see NY except in pictures....good luck man, you'll need it.

jeepmor

[Norm357]

Whole heap of ignorance been posted in this thread.

[jpk1md]

black92, I used to live in NY and honestly wish you the best of luck....I really hope you don't get hassled if you're entitled under the law to CCW in NY.

MY experience after living in NY for many years is that the Police don't care what you say the law is....they WILL put you through the ringer, detain you, charge you and put you through the court system where everyone is entitled to their day in court complete with the expensive lawyer fees....I suggest that you get a lawyer familiar with NY Law in advance just to be safe.....

From past experience you will either have NO problems at all or it will become the worst level of personal hell that you can possibly imagine and you will be forced to put up a large pile of greenbacks to prove your innocence...yes thats correct....in NY you need to prove your innocence.....NYC is NOT part of the US like all of the maps show...its actually a police city/state.....some of this is tongue in cheek humor but most is not.

Let us know how it goes and whether or not you get the opportunity to enjoy your trip/vaca.

[Norm357]

I've had the same experience as Steve on this issue. Everyone on the LE boards that have actually done it has nothing but good things to say about how NYPD treats brother and sister officers. Lots of stories about how the credentials opened doors, got them tips to the best lessor known restaurants....

From what I understand NYPD treats other officers like they are golden. Enjoy your trip.

Jeff

This is in fact, what happens.

The last time my Wife and I were in the City,(She is the Cop, not me) the NYPD that we had contact with treated us great!

When she checked in with Security at the Empire State Building, we were rushed to the head of the line.

Hanging at the FOP(?) bar, we bought not a single drink as the NYPD cops were busting their butts to keep our glasses full.

I dont have a problem talking trash about NYC politicians, gun politics, and NYC liberals, but the NYPD has always treated us great.

[IndianaBoy]

It's a damn shame that this discussion is even going on. NY will never see a penny of my money.

That's probably for the best, this redneck wouldn't fit in.

[BullfrogKen]

Black92LX said: how about info from folks who have actually done it and not the hearsay you are in for it scenerios?

Like anything else, its probably hit or miss.

Some have good experiences . . . like those you've read. Or, I can tell you the story of a Maryland Officer who went upstate to pick up a fugitive in custody. Driving his prisoner back through NYC, in a marked car with lights on, he was stopped for speeding. He was in uniform.

He was taken into custody. The charge - possession of an unregistered handgun in the City. He was put into holding, with his prisoner locked in the next cell. Why? Who knows. Maybe there was some bad blood between those two departments. Not until our intrepid Officer's Commander called was he released and sent on his way.


This was before HR 218. Whether HR 218 would have had anything to do with this incident is probably a mute point. You asked for other stories, so I supplied one. I do think its a remote possibility you'll have problems. But, why ask those of us on the internet? Call the departments working where you'll visit, tell them who you are, and ask them their position on you carrying in their jurisdiction. That way, if anyone does give you a problem, let them know you cleared it with Captain So and So.

The Federal facilities, you're on your own there.

[MilsurpShooter]

http://njlawman.com/Feature%20Pieces/HR%20218.htm

That's HR 218. I'm not an official, not a lawyer, but there's one law on the books in both NYC and Westchester that would have me calling and double checking. You see, here in Westchester and NYC in order to own a handgun, just own, you need a New York State Pistol Permit. If you have a handgun, and you don't have that permit it's an un-registered and illegal firearm. Now I don't know how that relates to out of state or how it relates to 218 but it's something I would check just for ease of mind. I'd call up the NYPD or the ATF and get written confirmation that it's legal, just in case something should happen

Best of luck to you

[NeverAgain26]

You might be 100% within your rights, but do you think every NYC LEO knows all about every law? I once asked some NYC LEO's about whether the assisted opening folder I carry was legal in NYC and got different answers from different officers.

If you want to stand on principal, more power to you. Just keep your cool when you run into an NYC LEO who is unfamiliar with the law. Let him get a supervisor or Captain on the radio.

These guys deal with a lot of wise-guys and some attitude is necessary, but sometimes some of them overdo it.

Like any place there are some good cops and some ignorant ones with attitude. If you run into the latter, keep your cool and sort it out.

Good luck and enjoy the Big Apple.

NA26

[geekWithA.45]

I find the stark dichotomy of the citizen and LEO experience of being armed in NYC to be disturbing, but that's really been beaten to death.

I'm simply noting it for the record.

[never_retreat]

USMC6177
The state would be great if we could get New Jersey to take NYC off our hands.
We got enough problems over here without your crap.

[USMC6177]

We got enough problems over here without your crap.


Come on man all we are asking is to recoup losses............how much does a string of beads and a few blankets run these days?

[K-Romulus]

As far as "posted no CCW" places, I haven't seen any such sign at a NYC private business - ever. It just isn't on the radar.

[ilbob]

Why should a law enforcement officer outside of his jurisdiction have any more rights than the rest of us?

A better question is:

Why should a law enforcement officer have any more rights than the rest of us?

[44AMP]

One is that as a civilian, the NYS pistol permit is not valid in NYC. Only a permit issued in NYC is valid there. This likely will not be relevant to a visiting LEO, but it is the law for people who love there.

The other thing concerns knowledge of the law by all the officers you may meet. I would suggest getting a copy of the relevant law, AND something in writing from NYC police, and having it on your person whenever you are armed. If you are polite, the papers may prevent an uninformed NYC LEO from wasting more of his and your time than necessary. It may not, but what can it hurt?

A friend of mine lives in a state where motorcycle helmets are the law. Unless you have a registered antique motorcycle, which he does. When he rides his registered antique bike without a helmet, he carries a copy of the law with him. When stopped, he shows it to the officers. He says it get him out of half of the tickets. The other half write the ticket, and say "If you are right, the Judge will throw it out".

You may have a similar situation with some NYC LEOs, and if you do, a copy of the regs, and a letter from the State/City AG might just defuse the situation.
Good Luck.

[secamp32]

you should be fine in NYC. Professional courtesy is big in NYC. If you are another LEO covered by HR218 you might have a harder time.

[AF_INT1N0]

Don't worry,
Under 218 being LEO you should be fine. If you were a mere surf (see unwashed citizen/ tax payer, you'd have your rights trampled on by the New York Gestapo, but being the equivilent of a party member you should be OK.

Crap like this makes me think I'm deployed to the wrong country eliminating the wrong warlords. :fire:

Nothin Personal Black92LX you didn't write the bill and your probably not one of the high up LEO association officials that hung NRA, GOA regular folks that pushed for 218 out to dry once it was passed. It's just kind of a sore subject for some of us.

That being said have a good trip, I've heard there plenty of things to do in the Big Apple.

[Autolycus]

Shouldnt out of state LEOs have to register there guns at least? I mean I understand they have the ability to carry them unhindered but shouldnt they be forced to register them as the city requires? I believe even NYPD officers have to register their firearms. If I was an evil NYC prosecutor and wanted to make a hassle for someone that would be my argument.

And as a civilian who believes that rights should apply to everyone equally this is my view. Either we lose the registration and all the gun laws that create seperate classes of people or we apply it to everyone from LEOs to politicians to everyone else.

Either way I have heard nothing but positive experiences from officers in regards to NYPD and HR 218. It seems that they take care of each other and they will help you out.

[RPCVYemen]

If you were a mere surf ...

Now you have got me guessing. Do you mean "serf", as in a peasant working on a medieval estate. Or is "surf" a bit of new slang for civilians implying something about surfer and slackers?

Mike

[Danus ex]

1. NYC = police citystate
2. You = police
3. Enjoy your trip!

[AF_INT1N0]

Sorry.. no sleep will do that to ya.

I meant Serf as in peasant or unwashed masses. Or in this case non titled individuals, those with less than a couple million in the bank or non celebrity. See also those too stupid not educated enough or not Pro-fes-in-ul enuf to handle the Glock FOE TEE..:barf:

Those unworthy of the "priviledge" of self defense.

[BullfrogKen]

OK . . . This has gone on quite long enough.