Obama on guns.


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limbaughfan
June 12, 2007, 01:10 PM
The following is an exerpt from an article on Barack Obama from wikipedia.

"Gun control
As a state legislator in Illinois, Obama supported banning the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic firearms, increasing state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms and requiring manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.[41] He sponsored a bill in 2000 limiting handgun purchases to one per month. He also voted against a 2004 measure allowing a self-defense exception for people charged with violating local weapons bans by using a gun in their home.[42]

Obama was also a board member[43] of the Joyce Foundation which funds and maintains several gun control organizations in the United States.

During his campaign for US Senate in 2004, Obama was rated F by both the National Rifle Association and Gun Owners of America.[44] He supported several gun control measures, including restricting the purchase of firearms at gun shows and the reauthorization of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban.[45]

While in the US Senate, Obama has voted against legislation protecting firearm manufacturers from liability"

I am 100% opposed to Barack Obama,but it is suprising that any one would openly support banning semiautos. I don't think ive ever heard a presidential canidate openly support a ban on ALL SEMI AUTOS. Also why do so many people want to vote for a man with such horrible positions on guns and other issues. I don't think I know anybody who supports banning semi autos,but the same people say they would vote for Obama, it does'nt make any sense.

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Daemon688
June 12, 2007, 01:56 PM
Rather than rely on Wiki articles for much of anything.....I would suggest this website for information: http://votesmart.org/index.htm. It's actually really good and you can see all their voting records. Why do people say they'll vote for obama? Probably because they don't even know what he stands for....

Leatherneck
June 12, 2007, 01:56 PM
I don't think we need to concern ourselves with Senator Obama: he's a lightweight. Nor do I think he'll gain any National gravitas with attitudes like he exhibits repeatedly. I could be wrong.

TC

Marshall
June 12, 2007, 02:04 PM
I don't think I know anybody who supports banning semi autos

The term "semi-auto" to Suzie Homemaker, is another term for "Assault Weapon". Evil, black stuff, don't you know.

Bula
June 12, 2007, 02:16 PM
Agreed. In my experiences, dealing with the typical ignorant masses, any semi auto is the same as a 'machine gun'.

ArmedBear
June 12, 2007, 02:24 PM
Obama:

Everything you never wanted in a President, and, well, nothing.

cbsbyte
June 12, 2007, 02:26 PM
Personally I believe he would make a great Vice President candidate for Hillary. She will most likely win the Democrat nomination next year, even with her recent missteps with the base of her party. Their is no one in either party that can match her funding and she has Bill. If the election was held tomorrow Hillary would beat the top three Republican candidates with ease. With the current attitude in this nation I would not be surprised to see her, as our next commander in Chief.

theleveloftime
June 12, 2007, 02:34 PM
Obama has had no fucntional relationship with freedom in his whole life, he doesn't even know what it is. The poor man. Not much in the line of personal freedom can come from him. It is like hiring a plumber to make bricks. You can't hire a socialist to make freedom.

mmike87
June 12, 2007, 02:36 PM
There is exactly 0% chance of Barack Hussein Obama becoming President of the United States. Regardless of what anyone thinks the reason for this is, it remains an undisputed fact.

fspitzdorf
June 12, 2007, 02:36 PM
Personally I believe he would make a great Vice President candidate for Hillary. She will most likely win the Democrat nomination next year, even with her recent missteps with the base of her party. Their is no one in either party that can match her funding and she has Bill. If the election was held tomorrow Hillary would beat the top three Republican candidates with ease. With the current attitude in this nation I would not be surprised to see her, as our next commander in Chief.

If I was a whitehouse intern, I'd be afraid... very afraid... :what:

Cliff47
June 12, 2007, 02:57 PM
MMike87, I hope you understand if I don't put money on that. I feel he has a chance of being nominated (between slim and nil), but you never can tell what will happen next.

mmike87
June 12, 2007, 04:15 PM
Cliff47 - a lot of people vote a name.

Hillary CLINTON. Rudy GIULIANI, and so on. Names they recognize. No one will admit it - but the middle name "Hussein" would cost anyone the election in this country. And if he get nominated, believe me his opponents will plaster that middle name all over the place. And that just cost him all the red states. Add in the "rumors" of supposed ties to Islam in his past, and he's done.

Bigotry? Ignorence? Stupidity? Whatever. Fact is I hope he DOES get the nomination - that ensures the Dems lose the election.

We may or may not like that this is how it is - but 80% of people are too stupid to vote intelligently as it is. Fortunately, in this case it works to our favor - but some day it may not.

kcmarine
June 12, 2007, 04:21 PM
If he hates guns so much, why doesn't he just move to England?

mordechaianiliewicz
June 12, 2007, 04:23 PM
Um, not really surprised by this. And, uh, no. He means ALL semi-autos. But then again, he is an idiot.

By the way, I hope the name "Hussein" could keep him out. While I think America is ready for a black President, I don't think we are ready for ANYONE named Hussein.

romma
June 12, 2007, 04:27 PM
If he hates guns so much, why doesn't he just move to England?


Because some people like to spread the misery around and mess it up for everyone else.

They like to "shape" our society and leave their leftist markings wherever they ca...

Marshall
June 12, 2007, 04:31 PM
[QUOTE]No one will admit it - but the middle name "Hussein" would cost anyone the election in this country. And if he get nominated, believe me his opponents will plaster that middle name all over the place. And that just cost him all the red states. Add in the "rumors" of supposed ties to Islam in his past, and he's done.

Bigotry? Ignorence? Stupidity? Whatever. Fact is I hope he DOES get the nomination - that ensures the Dems lose the election.


Or maybe they don't like what he stands for and disagree with him politically. Naaa, couldn't be that. :rolleyes:

Don Gwinn
June 12, 2007, 04:34 PM
Now we hate everyone named Hussein? Seriously?
Does that mean nobody whose Korean parents named him Kim can be President, because he must be in league with Kim Jong Il?
And no Italian kid from the Bronx named "Benito," of course, and it goes without saying that anyone named "Josef" or "Oleg" is out, the commie so-and-so's.

Do you have any idea how many people in the world have the name "Hussein" or "Hossein" in their names? It's like saying you can't be President if you're named Jose.

Acknowledging that such a name might hurt a candidate might be reasonable (though I think many would ask when this nosedive in the polls is supposed to take place) but cheerleading it betrays a lack of thought.

Think twice, post once.

mordechaianiliewicz
June 12, 2007, 04:44 PM
Come on, Don. I'm not saying that this man's name is any reason to deny him the presidency. But, alot of people don't analyze these things like I do.

Most folks see one issue, or idea held by a person, or something like a person's name, and that's that. They don't analyze the issues further.

Myself, I do. I don't want Obama because his politics are more suited for the E.U. than they are for America. I don't like Obama because of his connections to the Daley Regime. I don't think Obama is a good candidate because of his refusal to stop illegal immigration (in fact, encourages it), his hatred of gun rights, and gun owners, his advocacy of federal level social programs that the states, if anyone should do, his hypocrisy concerning trade policy (basically, complaining about outsourcing and lower wages, and then not talking about getting rid of Most Favored Nation status for China, and chucking NAFTA), and the fact he'd love to chuck our national sovreingnty to NAU/SPP traitors.

Most people don't get that deep into the issues. So, we should use that to our advantage.

Don Gwinn
June 12, 2007, 04:49 PM
By the way, I hope the name "Hussein" could keep him out. While I think America is ready for a black President, I don't think we are ready for ANYONE named Hussein.
Come on, Don. I'm not saying that this man's name is any reason to deny him the presidency. But, alot of people don't analyze these things like I do.
My mistake.

Matt King
June 12, 2007, 04:51 PM
I don't think we are ready for ANYONE named Hussein.

Why not? Hussein is merely a name and I like to imagine that Americans are intelligent enough to realize that.

Personally I will never vote for him due to his anti-gun voting history, as well as his close connections with Mayor Daley.

Matt King
June 12, 2007, 04:53 PM
As a state legislator in Illinois, Obama supported banning the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic firearms

Does he mean all semi-autos? He can't be serious. That would make him one of the most anti-gun politicians ever.

Colt
June 12, 2007, 04:55 PM
It's been my experience that ignorant people fear the term "semi-auto" more than the term "auto."

I think it's the somewhat cool, somewhat technical sounding "semi" that makes them cringe. Journalists help propogate the myth; even while trying to write a scary article about evil guns, they like to call them "semi-automatic" because it sounds more serious that just "automatic."

There'd be much better understanding if they were called "somewhat-autos" or "partial-autos".

ArmedBear
June 12, 2007, 05:01 PM
I like "self-loader." Or "goddammitIgottacleanitAGAIN!"

Which reminds me, there was a lone strip club where I grew up, called Papa Joe's Semi-Nude. It had a big sign, and we often passed it on the way to school.

I can't see a thing that starts with Semi- without that memory popping into my head. As a little boy, it sure sounded intriguing to me!:D

High Planes Drifter
June 12, 2007, 05:29 PM
un furor, un richt, un faza land.

Ratzinger_p38
June 12, 2007, 05:46 PM
Personally I believe he would make a great Vice President candidate for Hillary.

cbsbyte, since youre one of the socialists of THR (or are you the anarchist guy?), I assume youll vote for him?

Does he mean all semi-autos? He can't be serious. That would make him one of the most anti-gun politicians ever.

Sure about that? Diane Not-so-Finestein? Chief Justice Burger? I doubt he is serious, that would mean disarming his body guards. We couldnt have that.

damien
June 12, 2007, 06:43 PM
Fred Castro for President!

Marshall
June 12, 2007, 06:49 PM
Fred Castro for President!

Geeze,

Is this really how you Ron Paul supporters want to be associated, with this?

We have some sharp people on this site that are RP supporters, but you do them no favors acting foolish, or your candidate either. I'll promise you RP would dissociate himself with you for the likes of this.

yhtomit
June 12, 2007, 07:21 PM
"I am 100% opposed to Barack Obama,but it is suprising that any one would openly support banning semiautos. I don't think ive ever heard a presidential canidate openly support a ban on ALL SEMI AUTOS."

I think one reason for such grandiose claims / aims is to then soften the legislation down only to "most" semi-autos (because of an overarching charity and spirit of munificent compromise, don'tcha know), or (damn those unreasonable, recalcitrant gun-owning bullies!) even "some" semi-autos, of which the sponsors are happy to provide a list, or a litany of especially frightening features.

timothy

Turkey Creek
June 12, 2007, 07:45 PM
I have read his book "The Audacity Of Hope" because it is wise to know thy opponent- He was really very quiet about gun control in it- The most damaging statement in the whole thing from a firearms perspective was when he said he was against firearms in the inner city- He made reference to firearms only three or four times in the enitre work-

Comparing this to his track record, IMHO, means that he is either downplaying his anti stance legitmately, or he is trying to snooker us- I believe it is the later-

ArmedBear
June 12, 2007, 07:48 PM
I think one reason for such grandiose claims / aims is to then soften the legislation down only to "most" semi-autos

Maybe so in Congress, but that's not why someone would put it in his campaign platform.

bl4ckd0g
June 12, 2007, 07:53 PM
He's trying to snooker us. His approach seems rather clinton-esqe from '92. It will be a vague, insidious approach to the White house if he makes it past the primary.

Obama has a hard enough time committing to the 10 second soundbyte policies during his previous debates. His standard answer was "please check out my website"

During the Las Vegas debate, on UNLV audience member had a friend check his federalized healthcare policy on the Obama '08, and duly confronted him later in the debate since his website was all advertising an no substance.

Hilary will smoke him in the primary, and hopefully the repubs will do the same to her.

pacodelahoya
June 12, 2007, 07:54 PM
csbyte, that would certainly get the party started in any event!!:evil: Maybe I would be able to accomplish something meaningful in my lifetime.;)

DouglasW
June 12, 2007, 08:16 PM
fred castro for president

RuPaul '08!

Is this really how you Ron Paul supporters want to be associated, with this?


Ummm....his sig line says RuPaul (http://www.rupaul.com/), not Ron Paul. I think he jests :p

Daemon688
June 12, 2007, 08:52 PM
http://votesmart.org/npat.php?can_id=9490#826

Indicate which principles you support (if any) concerning gun issues.
X a) Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
X b) Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
c) Maintain state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
d) Ease state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
e) Repeal state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms by law-abiding citizens.
f) Favor allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms.
X g) Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
h) Other
_________________________________________________________________

Ratzinger_p38
June 12, 2007, 09:00 PM
X a) Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.

It's been discussed at length. He hushed hushed it almost as soon as he announced his prez run (it disappeared off his website IIRC). Banning semi-autos would ban just about every gun in the USA.

Marshall
June 12, 2007, 09:00 PM
Ummm....his sig line says RuPaul, not Ron Paul. I think he jests

Oh :o

Thanks

Lucky I didn't even know what that was. If I would have, I would have said something more. :rolleyes:

lamazza
June 12, 2007, 09:07 PM
buthesarticulate

STAGE 2
June 12, 2007, 10:55 PM
So when Hillary gives him the nod for VP lets still write in Ron Paul to send a message. Its worth having him presiding over the senate:rolleyes:

Standing Wolf
June 12, 2007, 11:31 PM
He's Mrs. Snopes Clinton's honorary red carpet.

Redneck with a 40
June 13, 2007, 12:19 AM
FRED THOMPSON '08!:neener::D

On a serious note though, I agree O'Bama has no chance of being the Dem nominee. The Democrats seem to think that Hillary gives them the best chance of beating the Repub's. If Fred Thompson gets in, he will wipe the floor with Hillary. Talk about a stark contrast, nanny state socialism compared to a common sense freedom ideology. I think the latter would win out in spades.

esmith
June 13, 2007, 12:25 AM
People support him because he is half black and since so many people think that the black community is still opressed and underminded they feel sympathetic towards him. I have heard people say things such as "It's so hard for Obama because of his race to run against people with more expierence."

precisionshootist
June 13, 2007, 03:03 AM
Obama and Hillary are perfect examples of the type of person our entire system of government is designed to protect us against. These are the type people the founding fathers feared most when they began laying the foundations of our constitution and the bill of rights. It's pretty scary to think a significant percentage of the American voting population has become so ignorant and incompetent that they do not recognize socialism when it stares them in the face.

Dan from MI
June 13, 2007, 05:10 AM
Barack Obama was a BOARD member of the JOYCE FOUNDATION. That makes him the biggest threat to freedom of all the candidates - and that takes work with this bunch of jokers.

vito
June 13, 2007, 08:39 AM
If you don't think names count, do you think a candidate named Adolf would have a chance? As for Obama, those of us in Illinois who know him fear him. He has a way of charming people, even those who should know better. He is an anti-gun, ultra pro union legislator who never stood up to the Illinois Democrat machine, and is in fact a part of that machine.

Mannix
June 13, 2007, 08:55 AM
Obama and Hillary are perfect examples of the type of person our entire system of government is designed to protect us against. These are the type people the founding fathers feared most when they began laying the foundations of our constitution and the bill of rights. It's pretty scary to think a significant percentage of the American voting population has become so ignorant and incompetent that they do not recognize socialism when it stares them in the face.

Your deluding yourself if you think they don't recognize it. What they don't recognize is the threat of socialism. Most would be quite content to live in the UK, with it's constant surveillance and big brother gov't to keep them safe. They just don't see the problem with it. I was like that once, I admit. I know it sounds a little kooky, but the schools are nothing but socialist brainwashing facilities.

Simple
June 13, 2007, 09:51 AM
Can anyone say "lack of experience"?
Who is the last congressman elected to President?
Most of these guys have an anti-gun ora, and we are focusing on very anti-gun canidates in an anti-gun party?



-Stop giving my money away to my lazy neighbor

S.P.E.C.T.R.E.
June 13, 2007, 11:36 AM
Why not? Hussein is merely a name and I like to imagine that Americans are intelligent enough to realize that.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA nice try. Americans are responsible for the likes of Ted Kennedy getting re-elected 900 times. As a group, humans can be pretty stupid.

Also, politics is heavily influenced by names. It might sound retarded, but a politician having a middle name of Hussein now would be like John Hitler Smith running for President in 1945.

scout26
June 13, 2007, 12:06 PM
Barak Obama = M. T. Suit.

His platform is "I'm not Bush, nor do I have the baggage of Hilllary." He is trying/using the "triangluation" strategy, but not taking a real stand on any of the issues and focusing on being the media's darling.

He is a gun-grabbing Chicago liberal/socialist. Do not be fooled.

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