Anti-Gun legislation - HR 984


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breakerilya
June 8, 2007, 08:18 PM
Just got a letter from NRA-ILA about this. If this reform becomes law, every gun owner will be registered, stored in a federal database and available on the internet for people who have access to see. What's everyone feeling on this issue?

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Erebus
June 8, 2007, 08:20 PM
Like the criminals will know where to steal our guns. Bad for everyone.

It's another attempt to catagorize us with sex offenders and shame us into giving them up.

freakazoid
June 8, 2007, 08:26 PM
Next stop, confiscation. :mad:

Like a bumper sticker that I have says, "Registration, Confiscation, Revolution"

breakerilya
June 8, 2007, 08:34 PM
what can we DO to STOP this from happening?

pcosmar
June 8, 2007, 08:39 PM
I remember stacking blocks in Kindergarten. Does anyone see a pattern here.

K-Romulus
June 8, 2007, 08:43 PM
is that the right bill number?

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.984:

110th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 984

To provide for reform in the operations of the executive branch.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

February 12, 2007

It looks like an anti-lobbyist bill?

pcosmar
June 8, 2007, 08:48 PM
This would hinder grassroot political efforts, and hinder "The Redress of Grievance", by citizens.
It is hard to tell the full implications.

skinnyguy
June 8, 2007, 08:51 PM
Perhaps you are referring to H.R.1874.IH (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:2:./temp/~c110iY03K6::)?
`Technological Resource to Assist Criminal Enforcement (TRACE) Act'.

breakerilya
June 8, 2007, 11:43 PM
<quote> `(b) Contents of Record and Report- Each record made, and each report filed, under subsection (a) shall contain--

`(1) the name of the covered executive branch official;

`(2) the name of each private party who had a significant contact with that official; and

`(3) for each private party so named, a summary of the nature of the contact, including--

`(A) the date of the contact;

`(B) the subject matter of the contact and the specific executive branch action to which the contact relates; and

`(C) if the contact was made on behalf of a client, the name of the client.</quote>

In other words when you go to buy a gun... your name will be stored in a federal database. Any lawyers here who can interpret this?

Telperion
June 9, 2007, 12:55 AM
I don't see that this has anything to do with guns. :confused:

Grey54956
June 9, 2007, 01:12 AM
Throw another log on the fire.

Should it pass, which it probably will not, would it lead to confiscation?

If it did, would confiscation beget civil disobedience?

Would civil disobedience beget martial law?

Would martial law beget revolution?

I wonder what would happen.

jpk1md
June 9, 2007, 10:01 AM
Sponsor: Rep Andrews, Robert E. [NJ-1] (introduced 4/17/2007) Cosponsors (None)

Technological Resource to Assist Criminal Enforcement (TRACE) Act (Introduced in House)

HR 1874 IH

110th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 1874

To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to require microstamping of all firearms manufactured in or imported into the United States, and ballistics testing of all firearms in the custody of the Federal Government.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

April 17, 2007

Mr. ANDREWS introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

A BILL

To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to require microstamping of all firearms manufactured in or imported into the United States, and ballistics testing of all firearms in the custody of the Federal Government.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Technological Resource to Assist Criminal Enforcement (TRACE) Act'.

SEC. 2. BAN ON MANUFACTURE OR IMPORTATION OF FIREARMS THAT ARE NOT MICROSTAMPED.

(a) License Revocation- Section 923(e) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after the penultimate sentence the following: `The Attorney General shall, after notice and opportunity for hearing, revoke the license of an importer who imports into the United States a firearm that is not microstamped, or the license of a manufacturer who manufactures a firearm that is not microstamped or a microstamped firearm that does not transfer the array of characters constituting the microstamp onto the cartridge case of any ammunition fired from the firearm.'.

(b) Definition of Microstamped- Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(36) The term `microstamped' means, with respect to a firearm, that etched into the interior surface or internal working parts of the firearm is an array of characters which identify the make, model, and serial number of the firearm.'.

SEC. 3. BALLISTICS TESTING OF CRIME GUNS; COMPUTERIZATION OF RECORDS.

(a) In General- Section 923 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(m)(1) The Attorney General shall conduct ballistics testing of any firearm in the custody of the Federal Government if there is reason to believe that the firearm has been involved in a crime under Federal or State law, and establish an electronic database containing records of the results of the testing.

`(2) The Attorney General shall establish a computer system through which State and local law enforcement agencies can promptly access the ballistics records stored under this subsection.

`(3) Not later than 3 years after the date of enactment of this subsection, and annually thereafter, the Attorney General shall submit to the Committees on the Judiciary of the Senate and the House of Representatives a report regarding the implementation of this subsection, including--

`(A) the number of Federal and State criminal investigations, arrests, indictments, and prosecutions of all cases in which access to ballistics records, provided through the system established under this section and under similar systems operated by any State, served as a valuable investigative tool in the prosecution of crimes involving firearms; and

`(B) the extent to which ballistics records are accessible across jurisdictions.

`(4) There are authorized to be appropriated to the Attorney General $20,000,000 for each of the fiscal years 2006 through 2009, to carry out this subsection.'.

(b) Definition of Ballistics- Section 921(a) of such title, as amended by section 2(b) of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(37) The term `ballistics' means a comparative analysis of fired bullets and cartridge casings to identify the firearm from which bullets and cartridge casings have been discharged, through identification of the unique markings that the firearm imprints on cartridge casings of ammunition fired from the firearm.'.

BBQJOE
June 11, 2007, 05:23 PM
No guys it's like this:
Not only do they want all registered gun owners listed on a public web site, they also want to make it public every time you write, call or email anyone in the executive branch of government. ie president, senators etc.
They will post your info, who you wrote and what you said.

Green Lantern
June 11, 2007, 09:03 PM
I got the letter - it's HR 984.

Here's where I see the problems NRA mentions:

`SEC. 601. RECORDING AND REPORTING BY CERTAIN EXECUTIVE BRANCH OFFICIALS OF SIGNIFICANT CONTACTS MADE TO THOSE OFFICIALS.

`(a) In General- Not later than 30 days after the end of a calendar quarter, each covered executive branch official shall make a record of, and file with the Office of Government Ethics a report on, any significant contacts during the quarter between the covered executive branch official and any private party relating to an official government action. If no such contacts occurred, each such official shall make a record of, and file with the Office a report on, this fact, at the same time.

`

(b) Contents of Record and Report- Each record made, and each report filed, under subsection (a) shall contain--

`(1) the name of the covered executive branch official;

`(2) the name of each private party who had a significant contact with that official; and

`(3) for each private party so named, a summary of the nature of the contact, including--

`(A) the date of the contact;

`(B) the subject matter of the contact and the specific executive branch action to which the contact relates; and

`(C) if the contact was made on behalf of a client, the name of the client.

*snip*

SEC. 602. AUTHORITIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT ETHICS.

`(a) In General- The Director of the Office of Government Ethics shall--

`(1) promulgate regulations to implement this title, provide guidance and assistance on the recording and reporting requirements of this title, and develop common standards, rules, and procedures for compliance with this title;

`(2) review, and, where necessary, verify the accuracy, completeness, and timeliness of reports;

`(3) develop filing, coding, and cross-indexing systems to carry out the purpose of this title, including--

`(A) a publicly available list of all private parties who made a significant contact; and

`(B) computerized systems designed to minimize the burden of filing and maximize public access to reports filed under this title;

`(4) make available for public inspection and copying at reasonable times the reports filed under this title;

`(5) retain reports for a period of at least 6 years after they are filed;

I don't see any "limiter" to JUST gun owners, either...maybe ACLU will help layeth the smacketh down on this one...?

jselvy
June 11, 2007, 09:09 PM
Isn't gathering the information in order to post it de facto registration?

Jefferson

Green Lantern
June 12, 2007, 09:25 PM
Bump, for more opinions...?

alligator94
June 12, 2007, 10:21 PM
Call me stupid, but I don't see anything about a national gun registry?

eric_t12
June 13, 2007, 11:16 AM
I dont necessarily see anything about a national gun registry,

but i do see a registry of everything i say to my congressman, which even in the MILITARY, if you don't violate UCMJ, is protected.

If you can't speak out to your congressman, whether they listen or not - freely - what is there left of government?

jselvy
June 13, 2007, 11:21 AM
Nothing

Jefferson

Erebus
June 13, 2007, 12:04 PM
This is about stopping people from contacting their congress critters about controversial topics. It's about making people think twice before trying to tell the ruling class what the peasents want. It's about intimidating you into not calling or writing your representatives.

The less they hear from you the more they like it because they can just do what they want.

Always remember to tell them that you always vote and that you will never vote for someone that is in opposition to your views, what ever they may be.

This is a very bad bill for everyone that isn't in Congress.

K-Romulus
June 13, 2007, 03:04 PM
Two things:

(1) Executive Branch (White House/DOJ/etc.) is different from the Legislative Branch(Congress).

Viz.: From the bill:

COVERED EXECUTIVE BRANCH OFFICIAL- The term `covered Executive branch official' means--

`(A) any officer or employee serving in a position in level I, II, III, IV, or V of the Executive Schedule, as designated by statute or Executive order;

`(B) any member of the uniformed services whose pay grade is at or above O-7 under section 201 of title 37, United States Code;

`(C) any officer or employee serving in a position of a confidential, policy-determining, policy-making, or policy-advocating character described in section 7511(b)(2)(B) of title 5, United States Code;

`(D) any noncareer appointee, as defined by section 3132(a)(7) of title 5, United States Code; and

`(E) any officer or employee serving in a position of a confidential, policy-determining, policy-making, or policy advocating character, or any other individual functioning in the capacity of such an officer or employee, in the Executive Office of the President or the Office of the Vice President, but does not include the President or Vice President or the chief of staff of the President or Vice President.

and:
From the bill:
SIGNIFICANT CONTACT-

`(A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in subparagraph (B), the term `significant contact' means oral or written communication (including electronic communication) that is made by a private party to a covered executive branch official in which such private party seeks to influence official action by any officer or employee of the executive branch of the United States.

`(B) EXCEPTION- The term `significant contact' does not include any communication that is an exception to the definition of `lobbying contact'--

`(i) under clauses (i) through (vii) or clauses (ix) through (xix) of subparagraph (B) of paragraph (8) of section 3 of the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995 (2 U.S.C. 1602(8)(i)-(vii) or (ix)-(xix)); or

`(ii) with respect to publically available information only, under clause (viii) of subparagraph (B) of paragraph (8) of section 3 of the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995 (2 U.S.C. 1602(8)(viii)).

(2) "Lobbying contact" doesn't normally seem to include Joe Q. Public:
From 2 USC 1602(8):
Lobbying contact
(A) Definition
The term “lobbying contact” means any oral or written communication (including an electronic communication) to a covered executive branch official or a covered legislative branch official that is made on behalf of a client with regard to—
(i) the formulation, modification, or adoption of Federal legislation (including legislative proposals);
(ii) the formulation, modification, or adoption of a Federal rule, regulation, Executive order, or any other program, policy, or position of the United States Government;
(iii) the administration or execution of a Federal program or policy (including the negotiation, award, or administration of a Federal contract, grant, loan, permit, or license); or
(iv) the nomination or confirmation of a person for a position subject to confirmation by the Senate.


This bill does seem to get rid of that pesky "on behalf of a client" language in the definition of lobbying contact, but it may cut both ways. Wouldn't we want to officially know if Attorney General Grab-em-all had a lot of meetings with the VPC staff?

Green Lantern
June 13, 2007, 06:41 PM
K-Romulus - I looked up the definition of "lobbying contact" but was a bit confused...

So if it's NOT "lobbying contact," it's not for public review.

But could responding to an NRA, or GOA, or ACLU, or NumbersUSA, or yes, even the Brady Campaign "action alert" be seen as "making contact on behalf of a client?"

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