CCSF Police Chief Quits Over Gun Policy


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Telperion
June 8, 2007, 08:16 PM
More lessons not learned. The swords must be destroyed.


http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=local&id=5376569

Jun. 7 - KGO - The police chief at City College of San Francisco has resigned over a question of security. He wanted his officers to be able to carry guns on campus, especially in light of a recent incident, but he was overruled.

In late April, 52-year-old Peter Lee rushed into a classroom in the science building, dressed in camouflage. Students say he threatened to kill everyone. But campus police had to wait until S.F.P.D. arrived before they could respond. That's because campus cops don't carry guns -- only pepper spray and batons.

Fortunately, Lee was not armed either and they arrested him without incident.

Since last year, City College Police Chief Carl Koehler has been lobbying the administration to allow his officers to carry guns.

Carl Koehler, CCSF Police Chief: "In this day and age, there are guns on campus, but the police don't have them."

The carnage at Virginia Tech convinced Chief Koehler even more that his officers need to be armed. But he was fighting a 70-year-old college policy prohibiting its officers from carrying guns.

In the end, Chief Koehler lost. He resigned this week.

He said in an e-mail to his officers, "the reasons are many, but mainly evolve around my proposal to arm the district police officers."

Peter Goldstein, CCSF Vice Chancellor: "The police force does not carry weapons... I guess he felt that ultimately didn't fit in with his vision of where the department should be."

Koehler was unavailable for comment. His officers declined to talk on camera. Privately, they told us they're angry and frustrated. But the administration has no intention of changing policy.

ABC7's Vic Lee: "So it's a dead issue?"

Peter Goldstein: "At this point, I'd say unless the board of trustees wishes to consider it, it's not an issue for the college."

So, City College police will continue patrolling this campus unarmed, protected only by their bulletproof vests.

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Pilgrim
June 8, 2007, 08:43 PM
He's to be honored for standing on principle.

Pilgrim

Titan6
June 8, 2007, 08:49 PM
That took some guts once he came around. You have to hand it to him. I hope he gets another job soon.

Geno
June 8, 2007, 08:52 PM
Note to self: Do not apply to City College of San Francisco!

Doc2005 (Grad Prof)

pacodelahoya
June 8, 2007, 09:04 PM
Kudos to him. Willing to stand up for his principals. If everyone did that, we would have, no more no knock warrants, no more patriot acts, no more double standards.






Hey, a guy can dream can't he?:)

Autolycus
June 8, 2007, 09:28 PM
Its good that he stood up for his beliefs. But I would take the view that if students cant legally carry there then I dont think police should be able to.

pacodelahoya
June 8, 2007, 09:35 PM
And I would have to agree with you (as I'm sure you already know).

langenc
June 8, 2007, 09:59 PM
"Bullet proof vests" and no guns!! Isnt that ridiculous.

Car Knocker
June 8, 2007, 10:04 PM
I wonder why the administration would require the officers to wear "bulletproof vests" if the campus is a gun-free zone? :evil:

Eightball
June 8, 2007, 10:07 PM
I hope he finds employment at a more "friendly" place nearby.

Valkman
June 8, 2007, 10:21 PM
If it's been that way for 70 years it must be The Way, right?

Some whackjob will walk in kill 10 and they still won't change it. And if they did they'd have the whole anti city come down on them to change back. Guns are bad and that's the way it is.

obxned
June 8, 2007, 10:22 PM
Carl Koehler, CCSF Police Chief, shows an accurate grasp of the situation. Too bad he's leaving.

So why issue bullet-proof vests if there are no guns on campus? The lawyers are going to have a field day with that whenever a shooting occurs on that campus. How can people who's business is education be so freakn stupid?

Mannix
June 8, 2007, 10:23 PM
Well, this seems like a perfect "gun-free" zone for another VT to happen, but I pray to god it doesn't turn out like that. VT is what made me change from fence sitter to pro RKBA, guess the anti folks are just more hard headed than others. Good for him for standing up for his principles, and that's one more(like I really needed another :rolleyes: ) reason not to go to school in the PRK.

rhubarb
June 8, 2007, 10:24 PM
If there's a violent person around, the police have to call 911? Why is California such a caricature of leftist stupidity?

At least it's fair. Normal citizens can't have guns and police can't either. It'd prevent a lot of deaths if SWAT teams carried only pepper spray and batons.

thexrayboy
June 8, 2007, 10:30 PM
Ah yes San Franfreako, the city by the bay. It has devolved into a bowl of granola. What ain't fruits and nuts are just plain flakes.

At least this LEO has some principles. Rare to see a chief LEO who will buck the powers that be and then tell them to get stuffed when they persist in displaying insane behavior. He should have no trouble finding gainful employement once he leaves the land of make believe and good feelings.

yokel
June 8, 2007, 10:40 PM
Attitudes there towards self-defense starkly reveal how poorly rights are understood.

PC groupthink apparently trumps the imperative toward survival and self-preservation.:uhoh:

ilbob
June 8, 2007, 10:48 PM
I see no reason to allow cops to carry guns if I cannot.

My life is worth every bit as much as their's is.

QuestionEverything
June 8, 2007, 11:15 PM
He's to be admired? I like CCSF's gun policy better than the ones in place at schools that let cops have guns while students go disarmed. If students can't carry, I don't see why cops should be able to. Of course, in SF there's no way a student could get a permit unless they're the child of an actor or politician.

larry_minn
June 8, 2007, 11:18 PM
In the early 80s I worked security at a major University that did NOT allow us to carry ANYTHING that was remotely considered a weapon. (we were supposed to leave pocket knives in our cars) Not that many yrs before they ISSUED guns. (.38 revolvers) with NO training. :( :(
So can anyone guess what happened? Yep a (guard) was playing with his gun (he said he was cleaning it) the gun "went off" :0 and almost hit a staff person.
So because "One time" a idiot WAS a idiot none of us could be armed. (no matter our training)
I only carried twice. Once a gun I (conficated but gave back a few days later as the person was not a threat just stupid) The other was my own gun as I had a incident with two gents who had knives and promised to come back and get me.

Autolycus
June 9, 2007, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by Question Everything:
He's to be admired? I like CCSF's gun policy better than the ones in place at schools that let cops have guns while students go disarmed. If students can't carry, I don't see why cops should be able to. Of course, in SF there's no way a student could get a permit unless they're the child of an actor or politician.

I do agree but it is nice to see a political figure stand up for his beliefs. Either way I understand the sentiment and I agree with you. But finding someone to actually follow through with their ideas and beliefs is rare.

eric_t12
June 9, 2007, 06:53 AM
I'm glad for him, standing up for himself and his officers most importantly.

i would have liked to have him ask about why the PEOPLE can't carry weapons on campus... since -

"there are guns on campus, but the police don't have them."

well let's see, the police don't have them, WE don't have them... who has them?

criminals, eh? a fair answer...

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