Rifle-toting Oregon militia hunts wrongdoing in the woods


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June 24, 2003, 08:05 AM
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Rifle-toting Oregon militia hunts wrongdoing in the woods

By Mark Baker
The (Eugene) Register-Guard






JUNCTION CITY, Ore. — Paul Ehrhardt holds an AR-15 rifle, the civilian version of an M-16, between his legs while explaining to fellow Oregon Ranger Gary McFarland how to work a two-way radio in case McFarland falls off a cliff or worse — someone shoots at him.
Then Ehrhardt, standing outside his small office — which is also the home where he was born just south of here 55 years ago — cracks a joke.

"I don't like all these guys around me with knives," he says on a warm evening, referring to the other three rangers about to go on patrol with him, all with sheathed knives strapped to their belts. "That's kind of scary."

But it's time to get serious. And that means patrol time for the Oregon Rangers.

Ehrhardt, a volunteer with the Junction City Fire Department, started the citizens militia last summer, but it's something that had brewed in his mind for years.

While volunteering for the Bureau of Land Management, scouting for martens in the Coast Range, Ehrhardt stumbled on garbage sites, dumped methamphetamine labs and small marijuana grows.

"I just get sick of our woods literally being taken over by the stuff," he says of marijuana patches that pepper the land.

"There's not enough cops out there, and there's not going to be. The only way any of it's going to change is if the public gets involved. And most people won't do it, and that's what makes the problem worse."

The rangers are not law enforcement, though they do have local authorities concerned.

They have bought uniforms, made badges and carry weapons to protect themselves. But they have no more authority than any other citizen.

"I wonder what their motivation is," said Lane County Sheriff Jan Clements, who has never encountered the rangers. "It's kind of like 'wannabe' police officers."

Ehrhardt, 55, and the 10 other members of the Oregon Rangers Association — including his wife, Robin, and their daughter, Alicia, and her husband — say that isn't true.

They aren't 'wannabes,' and they aren't vigilantes, as others have labeled them, Ehrhardt says.

"A vigilante is someone who takes the law into their own hands," he says, "catches someone and then hangs them without a trial."

The Oregon Rangers come from various backgrounds. Four are women. Two work for Les Schwab Tires in Junction City. One is a rancher. Another is a truck driver.

Nearly all of the Rangers have some military training and background or firefighting experience.

They use handheld global-positioning systems to track marijuana grows, making maps of forest land to show where the plants are.

Some of the rangers say they have been trained as Army Rangers or Navy Seals and in SWAT-team tactics. They also have a canine unit, horses, one plane and one boat.





Ehrhardt has made a few reports to the Bureau of Land Management about garbage dumps and marijuana grows, said Adam Sully, a law-enforcement officer with the Bureau of Land Management office in Eugene.

But the agency didn't have enough information to make an arrest, Sully said.

The rangers photograph dump sites and marijuana grows and plan to install cameras in the woods this summer to try to capture growers.

Ehrhardt and his wife own a private security firm, Oregon Protection Services, which is licensed by the state Department of Public Safety Standards and Training.

Their main source of income is from their two adult foster-care homes, Nature's Way and Robin's Nest, which each have about four residents. The Oregon Rangers office is there, too.

That's where Ehrhardt has been training the rangers Tuesday nights on topics ranging from how to recognize marijuana to how to give cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

On Sundays, they go on patrol, usually heading into the Oregon Coast Range mountains or toward the Cascades.

Ehrhardt drives a Jeep Cherokee, slapped with a star-shaped Oregon Rangers decal.

He is certified by the state to train security officers, and all the rangers are certified "armed security officers," he says. They are not out to arrest people, he says, adding that the law allows citizens to make arrests if they see a crime committed.

"If I have to take action, I'll take action," Ehrhardt says. "But 99 percent of the time, I can wait for the police."

Clements, the sheriff, says that when it comes to a group of citizens hunting for marijuana operations or other illegal activity, "I'm not going to endorse that."

That should be left to traditional law enforcement, he says.

Yet, he acknowledges there is nothing illegal about what the rangers are doing, unless they misrepresent themselves as law enforcement, Clements says.

"They're on a fine line," he says. "The question is, what perception do they leave with people? And are they creating a situation that would endanger themselves or anyone else?"

Ehrhardt has worked as a volunteer for different law-enforcement agencies, including the state police, and teaches classes on handgun safety, first-responder training and emergency medical assistance.

He says the rangers simply want to make a difference, and most of their work is aimed at being good Samaritans, helping stranded motorists or heart-attack victims.

"We need to get the word out that we're not law enforcement," he says, "that we'll be there when your car breaks down or you get hurt. I want (people) to have somebody to call. Most people shy away from law enforcement, and I really don't want that reputation because we want to help people."

Ranger Bryon Barnes, 38, who grew up on a farm, agrees: "We're not just out here to find wrongdoing. "We're out here to help people, which is something the police used to do — stop and help."

Ehrhardt admits to having a sour attitude toward traditional law enforcement.

"I've worked for a couple of different law-enforcement outfits, and they don't like each other," he says, standing in his back yard, next to the shooting range he was using to train the rangers until the county said the area was not zoned for that.

"Police agencies have a habit of bad-mouthing each other."

Junction City Police Chief Ken Hancock wants to have a meeting with the rangers. Although they are not operating within the city limits, he is curious and concerned about their intentions.

"I personally am always concerned when I hear about people picking up guns and going out to enforce the law," he says.

"I appreciate their concern, but I think these sort of things have to be dealt with professionally and carefully. The potential for tragedy is there."

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mtnbkr
June 24, 2003, 08:39 AM
Sounds like a rural neighborhood watch to me.

Chris

El Tejon
June 24, 2003, 09:09 AM
"Watch"? Watching Batman as a kid maybe.:rolleyes:

MuzzleBlast
June 24, 2003, 09:41 AM
They have bought uniforms, made badges and carry weapons to protect themselves. But they have no more authority than any other citizen. They also have no LESS authority than any other citizen. Cops can arrest for misdemeanors, make traffic stops and obtain and execute warrants. That is about all they can do that we can't.
Wonder if that sheriff is worried these guys will find HIS pot field?

Art Eatman
June 24, 2003, 10:02 AM
All over the country, police chiefs and sheriffs whine about the lack of enough money to patrol, and investigate various illegal activities. Yet, when honest citizens finally are pretty much forced to do something on their own in self-protection, these same officials start bad-mouthing the efforts.

I'm flat geting fed up with this egregious hypocrisy. It's solely a power thing for those higher-ups in the world of law enforcement. It's the usual game: They excercise powers which have been delegated to them by The People, and thereafter don't want The People to retain or regain sovereignty.

Art

El Tejon
June 24, 2003, 10:43 AM
Art, don't you think maybe, just maybe, that the Sheriff is concerned about the damage these guys could do to lawful authority and endanger far more people than they help? This goes a little beyond self-defense, right?:confused:

Tamara
June 24, 2003, 10:53 AM
the Sheriff is concerned about the damage these guys could do to lawful authority

Just out of curiousity, what damage would that be?

El Tejon
June 24, 2003, 11:12 AM
Tamara, if individuals run around and pretend to be police officers it lowers the respect people have for the police and the law. As well, people are less willing to cooperate with legitimate law enforcement, a vital concern in the collection of evidence.

However, in this instance it seems that the "Rangers" are not violating any state or federal laws. I only point out that the Sheriff's concerns may not necessarily be politicially motivated, but based on legitimate concerns.

bogie
June 24, 2003, 12:30 PM
Some of these fellows are former Rangers and Seals?

Yeah, uh huh...

2dogs
June 24, 2003, 12:33 PM
Some of these fellows are former Rangers and Seals

I thought EVERYONE (except me) was a former Ranger or SEAL?:scrutiny:

cordex
June 24, 2003, 12:50 PM
Badges are a little overboard, I think.
Someone wants to help stranded motorists or run around the woods with guns and GPS receivers, I've got no problem.

ojibweindian
June 24, 2003, 01:36 PM
Tamara, if individuals run around and pretend to be police officers it lowers the respect people have for the police and the law. As well, people are less willing to cooperate with legitimate law enforcement, a vital concern in the collection of evidence.

I've lost most of my respect for law enforcement and the judical process as a whole. There are exceptions to that, of course.

I personally do not see anything wrong with what these people are doing. They're tired of garbage dumping and drug trafficing in their backyard, and they're tired of local officials being unable to do anything substantial about it. Kinda like the citizens border patrol groups in Arizona.

More power to 'em.

Standing Wolf
June 24, 2003, 02:43 PM
We, the people, et cetera.

campergeek
June 24, 2003, 10:51 PM
It sounds to me like these guys see an area where local law enforcement is falling short and stepped in to fill the void. The LE response?

Clements, the sheriff, says that when it comes to a group of citizens hunting for marijuana operations or other illegal activity, "I'm not going to endorse that." That should be left to traditional law enforcement, he says.

Well, if you ain't doin' it, Mr. sheriff, then step aside for someone who's willing!

Although some of their methodology (badges?) might be over the top, I feel for these guys. Here in Missouri we have several areas designated as "Mark Twain National Forest", some of which have great hiking/backpacking/mountain biking/equestrian trails. However, at the same time, many areas in the forest are remote and popular for meth production. There are some areas now where people who enter the forest do so at the risk of their own life, should they stumble across the toxic waste left behind or worse, a meth maker interrupted. The problem is too big for LE or the Conservation Dept. to get a handle on. I applaud anyone willing to try to help clean up the problem, but anyone doing so would be stupid to attempt to intervene unarmed.

Ryder
June 25, 2003, 12:29 AM
Cops that patrol woods around these parts never get off the roads. Once crime goes offroad it can get away with anything it wants. Maybe they can just hunt out these badguys with their superiority complex cause they sure don't have the tiniest amount of woodsmanship skills... Least ways if they are anything like that deputy brother in law of mine. You know the kind of person that feels the need to debark every tree along the trail so he doesn't get lost? Yup, that was him :rolleyes:

I used to live near this one woods that was full of stinging nettles when I was growing up. Ten years later as a young adult I had a good laugh watching dump truck load after dump truck load haul them all away as the cops declared the biggest drug bust ever. Took them days to clear out every last plant. HAHA!, no doubt, that woods was thick with them. Glad to see those plants finally get some payback! :fire: I hate nettles!

Funnier yet, that happened just as the county drug enforcement budget was being called into question. Great timing! They sure justified their jobs! All the news cameras got really good pictures of those nettles plants. I wrote them a letter explaining how they were duped. Musta been too ashamed to reply?

Yeah, some cops are so self important that everyone else on this planet is just a wannabie human to them. :barf:

Solinvictus70
June 25, 2003, 12:48 AM
It seems that the local LE are just angry because civilians are trying to take up their slack.

From "The Simpsons":
Homer: "So your saying that you can't do anything to get Apu's kids back?"
Chief Wiggum:"That's right, our hands are tied."
Homer:"We'll see, we'll take the law in our own hands!"
Chief Wiggum:"Yeah, lots of people are doing that these days!"

jimpeel
June 25, 2003, 12:49 AM
These are the types of people who scare the livin' s--- out of police professionals. They see them as a threat to their jobs because if there is anytthing they don't want it is a return to the days before the police were invented where people actually took care of themselves instead of having hired guns do it for them.

Note that these guys are also volunteer firemen. These are the types of people who scare the livin' s--- out of professional firefighters for the same reason.

Sleeping Dog
June 25, 2003, 10:51 AM
The quickest way to get all the bad guys and their marijuana farms and meth factories out of the national forests and back woods -

legalize the stuff. we don' need no steenkin' badges!

Regards.

bogie
June 25, 2003, 11:53 AM
Well, in many rural areas, there _aren't_ any "professional" firefighters.

But there tends to be plenty of volunteers with professional attitudes and professional training.

AZRickD
June 25, 2003, 09:28 PM
This goofy LEO attitude is being shown all over the country. Whenever a Citizen or group of Citizens decides to something on their own, some government bureaucrat repeats that same tired saw.

Women uses gun to protect herself from mugger.

Chief of Police: "I have to advise against that."

Shopowner arms himself against gangs'

Local Sheriff: "I can't condone that."

Accountant holds robber for police.

Highway Patrol Spokesman: "Although it turned out okay this time, we are not in favor of vigilantism."

These big-government types are doing NOTHING more than protecting their turf.

They've grown fat and lazy and are living off the taxed wages of their community members.

Rick
Awaiting for the end of the War on SomeDrugs.

Art Eatman
June 25, 2003, 11:01 PM
El Tejon, is there some innate enhancement of mental superiority and sound judgement in people when they put on a badge? Conversely, are all of us without badges somehow irresponsible by comparison? Less intelligent? Incapable of walking through the woods with a gun and keeping an eye out for Bad Guys?

If I'm safe in the woods during deer season, trusted to obey the game laws and not in great danger of harming myself, why would I suddenly become some sort of incompetent in what is nothing more than what I did as a youngun with my .22 in my grandfather's back pasture? What I regularly do in my own pasture?

The deal is "observe", not "confront". What's so hard about that?

Art

El Tejon
June 25, 2003, 11:08 PM
Art, yes, you're right, of course. However, IME, and perhaps my experience and the coppers out in the hairy-chested West only, the ones that so badly wish to play Batman are the ones who hurt innocents and harm respect for lawful authority. Of course, I have dealt with Batmen who merely wanted to sit in bars and flash their "badge" (most creative was a DoD copper) and pick up campus chicks as well. It was hard picking up the pen to file that case.:D They were the "harmless" type, rather than the ones "arresting" grandma at the Wal-Mart or the mall.

Perhaps if these "Rangers" went to the Sheriff first they could soothe any apprehensions.

Art Eatman
June 25, 2003, 11:22 PM
El Tejon, I agree that there should be generalized oversight. My primary gripe and grump is the kneejerk reaction that nobody not already in law enforcement even knows how to pour pee out of a boot, absent a hole in the toe and directions on the heel.

It's no different from the anti-gun folks describing all of us as knuckle-dragging Neanderthals...

From the original post, the article does not indicate a bunch of bar-fighter wannabes...

Art

AZRickD
June 25, 2003, 11:42 PM
Kneejerk, indeed. As if they learned it all at the last Symposium for LEO Turf Battles break-out session.

the ones that so badly wish to play Batman are the ones who hurt innocents and harm respect for lawful authority.

You have nothing to back that statement up about these people in the NW, or the citizen border patrols in California, Arizona, New Mexico or Texas. I'm sure you all heard about the Border Patrol agent who shot and killed a Mexican national who was armed with rocks last week. I guess that LEO was too gungho.

Let's try this instead,

"The ones that so badly wish to be law enforcement officers are the ones who hurt innocents and harm respect for lawful authority."

These government parasites might be lazy, but they know exactly what they are doing. They have to villify those that would exercise initiative and make the LEOs look exactly like what they are. Lazy parasites.

I do wish that these citizen patrols wouldn't be used to fight the WoSD.

Rick

Frohickey
June 26, 2003, 12:26 AM
The rangers are not law enforcement, though they do have local authorities concerned.

They have bought uniforms, made badges and carry weapons to protect themselves. But they have no more authority than any other citizen.

"I wonder what their motivation is," said Lane County Sheriff Jan Clements, who has never encountered the rangers. "It's kind of like 'wannabe' police officers."


Why am I not surprised by the attitude of Sheriff Jan Clements? Could it be that citizens are tired of the inaction by the law enforcement minions of government and that this is a solution that doesn't have political gridlock or higher taxes? Could it be that these citizens are doing the work that political aspiring law enforcement officers don't want to do? Could it be that if this type of activity is more prevalent, that Sheriff Clements would become Mr. Clements instead?

S_O_Laban
June 26, 2003, 07:02 AM
I wonder what their motivation is," said Lane County Sheriff Jan Clements

I wonder what Sheriff Jan Clements motivation is? Hmmmmm:rolleyes:


I also wonder if some of these Leos that make statements like the one above do so out of fear of publicly supporting something they can't control, but deep down are pulling for this sort of thing? Any of you Leos want to comment on that?

gunsmith
June 26, 2003, 07:42 AM
They have bought uniforms, made badges and carry weapons to protect themselves. But they have no more authority than any other citizen.
I will bet a box of donuts the media got it bass ackwards:fire:
One of the volunteers owns a security guard company,they have badges! probably official security guard badges! ...I am an Armed guard myself,but I leave the badge at home as I would rather NOT be mistaken as a cop.
If I wanted to bust people I would never make it home to watch the SIMPSONS !(DOH!) SF,CA is like that...everyone is breaking the law:rolleyes: In cases like this you can be sure the media is screwing it all up,I bet the reporter misquoted the cops and the volunteers

Art Eatman
June 26, 2003, 08:36 AM
Historically, the U.S. has always had a relatively low density of LEOs per X-thousand citizens, when compared to many other countries. We just didn't need a cop on every corner.

LEO budgets come from tax dollars, and we all know how folks feel about paying out more tax dollars. (Forget the arguments about allocation of tax monies, okay?) So, there is only so much that any LEO agency can do.

But we already know that.

So the gripe is not with the rank-and-file LEOs. They do all they can do in the time they have--and get little thanks. The gripe is with the political types who have bought into the Big Nanny view of government, with the implicit belief that they, and only they, are competent to deal with our various social problems. Ya gotta include sheriffs, police chiefs, mayors and those sycophants, the mediahcrities.

Art

Nightfall
June 26, 2003, 09:54 AM
Awww, is the po-po scared that their job security is being threatened by people actually taking responsibility for their community welfare? That's just too cute. :p

Though I can think of better ways to spend time than busting some fellow growing pot in the woods. :rolleyes:

Some of the rangers say they have been trained as Army Rangers or Navy Seals and in SWAT-team tactics.

Riiiiiiiiight... :neener:

HABU
June 26, 2003, 09:54 PM
Clements, the sheriff, says that when it comes to a group of citizens hunting for marijuana operations or other illegal activity, "I'm not going to endorse that."

Of course not. Stadank is afraid that the Rangers might find his stash or otherwise affect his ability to score.:D

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