A Gay Liberal Guy Explores Ohio Gun Culture


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Kentak
June 12, 2007, 10:31 PM
An interesting read. A little long, but do-able.

http://www.freetimes.com/stories/15/5/the-way-of-the-gun

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Don Gwinn
June 12, 2007, 10:53 PM
Meh. Pretty standard new-guy fare. Be interesting if some of these guys who write these pieces just as they're dipping their toes in went back five or ten years later and wrote about re-reading them.

Abby
June 12, 2007, 10:55 PM
That's actually a really good read. Thanks for posting it!

samtechlan
June 12, 2007, 11:02 PM
Thanks for posting, good story. Women, minorities, gays have more reason to pack than a 6 foot bodybuilder, but unfortunately they have been brainwashed by popular culture to avoid guns.

pdowg881
June 12, 2007, 11:23 PM
Very emotional article. It seems like his fear is making him start to realize why some carry instead of the guns are evil aspect.

CypherNinja
June 13, 2007, 04:11 PM
Thanks for posting, good story. Women, minorities, gays have more reason to pack than a 6 foot bodybuilder, but unfortunately they have been brainwashed by popular culture to avoid guns.

+1

I'm 6ft 250 lbs (not all of which is fat, but no bodybuilder), but when people ask me why I support gun ownership my usual reply is along those lines. I may be statistically less likely to need a gun in an assault, but there are plenty of people out there which a gun may be their only effective means of defense.

"God created man, but Samuel Colt made them equal." and all that.... :)


I'm definitely going to have to track down a hard copy of that article, though. It's wild hearing someone talk about all those places I occasionally haunt in a gun article.


Stonewall is a sweet range, BTW. My local place is a dump, but it's 5 mins away and Stonewall is on the West Side. (40 mins away) :(

jlbraun
June 13, 2007, 04:19 PM
I like it. I used to live in Cleveland.

obxned
June 13, 2007, 05:00 PM
There are certain groups of people in the world who are almost always the targets of hate. I'll never understand why they aren't all fully prepared to stay safe.

JJpdxpinkpistols
June 13, 2007, 05:28 PM
I know exactly how he feels. I am a "recent" convert to gun culture (5 years now), have been involved in the world of gay men and lesbians for two decades now, and used to vote for liberals almost exclusively.

I remember my mother chastising us for pointing STICKS at each other when we were kids. All the other kids had Star Wars blasters to play with, but we wouldn't even allowed the toy light sabers.

Ultimately, what broke it was a nutball chasing me down the street three blocks to my car, and my realizing that I didn't have a tool to effectively deal with the situation, and my wife becoming ill enough to not be able to run.

Tomorrow, I introduce her to the cult of the shotgun. Wheeeee!

JaxNovice
June 13, 2007, 05:45 PM
I really enjoyed that article. Interesting read.

Crunker1337
June 13, 2007, 05:51 PM
Eh, he was doing good until the end when he said that he could never hold a firearm again and equates that to killing someone.

jselvy
June 13, 2007, 06:00 PM
Not everyone can take on the terrible burden of being a citizen.
These people will alway remain subjects.

Jefferson

LawBot5000
June 13, 2007, 06:49 PM
Wow, I can't imagine someone breaking in here and coming back the next day to steal more stuff. Reincarnation takes longer than that, no?

Still, he reaches the correct conclusion that if the police won't protect him, he should protect himself.

Dorryn
June 13, 2007, 06:59 PM
Some people would rather be hurt than hurt others. They dont realize that the expectation of significant bodily harm is enough to present the deterrent effect of a firearm. The author probably expects death is a likely result of drawing on an attacker.

Deanimator
June 13, 2007, 07:23 PM
Still, he reaches the correct conclusion that if the police won't protect him, he should protect himself.
If I recall where he lives, it's more a case of they CAN'T protect him, just as they mostly likely can't protect any one of us. I have a reasonable expectation that my local PD would LIKE to protect me, but I'd have to be smoking catfood to think they CAN.

Given that the guy is gay, there may very well be places where they either don't care if they "protect" him, or outright don't want to.

In any case, if you're not prepared to protect yourself, the overwhelming odds are that you won't be protected at all.

I responded to a Chicago cop on a Chicago cop's blog this morning. Somebody was gloating about the removal of the Office of Professional Standards from the Chicago PD and how that would put a hurting on the Chicago PD. He asked rhetorically who the guy would call if he was mugged or if his home were invaded. I asked the cop what he was going to do, since unless he was specifically detailed to protect him, the guy was strictly on his own anyway. I reminded the cop that he has no meaningful duty to protect, maybe no desire, and almost definitely no ability. I told him [truthfully] that my godsister had been stabbed to death by her boyfriend. I asked him why he didn't "protect" her...

jlbraun
June 13, 2007, 07:36 PM
Crunker1337:
Eh, he was doing good until the end when he said that he could never hold a firearm again and equates that to killing someone.

Where does he say that? It seems like he might be becoming rational and defense-minded.

As I drive, I am suddenly overcome with a mix of anger, fear and frustration — emotions that again make me reevaluate my position. More friends affected by crime, and no way to protect ourselves.

But there is a way we could protect ourselves, something Jim helped me learn just weeks before: We could all start carrying guns.

It seems irrational, but fear is irrational. And I begin to understand how that fear could drive people to arm themselves. I'm not on either "side" like Toby Hoover or Jim Irvine. I, like so many Ohioans, fall somewhere in the middle. Guns still feel like the ultimate solution, something I'm not ready to embrace yet.

But if the police won't or can't protect me and my friends, taking matters into my own hands doesn't seem irrational anymore.

mordechaianiliewicz
June 13, 2007, 07:40 PM
Mr. Gay Liberal Guy might be too far into the mode of thinking that says, "I can't hurt anybody. OMG!"

Then again, he might be able to make a full conversion. Now, one of my best friends is a gay man. He is often liberal in many of his views. But, he is also ex-military, a Southerner from Lousiana, and owns an AK and keeps more ammo around than I do.

I have discovered that liberal and gay do not equal anti-gun. But, that being said, far too many are. Hopefully, we can change that.

Prince Yamato
June 13, 2007, 09:27 PM
I seriously think, if we can get the gay community pro-gun, we'd have nothing to fear from the liberals any more... oh and we'd have fabulous furniture for our Kalashnikovs :)

jselvy
June 13, 2007, 09:55 PM
I'm pro Pink Guns.
I'd like to outnumber the opposition for once.
I'm pro minorities with guns
It is awfully hard to oppress an armed society.
I'm pro women with guns
I like Dead Rapists and molesters
I'm pro high school training
If it works for condoms why not for AK's

Jefferson

SoCalShooter
June 13, 2007, 09:57 PM
Well its a nice read, hopefully a convert, everyone has a right to protect themselves, any race, creed etc.

crebralfix
June 13, 2007, 10:06 PM
I love the line: "There are no verified statistics that anyone is safer with a gun."

Well, gee-whiz, if I use a gun to fend off a violent attacker, it can be argued that I AM safer. There's a verified data point right there.

matt87
June 13, 2007, 10:12 PM
I think with a little more help from the right people, rainbow-colored grips on a nice handgun will be in that guy's future :D

jerkyman45
June 13, 2007, 10:27 PM
decent enough read, worth the time. the one thing that got me was when that anti said "There are no verified statistics that anyone is safer with a gun." I think it can be infered by the statistic that DOJ got back when they interviewed the convicts and found that something like 34% had been forcibly disuaded from engaging in violence toward someone due to that someone being armed.

SuperNaut
June 13, 2007, 10:34 PM
I think with a little more help from the right people, rainbow-colored grips on a nice handgun will be in that guy's future

I was thinking sterling silver equal symbol inlays on the grips

=

Hell, on second thought I might do that...

Marshall
June 13, 2007, 10:45 PM
Call me crazy, but I have my doubts this was written for the purpose of being pro gun. There's more descriptive anti-gun stuff written in there than there is pro gun. It almost seems like it's an anti article trying to look non bias via an innocent first time, first hand experience.

Signed,
Suspicious.

Kael
June 13, 2007, 11:14 PM
It almost seems like it's an anti article trying to look non bias via an innocent first time, first hand experience.

I don't disagree, but he ended on a pretty strong note, his friends at the hospital and the realization that only he can protect himself. To me it reads more like he had a strong anti bias before, but is starting to come around. (though granted, he has a long way to go.)

If (when?) he realizes the anti position is based on deception and false statistics, I think he'd be less divided on the issue.

Kentak
June 13, 2007, 11:26 PM
Marshall,

Respectfully, I think you're looking at the article with the wrong expectation. I didn't post the article because I thought it was a great pro-gun screed. I viewed it as the story of a guy who was about as far away from involvement with the "gun culture" as you can get, who wrote about his brief foray into that culture and the reasons for it. As a journalist, he presented some of the views of both pro and anti gun people in a way that I thought was, at least, balanced. As I see it, the article is very positive for RKBA even though the writer didn't become a total convert and is ambiguous about his own ability to use a firearm in a self-defense situation. It's positive because he got a bit of the "good" message to an audience that would have not have read it, much less given it any thought, coming from a know pro-gun "conservative" writer. So, here's one of their own, saying, "But if the police won't or can't protect me and my friends, taking matters into my own hands doesn't seem irrational anymore." For some of the readers, it probably won't change any minds, especially if they are the pacifist types. But, for some it may be a baby step or seed that will lead to reconsidering their guns = evil mode of thinking.

K

alan
June 14, 2007, 12:40 AM
Having browsed through the referenced piece, it sounds to me as if the writer has some serious "issues", issues seemingly being the current term of art for what we used to refer to as "problems". BTW, his sexual orientitation, being a personal matter, is NOT one of the above referrenced.

As for Wal-Mart, and the response he got, I would make so bold as to say that Wal-Mart, and their double-talk is a problem.

toivo
June 14, 2007, 02:42 AM
Eh, he was doing good until the end when he said that he could never hold a firearm again and equates that to killing someone.

That wasn't the end. The end was where he said, "But if the police won't or can't protect me and my friends, taking matters into my own hands doesn't seem irrational anymore."

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