Why do guys sell their gun when they get divorced?


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Amish
June 24, 2003, 12:49 AM
Should it be the other way around? If a guy gets divorced shouldn't he buy more guns? Where is the logic?

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S_O_Laban
June 24, 2003, 12:54 AM
Well, I'm still married to my first wife:D but I think it has to do with splitting everything down the middle and then giving her the much bigger half:D After the big D then, if your not saddled with high alimony and child support, you can spend as much as your electronic banker will allow:D YMMV

4 eyed six shooter
June 24, 2003, 12:56 AM
Amish, It's obvious that you have never been thru a divorce. By the time the wifes bottom feeder is done with you, you have no home, no cash and the old car. I managed to hold onto my guns, but after paying alamony and child support did not have the money to buy any new guns for a while.
Do you know why divorce is so damn expensive? Because sometimes it's worth it. :D

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
June 24, 2003, 02:08 AM
I sold 15 ( fairly rare) BHP's to help finance my divorce. Ended up costing me 2 houses as well.

On the other hand, my life did seem to get a lot better as soon as the ink was dry.

All in all, my court-mandated liposuction turned out better than I'd expected. In just one day I lost 300 pounds of mean, ugly fat.

Life is good.


Regards,
Rabbit.

jrpeterman
June 24, 2003, 02:16 AM
I work in an environment where the divorce rate is higher than the general population. Everytime a guy says he getting a divorce, there is always someone there to ask what kinds of guns, tools, etc. he is willing to sell for cash up front.

Amish
June 24, 2003, 02:23 AM
Amish don't get divorced.

firestar
June 24, 2003, 02:32 AM
My friend is going through a divorce right now and it is costing him a fortune. He won't sell any guns to pay for it though.

I have seen a recent study about the relative happiness of different classes of married/single people and the happiest of all people are men following a divorce. Unmarried women are the least happy. I thought that was interesting.

Hal
June 24, 2003, 03:54 AM
Amish don't get divorced. They usually shun electricity too, which makes it a mystery how you manage to post on an electronic B Board :D

jeff4570
June 24, 2003, 06:59 AM
Hal: Must be one of those 'Liberal Ords' like in the movie "For richer or Poorer" ....BTW When I was divorced I had to sell almost all my guns and More ! But I got better ones now...took me 10 years though.

PAshooter
June 24, 2003, 07:44 AM
Mine happened kind of bass-ackwards, but the end result was the same. When my first wife and I split almost 10 years ago I left the house but the guns stayed behind (major tactical error on my part). Of course we both agreed to respect each other's property and work through things together, and of course within a few months the... ummm... lying female canine had sold them all. My collection was small but did have a few pieces that were special to me (LNIB Series 70 Gold Cup, beautiful blue 6" Python to name two).

So the upshot was that my collection got sold not to finance my expenses related to the divorce, but to finance her extravagant lifestyle while the process was underway. I got some measure of revenge, however, when the court ruled that any joint property she had disposed of counted against her share of our "stuff" when we ultimately divided it up. She got "my" guns, but in return I got "her" solid cherry dining room set... which I promptly sold to finance restarting my collection. It all works out.

CZ-100
June 24, 2003, 09:16 AM
DON'T EVER let them know how many guns you have and you will never have to get rid of them... :D

OEF_VET
June 24, 2003, 09:22 AM
I got REAL lucky I guess when I got rid of 'the female canine formerly known as the spouse'. I got to keep my gun collection ( as small as it was), and both cars. One was a beat up lemon Camaro she didn't want and she couldn't afford to pay for the other one. The only downside was she took our son back to Maine, which is 1250 miles away, so I don't see him often. But, I got to keep my guns!!!!! And I got rid of her!!!! And the child support is low enough, I can afford to buy more guns.

Frank

Carlos Cabeza
June 24, 2003, 10:46 AM
He needed the money ! :D
Of course we both agreed to respect each other's property and work through things together, and of course within a few months the... ummm... lying female canine had sold them all.
Mdshooter, this is the reasoning behind those 2000lb. safes you see at the guns expo. :D

Seriously, sorry to hear of your misfortune, I'm going to rebar my safe to the garage floor tonight !!!!!!!!! just in case.............the :cuss: errr WIFE gets any ideas.

DonP
June 24, 2003, 11:05 AM
The wife packed up and left me with the house and 3 kids to go "find herself" about 9 years ago.

After paying off the firm of Shyster, Flywheel and Shyster, I finally bought a Garand from CMP and the flood gates opened. Now I have an almost complete WW II collection of battle rifles.

If she was still around I wouldn't have any of them, since I didn't trust her with firearms in the house and kept my only gun, a .22 Buckmark, locked in a wall safe.

Best money I ever spent, on both the lawyer and the Garand.

Don P.

Sisco
June 24, 2003, 11:46 AM
Why is a divorce so expensive?

'Cause it's worth it! :D

Kenneth Lew
June 24, 2003, 12:33 PM
Restraining Order! Domestic Violence!

Ebbtide
June 24, 2003, 12:40 PM
Yep thats a real quick way to get your man out of the house for good. Tell the judge you are afraid of him and his guns.

Note to all married men:

Hide your guns at the first sign of trouble, hire a lawyer, and get a second and third job. Many times it is the wife's lawyer doing all the bidding, so regardless if you wife is sweet and "would not do that", she will.

ehenz

Women, you can't live with them.

YankeeRebel
June 24, 2003, 12:46 PM
How many lawyers, hers, immediately cry 'domestic violence' he hit her and he needs to get rid of the guns to prevend the possibility of his killing her? And of course the judge says 'make it so' and away they go. Just one possible scenerio. Rightly or wrongly I think more lawyers for the female dog are doing this as a tatic to get more and put the husband in bad light and getting away with it.

rperry03
June 24, 2003, 12:57 PM
NOOO!

Do not get any additional jobs. It will end up costing you more in alimony and Child support. Then you will have to keep the extra jobs for the rest of your life. Get the extra jobs after the ink is dry.

When I was separated my wife called the cops (I lived in PRNJ) and said I had guns in the car.
Well one (very anti 2nd am.) came up to me when I dropped the kids off and asked if that was the case. I said no, I did not have any in the car.
Since I was legal and had all my paperwork the cop said to her it was perfectly legal even if I did.....this was after giving me a hard time, so I had to correct him and said no it is not legal to ride around the PRNJ with guns in your car only from point A to point B. He was P.O. at that point and I told him I was not opening the car unless he had a warrant. His Sargent arrived and he was very 2nd am. so after talking to him for a few minutes I let him look in and there was nothing in there. Boy were the other cop and my wife pissed! It was great and the Sargent went on to the wife and cop telling telling them they need to be more responsible!

Sorry about being long winded.

waynzwld
June 24, 2003, 01:14 PM
If the relationship is failing, both parties know it. As is said many times, the best defense is a good offense. He who files first, usually comes out on top. Never trust a lawyer, especially your own.

Having gone through the "Big D", I learned a lot on our judicial system. Thaank God my ex was as stupid as I thought she was.

1) she was too stupid to pay attention to how many guns I had.
2) She was too stupid to learn the gun safe combination.
3) she was too stupid to even consider I would file first.
4) she was so stupid she threatened me with a gun she borrowed from her boyfriend!
5) she was so stupid she misjudged our son (he chose to stay with me, so I got the house!)
6) she was so stupid she QUIT her very high paying chushy job, so she would not have to pay child support and pay me alimony payments!

I remained civil and calm through the whole thing and MADE my lawyer do what I WANTED, not what he wanted. Perseverance and logic won out.
The fatal mistake most people make in a divorce is that the lawyer will take care of things, lawyers are like water crossing a field, they take the path of least resistance, not the best for you.

Sorry for the rant, but my ex said the same stupid excuse to me as a reason for wanting a divorce (before I found out she had a boyfriend) "I just want to find myself" to which I replied, "If you don't know after 43 years, you ain't going to find out now!" :D

mephisto
June 24, 2003, 01:43 PM
My old boss "sold" me his guns while he went through his "D". I bought them for a doller for each gun. When its was over i "sold" them back to him for a glock 17. He had 22 guns, 15 handguns and 7 long/ shotguns. It was a fare thing me.;)

Detachment Charlie
June 24, 2003, 04:00 PM
Having been through one divorce and a great military handgun collection, now anytime I meet a woman I think about marrying, I just buy her a house, a car, and a boat then leave quietly.:banghead:

sm
June 24, 2003, 04:21 PM
DC, sounds like the sage advice of Lewis Grizzard :D

Divorce, BTDT. I thought it was a pre req for TFL/THR, going back to school and other life stuff.:p

Guns: heck ,anything of value [money or sentiment] get it out of the house, sell to a trusted friend, with a reciept. Get rid of anything that might be used against you .

Forget the first date, sentiment, memories, all that mushy crap... get your own good lawyer [she will]. Divorce is a "Fight, ****, or go for your gun type deal". Name of the game is survival.

4 eyed six shooter
June 25, 2003, 01:14 AM
After using two different bottom feeders in my divorce and getting wipped every time we went to court, I started representing myself. I did far better than either of the "highly recomended" lawyers I heired. The problem is two fold. First the lawyer knows your assets and will not settle your case until he or she has sucked them all up. Second lawyers will not go against anothers lawyers shady tactics in court. I was able to show the judge how her lawyer was twisting things and going out of his way to have a vendetta against me. The look on her sheister's face and the fact that he almost grabbed his chest when I made him look bad in front of his partners in crime was priceless. It takes some research and time to do it yourself and I didn't start representing myself until after the divorce. I went in about child custody and child support issues. The idea of the two bottom feeders telling each of us how he was going to wipe each of us out and then going out for beers after court to socialize really burned my butt. And don't think that they don't do so-they do.
One thing that I did was as soon as my wife said she wanted a divorce was to take our assets and pay off every bill we had and cancel the credit cards. I also put a large retainer on both of our lawyers. If I had not done so we would have had to split our assets and I still would have been stuck with all the bills. I also got a u haul and movrd all of stuff out of the house and put it in storage until I found another place to live. Food for thought.

Best to all, John K
FIRST WE KILL ALL OF THE LAWYERS:D :evil:

PenHolder
June 25, 2003, 01:39 AM
:what:

Whoa, y'all are freaking me out!

As a young guy with a couple of guns who's never been near marriage, hearing these war stories makes me wonder: is getting married even worth the risks? I can see all kinds of costs and risks, but what are the benefits? Catering to tradition? Children?

If you war-torn, medal-adorned divorce veterans "knew then what you know now" about how the overall system works, would you still have considered marriage in the first place? Do you have any advice for us rookies?

4 eyed six shooter
June 25, 2003, 01:57 AM
Penholder, Don't get married until you are both at least 25, really get to know the woman you are going to marry and look past the emotions and hopefully good sex. If she still looks like a winner, after you marry, wait some years before having kids. This way you have a better idea if the marriage is going to work and you give yourself time to get a house, other assets and time to play.
Divorce really hurts the kids and keeps you strapped for up to 18 years with child support payments. Example: I was married for 10 years, got married young and had 2 kids right away, The wife was a housewife (didn't work). This was 14 years ago. At the time I was taking home $1,900.00 a month. I had to pay her $1,200.00 a month and her lawyer bills. Try living on $700.00 a month. If you get a second job or work overtime her lawyer will go back into court to get more. The courts don't care if you have to live in your car as long as the payments are made. After a time it went to $900.00 and finally $600.00 a month after I took he to court and proved she was living with someone else. I'm not try to scare you, only to make you aware of a few things that will give you a better chance of being one of the 50% who stay married.

Good Luck, John K

jeff4570
June 25, 2003, 06:57 AM
John K : A little trick I heard was to charge up all your cerdit cards untill you are technically worthless !! But buy stuff like gold coins and other valubles that can be hidden and NOT documented (guns sometimes can be documented) .
After your divorce is settled (remember you are worth nothing) sell the stuff !! The loss will be less than if you gave all your property/money to the lawyers or ex.

mussi
June 25, 2003, 07:10 AM
Ah, I love Swiss law. For all goods aquired before marriage, seperation of goods is mandatory. If you divorce, you get back what you had before the marriage, plus half of what was aquired in the marriage.

However, also here, we have child and housewife alimony, but the court does require the ex-wife (or husband) to work part-time after the kids have passed the age of 8.

bogie
June 25, 2003, 10:47 AM
Lawyers _can_ be useful. Prior to marriage, get a GOOD prenup agreement... And make sure adheres to your state's laws. Prior to moving to another state, revise/amend it if necessary. If he/she won't sign it, sorry.

Justin
June 25, 2003, 11:39 AM
You know, if reading this thread has shown me anything, it's that marriage is to be avoided and that I chose the wrong line of work. I should have gone into law. *sigh*

RustyHammer
June 25, 2003, 11:45 AM
Because no one will give you a dime for the old hag you're getting rid of!

Ebbtide
June 25, 2003, 11:52 AM
Do not get any additional jobs. It will end up costing you more in alimony and Child support.

Yes, good point! How could I forget.

A friend of mine was in the house framing business the year his wife left. He was going for full custody of the three kids and was working his butt off to pay the "lawyer". In the end, since he made so much money, and the woman always get custody of the kids, he was ordered to pay 1800 a month in child support. Needless to say business has not been good and has since began working for someone else.

2nd Amendment
June 25, 2003, 12:16 PM
Those saying to fire the first shot in a divorce are entirely correct. In mine I filed first, filed the restraining order, tossed her out of the house, kept the kid, moved all my stuff (guns first) back to the folks house, etc. She screwed up and told her best friend she was filing on Friday. Her best friend happened to be married to MY best friend...

The paperwork was served to her Thursday afternoon. :D

I wound up with all the property and she wound up with all the bills...and the kid, unfortunately. She'd have got the new Blazer but when the judge let her have it in the initial hearing I told said judge she'd have it totalled before the final hearing. She said that's fine, your wife will simply be without a car then. Sure enough, nite before the final hearing she punched it out on a telephone pole, drunk. If the local yocals had wrote her for DUI I'd have walked away with literally everything. Grrrrr.

444
June 25, 2003, 12:42 PM
IMO, no. I have been divorced since 1989. When I got divorced, it really wasn't all that traumatic for me because I didn't really have many assets and didn't have any kids. People are always asking me why I didn't get married again, and my answer is that the risk is too great. I live in Nevada, gambling here is legal, so my analogy is easily understood. Let's say you walk into a casino and they have a game that looks like fun. If you win, you will have a certain degree of happiness etc. for the rest of your life. If you lose, it will cost you half of everything you have, you will quite possibly be required to continue to make payments for many years to come, and could cost you your freedom. Oh, and the chances of losing are at best something like 3:1. How many people would play ?
Today, I do have assets. The most important one as far as I am concerned is my pension. I am looking forward to retireing in less than 11 years. I will be 51 years old and hopefully will be able to enjoy a long retirement with more than enough money to live on, or I could start a second career of my choosing knowing that I can quit at anytime and knowing that I can do something I consider fun or rewarding since I don't really have to worry about the money. If I got divorced between now and then, she would get half my retirement for the years we were married. This means that I have to continue to work to make up for that. So, she would not only be stealing my money, but also my time; part of my life that can never be replaced. Another thing is that as a married man, I have to base all my decisions at least in part on what she wants. Where I live, how much I pay to live etc. are no longer my choice to make based on what I want or what is best for me. The biggest regret I have about getting married is that I lost that part of my life. I wanted to work where I do now, but she wanted to move. I worked my butt off to buy stuff that I had no interest in; drapes, china, silverware, two cars...................... After the divorce I was able to start the career I wanted, I was able to live where I wanted to live, spend my money as I saw fit etc.
I have been very lucky. I have a great life and have not had very many significant setbacks. The one significant set back in my life was the fact that I got married.
Most of the people I know have been divorced. I have heard so many horrible stories about divorces that I can't imagine how anyone could let themselves do it. On this board we discuss the pros and cons of various firearms and ammunition. If you heard terrible stories about one of the items over and over and over again, I seriously doubt that you would buy one. Yet, after hearing countless stories about how someone's life was ruined completely by divorce, people still can't wait to be the next one in line to be raked over the coals. :confused:
Another thing that is discussed on this board on a dialy basis is freedom. We watch for any infringement on our rights. We follow politics to ensure that our rights are not taken away without a fight. Marriage is all about losing your freedom and possibly having your rights taken away. Yet, in the case of marriage, we seem to think this is OK or at least voluntarily allow ourselves to be put in that position. Again: :confused:

Smoke
June 25, 2003, 01:21 PM
And now for the other side.....

I have been married for 15 years. We have 2 kids (boy 3yrs, girl 5months) 1 dog, no cats and a new house on acreage outside the city limits.

Marriage was rough the first couple of years, but very glad we stuck it out. Finding the right person can be tough. ANd I don't fault anyone for getting a divorce when warranted. But I feel sorry for those that are permanently soured on the experience.

My wife and I both work for the things WE want. She doesn't bother me about how much I spend on guns, Jeeps, other hobbies. I don't bother her about how much she spends on sewing machines, knick-knacks, or clothes.

The importance of finiding someone is finding one who shares your goals, views, wants and needs.

Whether you end up with a nest egg or a goose egg, depends alot on the chick yo marry. John L. (Chip) Merrill

444
June 25, 2003, 01:46 PM
Smoke, we all know people who have been happily married for many years, and this is a great thing. The problem is with the odds. Statistically, you are in a minority. And the stakes are very, very high. I personally have nothing against marriage. I love women. I enjoy spending time with women. But when you have the deck very heavily stacked against you, the risk to reward ratio tells me that getting married would be risking everything I have and now enjoy for a slim chance at increased happiness. As I tried to point out, in most areas of our lives we examine the pros and cons of the situation and try to make an intelligent decidsion. For some reason this thought process goes out the window when it comes to marriage. We make a poor decision based on things other than logic.
I have to make a very biased and blanket statement. Most everything that made America great, including marriage has been ruined by lawyers. They have made the risk of getting married what it now is. You used to risk emotional trauma, now you risk everything.
No one ever got married thinking they were going to get divorced. No one got married thinking this woman was going to rake them over the coals. Everyone thought that this couldn't happen to them. But the majority of them found out otherwise. Some said, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

mtnbkr
June 25, 2003, 01:52 PM
My marriage has been good as well. We've only been married for a year and a half, but we dated (mostly long distance) for 10 years prior. We never lived together prior to marriage either. However, we know each other very well. Also, there is no history of divorce in either of our families.

I wouldn't get married if I had any expectation of divorce.

Chris

Carlos Cabeza
June 25, 2003, 01:56 PM
Ha ! Women INVENTED marriage.
As I tried to point out, in most areas of our lives we examine the pros and cons of the situation and try to make an intelligent decidsion. For some reason this thought process goes out the window when it comes to marriage. We make a poor decision based on things other than logic.
!0 - Ring on that statement. most likely EMOTION, which men lack much of.
I have alway compared marriage to gambling at the 1000 dollar a hand table. High stakes and the odds are in favor of the house.

444
June 25, 2003, 01:58 PM
Exactly; you and everyone else who ever got married thought the same thing.

I hope you have a long and happy marriage. I hope marriage is everything you ever hoped it would be and much more.

Steve Smith
June 25, 2003, 02:06 PM
Closing as OT...you guys drifted from the original post.


FWIW, I won't marry again either.

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