Posted a link to the James Castilla thread to DU.


June 24, 2003, 09:43 AM
It's bearing fruit.

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June 24, 2003, 10:05 AM
What a bunch of whack-jobs over there...

June 24, 2003, 10:14 AM
I keep getting banned from that site.:neener: . It's kinda my new hobby.:evil:

June 24, 2003, 10:25 AM
Norm.357 - same with me. What's your current username there?

June 24, 2003, 10:31 AM
Goreliks. The last time I was banned, it was because I made a report to the secret service about death threats against POTUS, waited a coup-le of days and posted that on the board.:D

June 24, 2003, 10:33 AM
OK, I tried. Now where did I leave that bottle of Pepto?

:barf: :barf: :barf:

June 24, 2003, 10:35 AM
Oh now I get it.... The high road vs the Underground.

It all makes sense now.

June 24, 2003, 10:42 AM
What do you mean?

June 24, 2003, 10:47 AM
Norm357 - come post on Justice/Public Safety.:D

June 24, 2003, 11:03 AM

There is no point in dealing with bigots.

Hey, how old are you anyways?


June 24, 2003, 11:05 AM
Holy crap!!! That MrBenchley is real mouth, isn't he? Everyone over there keeps asking him to back up his ideas/statements but he can't. He just spews insults and generally annoys his own board members.


June 24, 2003, 11:09 AM
Wow. That was awful. It's like watching 3rd graders argue. "You didn't prove it!" "Yes I did" "No you didn't" "I did too" "No you didn't!" "Yes I did, and you're a retard!"

I needed that link like I need pernicious anemia.

- Gabe

June 24, 2003, 11:37 AM
But one of them WAS smart:

I found that board to be composed of many intelligent, decent folk. Not the rabid 2nd amendment type of redneck, in fact I will
return to that board and have become a member due to the reasoned
and kind responses to the questioner.
I have several guns all self defense type as I no longer hunt, since I figured out I knew more men that needed killing than animals. Fortunately I have never needed to use any for self defense but when traveling I have felt a lot more secure in strange motels and if ever stranded by the side of the road.

I believe well-meaning liberals are beating a dead horse on the gun issue and it will never be overturned and it only gives us a weak-kneed Nelly reputation. As that site shows responsible gun owners are good citizens maybe we need more of them on this board. Gun owners that is! If you noticed they are very concerned
about all of our civil rights and they are not all freepers, mayhhap we could use them as allies in our cause, with the same kind of reasoned response most of them showed the questioner.

June 24, 2003, 11:39 AM
MB, good move posting that link on DU. I visit there from time to time, and I think this one may just have a "ripple effect" among the more sane members over there (yes, I know many of them are not sane, but you can't win 'em all...).

June 24, 2003, 11:49 AM
Wow.....I read about 4 posts over there and I feel physically sick.

You have to love this line: "Stay away from gun nut boards.
You cannot argue or reason with them, there world is black and white."

Sure....the people on your board are completely open minded and open to logical non confrontational debate. :rolleyes:

June 24, 2003, 12:02 PM
Remember - Stupidity is forever, but ignorance can be cured. I _always_ assume that someone who thinks I should be disarmed is merely ignorant.

Carlos Cabeza
June 24, 2003, 12:10 PM
Hey, I liked the DU board, I think I'll start hanging out there..............................My kinda folks....................:neener: :neener: Just kidding. I had a momentary lapse of reason.....:D

June 24, 2003, 12:34 PM
If it's democratic, why is it underground? :D

I seriously believe most of those people are mentally ill.....

I used to harass them, but it's just not worth it....:)

June 24, 2003, 02:13 PM
A couple of decent responses (made me suspect that some of you guys were undercover in the Underground). Other than that, I could feel my IQ dropping with each post I read.


Carlos Cabeza
June 24, 2003, 02:21 PM
Sheslinger's on to us guys.........:D ;)

CZ 75 BD
June 24, 2003, 03:01 PM
most of them seem to be ad hominem attacks on gun owners in general and THR members in particular.

This has been a hoot!


I first found DU when Neal Boortz linked to some of the more idiotic posts. A source of cheap entertainment.:neener:

James Castilla
June 24, 2003, 03:09 PM
My gosh, I can say for sure that this isnt what I thought was going to happen...but Im starting to see which side is the more rational.

DU Quote: "What I have proved is what I have proved, As for respect, that's earned....want to hear how much you've earned?"

THR Quote: "I will never aquiesce and relegate any or all aspects and applications of everyday life that are even fractionally congruent to my safety and security and thus my natural and inherent liberty to another person, civil authority, or theologic dogma - even under duress to comply with a contemporary and popular fad that so deviously and methodically insitst I cherish helplessness, weakness, and thence devoiton to the patriarchial governance of the cattle-herder of the socialist.
There is a wonder to be embraced with relish and joy in achieving and pursuing the legitimacy to stand beside the ghosts of those bloodied patriots, men and women and children, ordinary people, who shook the bedrock of this planet and, for the first time saw simple ideas become the words:
"We, the People. . ." not bestowed benevolently by a totalitarian government, authorized by a theocratic dogma - it is what makes us completely unique in the entire history of man - and it has incredible, broad, persistent responsibilities."

The only thing Im worried about now is a DU member snapping and going on a shooting spree:uhoh:


June 24, 2003, 04:03 PM
Heh - Yeah, I think that more than a few folks who just plain don't like guns _know_ deep in their psyches that they'd be the ones who'd go on a rampage - So, they seek to transfer this to other people.... More than a few times I've heard folks say "I just couldn't have one of those in my house - I just know I'd shoot someone."

Pretty weird... And if you wanna get a few laughs at someone's expense, agree with them, and let them know that you're very grateful that they've realized their mental health issues, and that you're glad that they're seeking help with their anger issues. They _are_ seeking help, right? (look VERY concerned as they start to grow purple...)

A few years ago, when Missouri was having the referendum on concealed carry, I got into a discussion... The person I was talking with couldn't grasp the difference between a legally armed person, and a criminal. He told me that if he was in a restaurant, and knew that someone was carrying a concealed handgun, he'd "grab a steak knife and stab them before they could shoot everyone." He failed to realize that his hypothesized actions were INCREDIBLY violent, given the circumstances.

You'll find that many "gun nuts" are incredibly peaceful people. The fact that we have the means at hand to make the command "please go away and don't bother me" actually work at times enables this.

June 24, 2003, 04:21 PM
"I know you are, but what am I?"

Truely master debaters. I can't believe these people get any of their laws passed.

June 24, 2003, 04:57 PM
Yes. They were master debating alright. :neener:

June 24, 2003, 05:16 PM
Most people there are ignorant beyond belief.:barf:

June 24, 2003, 05:35 PM
Raging Against Self Defense:
A Psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality

By Sarah Thompson, M.D.

June 24, 2003, 05:36 PM
That reminded me a lot of kindergarten - especially the one that just wrote "Gun Nut" over and over - either that or a mental hospital.
Who's really the "nut" - me because I have a gun (or guns) or the person 1000 miles away crying because they don't like the fact that I can own a gun?

June 24, 2003, 05:52 PM
Against my better judgement, I actually read the entire linked thread, and I'm still shaking my head. I even had to register and post a reply to that "MrBenchley" fool, as follows. I'm wondering if he'll even BOTHER to reply.

"Why is Switzerland, with each home issued a selective fire assault rifle, not overrun with violent crime?"
Perhaps because in Switzerland not only is every rifle and gun owner strictly registered, but every round of ammunition must be accounted for in WRITING."

For your "logic" to make sense, MrBenchley, I would have to believe that the possible consequences of not being able to produce your issued ammunition would have to be a whole lot MORE SEVERE than the consequences of using your issued STG90 and 500 rounds of ammunition in some sort of mass killing. Somehow, I don't think this is the case, do you? Or are you saying that a Swiss citizen who is considering killing his neighbours suddenly has a flash of thought along the lines of "Oh no! If I open up my ammuntion ration (issued to provide ammo until I can get to my assigned depot) and use that rifle and ammunition to kill a bunch of people, I MIGHT GET IN TROUBLE FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO PRODUCE MY ISSUED EQUIPMENT AT THE NEXT INSPECTION."
You're going to have to come up with a better explanation, methinks.

June 24, 2003, 05:56 PM
I read a lot of that thread and saw this way down:

"The High Road folks were uniformly nice to the newbie"

one of the DU people read the J Castilla thread and was impressed with how we were respectful and didnt act like the anti gun people on DU
go THR!

June 24, 2003, 06:10 PM
I just posted there, under the same user name, except without the dash.

June 24, 2003, 06:22 PM
I'm halfway down the thread, and suprisingly they haven't sunk to calling each other freeps yet, or claiming the THR thread is a hoax.

I should send this link to my sister. She'd fit in nicely over there :|

June 24, 2003, 06:37 PM

While I appreciate that the Castilla thread was great (and it really was!), this thread is hardly a great advertisement for THR.

Someone commented that their thread was nothing but a bunch of ad-hominems against gun owners and THR members. And this one is ... what??

Because of that, and because THR does not do forum wars, this thread is closed.


We hardly find any persons of good sense, save those who agree with us. -- La Rochefoucauld

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