CO - Larimer Co. Sheriff Alderden on CCW on Campus


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KnifeLawGuy
June 8, 2007, 06:55 PM
Saw a news blurb on Fox News regarding Larimer County, CO Sheriff Jim Alderden's position on CCW on campus.

From the Sheriff's website: http://www.co.larimer.co.us/sheriff/bulls_Eye/BullEye.htm

COULD IT HAPPEN HERE
By Sheriff Jim Alderden

Following the tragic events at Virginia Tech, I was frequently asked if something like that could happen here. The sad truth is something like that could easily happen here, and most anyplace else. Many on the far left were quick to call for yet more gun control, but I donít believe more or tougher gun control laws is the answer. Criminals and like minded individuals are always going to ignore the law and find ways to get guns, or if not firearms, other weapons or means to carry out their schemes. One of the real tragedies of the situation at Virginia Tech is that misguided administrators created a gun free zone where someone like this crazed individual could prey on other students, staff and faculty who were powerless to defend themselves. Their philosophy of keeping guns out of the hands of sane and law abiding citizens on campus potentially contributed to the tragic results. Locally, we are fortunate that at Colorado State University, the administrators have shown more common sense and recognize that a firearm in the hands of a law abiding citizens who frequent the campus is not a risk but could be a deterrent to violent criminal activity. While there are a number of students, staff and faculty at CSU who have Concealed Weapons Permits, admittedly, the chance of one of them being at right place at the right time to intervene is small, but compare this to the situation at Virginia Tech where there was no chance.

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Read the rest of the article at the above link.

Sounds like the good folks of Larimer County, CO have a decent, pro-self-defense Sheriff.

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jlbraun
June 8, 2007, 07:58 PM
Go, Sheriff Jim! I live here and didn't hear about this.

Time to write him another letter... :)

The-Fly
June 8, 2007, 11:41 PM
Sheriff Alderen is a great sheriff. He'll sign off on NFA stuff without hassle. Before Colorado was shall issue, he WAS. I've met a LOT of people in Larimer county who've had permits long before the rest of the state got em.

Autolycus
June 9, 2007, 12:08 AM
Its always nice to see LE supporting the rights of the people. Hopefully this man stays employed for a long long time.

obxned
June 9, 2007, 12:30 AM
Nice to hear that common sense can still be found in Colorado.

jselvy
June 9, 2007, 06:17 AM
Now this LEO is a Gent and he deserves all the praise I can muster for this public stand.
I really wish men like him were the rule rather than the exception.

Jefferson

Titan6
June 9, 2007, 07:07 AM
Now if only there were few thousand more like him.

eric_t12
June 9, 2007, 08:41 AM
+1 for power in the hands of understanding people.

Is there anyone else who has noticed how we are touted 'pro-gunners' because we want more liberties for everyone who wishes to exercise them, while 'anti-gunners' are advocating less to NO liberty (at least as far as the Second is concerned) for ANYONE except the police/military (and of course criminals since they don't have to follow the law in the first place)?

People like this Sheriff are the ones we should all HOPE to have in power around us. :D

Hanzerik
June 9, 2007, 09:19 AM
When I was browsing the Laramie County Sheriff’s department page looking for info on woman’s handgun safety classes for my wife, I clicked a link and got all warm and fuzzy when I start reading that page...until I figured out it was for Larimer County CO. Not sure why they had a link from a WY sheriff webpage to a CO Sheriff Webpage.

Czar
June 9, 2007, 01:33 PM
As a CSU Alum, I miss Ft. Collins for a number of reasons...


Fortunatly shall-issue caught up with where I live...

Robert Hairless
June 11, 2007, 02:22 PM
The rest of the article is interesting too. I've posted the entire article because the omitted portion is substantial and significant.

I'm not suggesting that the original poster had any ominous motive. I think, though, that we tend to see mostly what we want to see. Tunnel vision prevents us from seeing what we don't want to see but should.

In this instance Sheriff Alderden described at length a situation in which he has reason to believe that the present situation with respect to mental illness and firearms ownership is seriously flawed. The person he offers as an example is a non-adjudicated mentally ill person who, he believes, should not own or have access to firearms.

There are many messages in this forum that protest NRA participation in a bill that would tighten the reporting of adjudicated mentally ill people. Several of those messages defend a right of both adjudicated and non-adjudicated mentally ill to own and acquire guns. Do Sheriff Alderden's comments in the omitted portion of this article reflect on that dialogue?

(It's not a trick question and I don't have the answer. I do believe that the situation is more complex than it seems to be at first glance and that it requires other than knee-jerk reactions.)


COULD IT HAPPEN HERE
By Sheriff Jim Alderden

Following the tragic events at Virginia Tech, I was frequently asked if something like that could happen here. The sad truth is something like that could easily happen here, and most anyplace else. Many on the far left were quick to call for yet more gun control, but I don’t believe more or tougher gun control laws is the answer. Criminals and like minded individuals are always going to ignore the law and find ways to get guns, or if not firearms, other weapons or means to carry out their schemes. One of the real tragedies of the situation at Virginia Tech is that misguided administrators created a gun free zone where someone like this crazed individual could prey on other students, staff and faculty who were powerless to defend themselves. Their philosophy of keeping guns out of the hands of sane and law abiding citizens on campus potentially contributed to the tragic results. Locally, we are fortunate that at Colorado State University, the administrators have shown more common sense and recognize that a firearm in the hands of a law abiding citizens who frequent the campus is not a risk but could be a deterrent to violent criminal activity. While there are a number of students, staff and faculty at CSU who have Concealed Weapons Permits, admittedly, the chance of one of them being at right place at the right time to intervene is small, but compare this to the situation at Virginia Tech where there was no chance.

[The omitted portion is below]

That said, availability of guns or lack of concealed weapons isn’t the primary cause of the events at Virginia Tech. Their real problem, and the problem we face here, is the inability of the system to adequately address the issue of mental illness. The authorities in Virginia knew the shooter was dangerously mentally ill, but couldn’t prevent his killing spree. Throughout Larimer County and our local municipalities there are many individuals who are just as tormented and demented as the Virginia Tech shooter. Some are well known to the law enforcement and mental health communities, others are not.

A case in point is the recent ambush of Matt Gulakowski by Barry Shebs. We were aware of a conflict between the two who had adjoining units in an industrial area, but there was nothing we were privy to that indicated Shebs was mentally ill or prone to violence. Absent any significant contacts or complaints regarding this individual, it is easy to see how this happened. There was nothing that law enforcement, the courts, or the mental health practitioners could have done to prevent this. He simply never was on our radar.

However, there are others who pose a real threat to themselves or others and of whom we are well aware. For those of us on the front line, the problem is that it isn’t illegal to be crazy and the system is ill equipped to deal with the chronically mentally ill. To cite one example, since mid 1998, one of our local police agencies and the sheriff’s office have been dealing with an individual whose mental condition has been steadily deteriorating. Collectively we have had over seventy incidents with this person. In many cases, the individual wants to report offenses which simply did not occur. Without going into detail, let me just say the allegations were typically delusional and bizarre. This individual then targets a neighbor or other acquaintance as the perpetrator and responds with threats and verbal outbursts.

Just within the past twelve months, the sheriff’s office has arrested this individual for harassment and disorderly conduct, and twice placed a seventy two hour mental health hold which requires a psychological evaluation. When arrested, the individual is able to post bond. When a psychological hold is placed at a treatment facility, the subject is deemed to have mental health issues, but not an “imminent” danger and released. Once released, the person has more paranoid and delusional episodes and makes more threats.

Having never been adjudicated in a court as mentally incompetent or a danger to himself or others, he is still eligible to purchase firearms and in fact is known to own several. In the estimation of the deputies who regularly deal with him, he is quite capable of snapping at some point and carrying through on the threats. While we perceive the danger, we have no authority to confiscate the weapons. Understand, this person truly believes he is the victim of dozens of crimes and that the police, courts and District Attorney are all part of the conspiracy with whomever he targets as the perpetrator. This person feels the criminal justice system isn’t going to solve the problem or protect him, and is likely to take matters into his own hands at some point, just as Shebs did.

Colorado’s financial support for treating mental illness is grossly inadequate, far below the national average. Larimer County is allocated only six beds in the forensic unit at the state psychiatrict hospital. Until the system is better able to identify and treat individuals with severe mental illness, and confine them when necessary, tragedies such as Virginia Tech and the Matt Gulakowski homicide will continue.

S.P.E.C.T.R.E.
June 11, 2007, 02:27 PM
Barf. Reading that makes me sick.

My sheriff opposes CCW but has sworn to uphold the laws passed down from the Legislature. My Police Chief is the Mayor Bloomberg of Minnesota.

If I move to Colorado I'm moving to Larimer County.

Gaiudo
June 11, 2007, 04:01 PM
I'm not sure how what he's saying is that unreasonable. I guess the danger would be if people took it to its extreme logical end. But what he is saying there seems pretty reasonable.

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