Is a Glock 29 impractical as a CCW pistol?


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MikePGS
June 7, 2007, 11:37 PM
I was kinda sorta thinking about getting one for ccw purposes, but there are a few unresolved questions still chewing at me. Is 10mm too powerfull? I know that the FBI developed it due to the Miami shootout, but is it too much gun for everday social situations? Also i've heard a few people say that this gun in particular is a bit blocky. I held one at the local gander mountain, and it did feel like more than a handful... but does that mean its difficult to conceal? Please if anyone could help me resolve these issues (and please don't even take into consideration the fact that its a glock, or that the ammunition can be expensive) it would be greatly appreciated.

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whatbrick
June 7, 2007, 11:55 PM
Check out the ballistics on various 10mm loads and you should see that overpenetration is not an issue. Here's some data from some Double Tap loads, which is generally considered to be some of the hotter 10mm rounds available:

DoubleTap 10mm (Bullet @ velocity - Penetration / Expansion)
135gr JHP @ 1600fps - 11.0" / .70" frag nasty
155gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1475fps - 13.5" / .88"
165gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1400fps - 14.25" / 1.02"
165gr Golden Saber JHP @ 1425fps - 14.75" / .82"
180gr Golden Saber JHP @ 1330fps - 16.0" / .85"
180gr XTP @ 1350fps – 17.25” / .77”
180gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1300fps - 15.25" / .96"
200gr XTP @ 1250fps - 19.5" / .72"
230gr Equalizer @ 1040fps - 11.0" and 17.0" / .62" and .40"

As for concealability, that depends on your body-type and how you choose to carry. For instance, I successfully carry a Glock 21 concealed, which is the same width as a Glock 29, but has a longer barrel/slide and grip. Not everyone can (or wants to), but it's possible. I would have no problems making that Glock 29 disappear.

The best thing to do is to shoot one for yourself (I know, easier said than done).

CPshooter
June 8, 2007, 03:12 AM
It really is up to you.. there's no way to determine what is "too much."

Personally, I am a fan of thin, single stack guns for concealed carry. I would never dare shove that 10mm brick of a gun in my pants...most Glocks are still too blocky for me to wear in a IWB holster. The only one I'd consider is the G36 which is the "slimline" single stack .45 ACP. It is much MUCH thinner than the 10mm Glocks, and still gives you enough .45ACP to put a big 'ole hole in your target while being much more controllable when shooting.

I would only recommend the 10mm in the full-size version if and only if you tend to go in dangerous woods areas frequently. Some people want it just to have a 10mm, but I wouldn't waste my money. This is all just my opinion, so take it as you'd like. Good luck:)

Soybomb
June 8, 2007, 06:09 AM
I don't have the dimensions in front of me but the g29 feels quite similar in size to me as a g19, something that alot of people carry. Its a fine defensive round when loaded with quality ammo too.

envonge
June 8, 2007, 08:24 AM
Hello,

Just curious but what does "frag nasty" mean?

Thanks

Geno
June 8, 2007, 08:54 AM
I have rented these, but have not CCWd them. Re: 10MM being too powerful for social situations, what pistol isn't? Any and all caliber pistols risk over-penetration in congested social areas. My concern Re: the 10MM is the cost and avilability of ammunition. For me, I would like a 1911 in 10MM, with a 4" barrel. That would resolve the blocky factor.

If it is Glock that you want, you mentioned the G19...awesome pstol! I carry one. You might also consider the G30, or even better, the G36! But, again, I come back to the 1911. A 3" 1911 will be less blocky. You're treading difficult terrain here. Deciding on a small, effective and reliable CCW is difficult. There are several that are excellent. How to weed-out the herd and determine the best. For me, fit is king. What feels best in the hand is what I would get.

whatbrick
June 8, 2007, 12:38 PM
I'm not entirely sure what "frag nasty" is supposed to mean, but I believe it's the words Mike McNett (Double Tap guy) used to describe the ballistic performance of that load in a gel test. Others have tested that load in various other tests and have come to the same conclusion, and it seems to be the cartridge of choice for carry purposes. Make of that what you will.

ARTiger
June 8, 2007, 12:43 PM
I carried a G29 OWB most cool weather months for 4 years until recently. Now carrying a Walther P99cAS. Loved the G29's shootability. It handles 10mm rounds great considering the size of the gun. Only downside and why I eventually got rid of it was ammo cost and availability.

CountGlockula
June 8, 2007, 01:04 PM
Mike, you're good to go. It's a baby Glock, therefore made for conceal carry.
And if it seems too "blocky", try it with an IWB holster at 3-4 'o clock and you'll be satisfied.

DHart
June 8, 2007, 05:49 PM
Let's start with this.... any choice you make involves having to make one or more compromises in something! This is a LAW. There is no perfect choice. But I think some choices are generally better than others when you consider all the factors at play.

Having a G29 and a G30, G19, and G23 (as well as a bunch of other suitable choices for CCW including 1911's, S&W M&P 40 Compact, PM-9, revos...) I would steer you away from the G29 and toward a G23, 19, or G30 if you don't mind the blockiness. Both the G30 and the G29 (same gun, really, just in 10mm and .45 acp) are very blocky feeling in the hand... they're not hard to conceal, but IWB they are noticibly thicker than the 23/19 options.

The Glock 19 and 23 are the two most popular Glocks... by far, and for good reason... their combination of not too big/not too small, excellent capacity (15+1 and 13+1 respectively), comfortable shooting, relatively quick return to target, chambered in totally mainstream calibers available in a huge variety of options pretty much everywhere, make for a choice that simply makes a LOT of sense for CCW.

As for caliber, I have 10mm in Delta Elite, Razorback, and Glock 29. For the caliber, the 29 is my least favorite platform. I just don't enjoy shooting it as much as any of my other guns... while it handles 10mm ok, it's definitely a bit brutish and for street-defense use, I honestly think a somewhat softer shooting big bore like the .45 (nice soft push) or .40 (moderate "snap") are better overall defense rounds.

Honestly, if you hit your target well, two or three times, quickly!, with any of these calibers, you can expect relatively comparable stopping power. Don't get me wrong, 10mm can be a very potent and effective defense round... but it just brings along with it some downsides that you should seriously consider and which tend to work against this choice for street defense (brutish recoil/slower recovery time, ammo expense, ammo not as readily available, nor in near the variety of options as 9, 40, 45).

For a woods gun or hunting sidearm, 10mm is AWESOME... especially in an all-steel, full size 1911! But for CCW in street environments, I really think that the 19/23 are sounder choices... high capacity (16- and 14-rounds), thinner and easy to conceal, not too thick/blocky feeling in the hand, good defense ballistics with the right ammo, reasonable ammo cost, readily available ammo EVERYWHERE.

Therefore, I would recommend that you pick what most buyers for CCW pick from the Glock line up: the 19 or 23.

Alternatively, if you really want the "fat-boy" style Glock, I would suggest you strongly consider the 30 instead of the 29... I think you'll like the 30 a lot more. I like my 30 a lot more than my 29. In my experience with both guns, compared to the 29, the 30 is softer shooting, more enjoyable to shoot, more economical ammunition wise, ammo is MUCH more readily available everywhere, my return to target is a bit faster, and I can shoot many more rounds through the 30 before my hand starts feeling abused than I can with the 29. When I shoot my 29, I’m done with it after five or six mag-fulls. With the 30, I’m happy to continue shooting many more mags.

Remember that shooting/practicing more and more often is MUCH better than not shooting very much. I think you're more likely to shoot a 19, 23, or 30 much MORE than you may shoot a 29. Of course, some people do shoot a LOT with their 29’s - I’m just not one of them. And if you do go with a 29, may I strongly suggest you begin reloading, if you don't already. 10mm is a caliber for which reloading REALLY makes a lot of sense.

10mm is a cool caliber for sure, but in my view, much more of a "niche caliber" and not the best of all choices in street defense guns, as far as I'm concerned. I’m really happy that I got into shooting ten, but 10mm has NOT replaced 9, 40, and 45 as my CCW choices.

10-Ring
June 8, 2007, 06:06 PM
As long as you can shoot it effectively, conceal it easily and hold it comfortably, the 10mm makes for a nice SD round & the Glock is a nice platform for that round.

CountGlockula
June 8, 2007, 06:19 PM
Good analysis DHart!

harrygunner
June 8, 2007, 08:39 PM
I carry my G29 in a Comp-Tac CTAC holster. In that holster
the gun conceals nicely.

I find 10mm ammo easily, FMJ at the range I go to, Silver Tips
at gun stores and 'Double Tap' ammo by mail.

Recoil is subjective. I shoot enough to where I literally
don't notice recoil in any of my "service class" pistols,
including my G29.

I shot hundreds of rounds last week, drawing from concealment
and shooting into a 4" diameter target circle. I remember the
sight picture, my draw, reacquiring the target, how I was handling
reloading magazines, hits on paper. But, I don't remember
the recoil of the pistol.

We agree service class handguns are weak. We carry them for
convenience or to fight our way to a long gun. So, I'm
convinced recoiling from the recoil of service pistols can
be reasoned away by anyone willing to assess their habits.

Chev.James
June 8, 2007, 09:45 PM
My favorite CCW weapon is the Glock 29 in a High Noon holster with belt snaps. The 10mm round is the most powerful you can carry in "service pistol" size, and my personal philosophy is that one should go with the most powerful round one can reasonably carry. I'd LOVE to see a 10mm in a single stack pistol like the Glock 36--but I can manage with the Model 29. This pistol has never jammed, not ever, with hundreds of rounds fired through it. I can hit with it exceptionally well. I have some handloads with 155-grain bullets loaded to 1400 fps (in a five-inch barrel), and these plus the Cor-Bons serve well. I've never had to use it--thank God--but I do not feel undergunned when wearing it! Funny thing--the two times in my life when I had a gun and did have to use it, it was a .32 ACP!

CCH
June 8, 2007, 10:59 PM
I carried one IWB in a Blade-Tech holster for a few years. It is certainly concealable, but personally I prefer something thinner. Control was not a problem. I primarily used Winchester Silvertips which are not particularly hot. If you like Glocks and are looking for more power, the G29 is tough to beat.

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