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xd9fan
June 13, 2007, 01:15 PM
Wow is he mad at Bush.
Today and yesterday he is asking for everyone to call the GOP and Dem headquerters to ask everyone to remove themselves from their "registered voters" list and claim Independent instead.

He's finally livid with Bush and congress with the Illegal amnestly bill.
And the fact the Congress is no longer listening to the people.

He also stated that the another day he was in Texas and for the first time in his life (hes 43) in 24 hours he heard 11 comments from people that if congress does not start listening, that its time to "lock and load". He was amazed.

little DieHard quote here.."welcome to the party pal!"


(I dont have access to his beck 'insider' audio archive to post it)

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araiford
June 13, 2007, 01:18 PM
It is clear that the President and Congress are not upholding their oath of office (the part about supporting and defending the Constitution...).

Henry Bowman
June 13, 2007, 01:28 PM
ask everyone to remove themselves from their "registered voters" list and claim Independent instead.Great plan. :rolleyes: Let the primaries go to a milk-toast, middle-of-the-road, stands-for-nothing candidate who then gets buried in the general election by Obama or Hillary.

How about we hold Congress' feet to the fire and challenge the spineless ones later in the primaries.

crazed_ss
June 13, 2007, 01:30 PM
11 comments from people that if congress does not start listening, that its time to "lock and load". He was amazed.

:confused:

What is locking and loading going to accomplish? Are these 11 people gonna go around shooting Mexicans or something? Are they gonna mount an assault on Capitol Hill?

:rolleyes:

Steve499
June 13, 2007, 03:05 PM
I'm all for holding a few feet to the fire, but the only way I know to do that is through stopping my fairly regular, though modest contributions to the RNC. I tried to explain to a caller from the RNC the reasons they would get no further financial support from me until they started dancing with those who brought them, but he wasn't interested in my dissatisfaction, just my money.

I'm fully aware you don't win by losing. How do you get the attention of those who could turn things around, though, short of withdrawing from them and letting them get tossed out? They apparently AIN'T listening!

Steve

Titan6
June 13, 2007, 03:19 PM
What are people in Texas so mad about?

- The immigration bill?
- Gov. Perry's betrayal on immigration among other issues?
- Katrina Refugees?
- Big Brother on the highways?
- Real ID?
- Passports to go to Mexico? (Until you have seen 5000 different PO'd people standing in line every single day for months on end you have not lived.)


People are just getting warmed up.

Locking and Loading? Sounds like grandstanding to me. We would never tell a Yankee such a thing (or wherever he is from).

El Tejon
June 13, 2007, 03:25 PM
Yeah, last time Texans "locked and loaded" it did not turn out well for them.:D Happy Juneteenth, btw.;)

If people are really mad then they will sit down and write their representative and Senators. Silly comments will let off steam but accomplish nothing.

S.P.E.C.T.R.E.
June 13, 2007, 03:28 PM
I've been a pretty big Bush supporter for most of his time in office, but I'm parting ways with him on the Shamnesty fiasco. He ramrodding a bill through that has little citizen support, and he's expecting us to accept it. Not likely.

MarshallDodge
June 13, 2007, 03:30 PM
It's all about money.

The last time everyone got mad at a Bush they voted independent and a Clinton won :rolleyes:

Waitone
June 13, 2007, 05:08 PM
While the defenders of the Alamo put on a good show, it fell to members of other states to teach them how to fight. Seems three of the top 5 commanders in the Alamo were from SC including one William Barrett Travis of Charleston.

SoCalShooter
June 13, 2007, 05:13 PM
Today and yesterday he is asking for everyone to call the GOP and Dem headquerters to ask everyone to remove themselves from their "registered voters" list and claim Independent instead.


Best thing to come out of his mouth in a while, perhaps he is coming around to the Ron Paul way of thinking.

pablo45
June 13, 2007, 05:14 PM
Seems like he is digging holes for future G.O.P. candidates and they are not very happy with it either. Does he not know where his ranch is in texas?

lanternlad1
June 13, 2007, 05:19 PM
This time, it really has very little to do with money. The Amnesty bill is part of a bigger picture - The North American Union. It began with Clinton signing the NAFTA agreement, and is continuing with Bush trying to "open the borders". Next comes the Trans Texas Corridor, the first of of the NAFTA SuperHighway System, then, little by little, the end of American Soverignty. It does not matter who you vote for, the end is in sight. The only hope as I see it, is to emigrate to a State that will not tolerate such actions (Vermont, Montana, Alaska) and brace for secession and possible civil war. Keeping your guns and getting more guns into the hands of the people is the only thing that will force the Govt to listen. They disarmed Europe, and it fell like a house of cards. We're next. Then comes Oceana (Australia), the Asian Union, The African Union, and so on. Leading to a one world government. But don't take my word for it, research it for yourselves. I wish I were making it up. I really do.

Shanghai McCoy
June 13, 2007, 06:54 PM
I had a call from the RNC and the guy asked me my opinion of the President.I told the guy that I thought he was doing as good a job as his father did...:rolleyes:

He didn't get it cause he thanked me and asked for money.I politely declined...

xd9fan
June 13, 2007, 06:56 PM
I called the RNC and told them to take me off every list they had.
The gal asked for my complete name , address and phone #:uhoh:
I said if you cant figure it out with my name and zip forget it. :rolleyes:

LawBot5000
June 13, 2007, 07:35 PM
Where has this rage been the past 20 years? Where was it a few years ago during the Minuteman thing? Where was it during the Clinton years? I don't see this as genuine. If they were really angry enough to blow stuff up, we would be seeing it in the news.

And we don't need angry people to stay home or register as independents, we need them to vote in the damn republican primary. We need someone who is solidly anti-illegal-immigration or we will just continue to get this death of a thousand cuts by people who don't care about border security.

JerryM
June 13, 2007, 07:40 PM
I voted for Bush and am not sorry, but I also have been dissatisfied with his performance lately.
He has shown weakness regarding the firings of the attorneys. He should have told Congress that they serve at his pleasure, and he can fire them because of the color of their eyes if he wants to, and to go fly a kite. Also for them to get on with something useful.

I have never liked the Attorney General, but would not fire him over that particular issue. I would fire him as he has permitted prosecution of the wrong people, such as the Border Patrol agents.

The immigration bill is amnesty and I don't care what they call it. I wrote the RNC and told them they could expect no more support from me.
I might make an exception in the case of Heather Wilson, although she is not my representative. But no one else has a chance of getting a penny for me until they clean up their act.

I won't vote for any of the current front runners, but I hope someone will replace them, and I can vote for him. I hate to see Clinton or Obama get in, but I am not going to vote for the current front runners in the Republican party.

I fear that the Republicans are going to take a real whipping in 2008.

Jerry

obiwan1
June 13, 2007, 07:52 PM
Titan: It's not passports to go to Mexico, it's passports to come from Mexico! How many Latin Americans look like a sizable portion of the legal citizens of Texas!? How many Iranians can easily look Latin American. You either want security of the homeland or you don't. Which is it?

xd9fan
June 14, 2007, 12:28 AM
I fear that the Republicans are going to take a real whipping in 2008.

they deserve it
Dont blame me for not voting for them....they screwed up.....not me.

Ratzinger_p38
June 14, 2007, 12:53 AM
I fear that the Republicans are going to take a real whipping in 2008.

I wouldnt be so sure. I think the Democrats are making bad choices on who they are making their nominees. I suspect Hilary and Obama are a bit far to the left for most of America...sort of like if the Republicans nominated Trent Lott right now...too far to the right for most of America.

araiford
June 14, 2007, 01:08 AM
"I fear that the Republicans are going to take a real whipping in 2008. "

I doubt the Republicans will ever again have a majority in the House or Senate, nor win the Presidency.

MikeG
June 14, 2007, 01:24 AM
I think both sides are really disappointing the ordinary citizen. The 2008 election needs a "none of the above" option on the ballot

gopguy
June 14, 2007, 09:53 AM
The last time everyone got mad at a Bush they voted independent and a Clinton won

Yeah, lets not repeat that ugly part of our history friends.

I am on the Republican Central Committee up here. I can tell you most of us are very unhappy about the shamnasty bill. We may be Republican's but when the President is wrong we tell him and our Representatives and Senators in Congress. We do not march in lock step when the President is wrong. We are not lemmings going over the cliff like Dems can be. It is telling Harry Reid can only get 32 votes for the current bill and most Republicans oppose the bill. So don't punish the Republicans in '08 for a man who will not be on the ticket.

Vote for the Democrats in '08 and you can count on them raising your taxes, banning your guns, hand you defeat in the war against Islamofascist terrorists and they will give illegal aliens amnesty. Once they realize this it will be a rallying cry for the right and all Americans with a modicum of common sense.

FieroCDSP
June 14, 2007, 10:06 AM
I fear that the Republicans are going to take a real whipping in 2008

And we're the ones going to pay the price. I DO think we are seeing some parts of the country waking up to what goes on in Washington because of the Shamnesty bill. I also think that the representatives that have changed their tune are realizing their jobs actually do rest on the people. I have become disappointed in Bush's latest set of policies, but I think the Gore/Kerry alternative time-line would have killed us all by now. I think the Pres is starting to buckle under the idea that he's essentialy a lame-duck now. I think he should focus on ticking off Pelosi on a daily basis and give up the Shamnesty thought process.

Titan6
June 14, 2007, 10:17 AM
---Vote for the Democrats in '08 and you can count on them raising your taxes, banning your guns, hand you defeat in the war against Islamofascist terrorists and they will give illegal aliens amnesty. Once they realize this it will be a rallying cry for the right and all Americans with a modicum of common sense.---

I am sorry I lost a train of thought here so how is this different than what we have we the current repubs? The party that lost it's soul and has expanded the size of the government, collected more taxes, driven us deeper into debt, giving amnesty, restricted our freedoms, curtailed the bill of rights, expanded authortarian rule and NOT won the ehh what did you call it; ''the war against Islamofascist terrorists''?

Oh yeah guns.

Your front runners Rudy and Romeny are pro gun! Romney joined the NRA! He must be one of us now! Oh wait he supports the AWB. Never mind. Go sell Crazy somewhere else....

Waitone
June 14, 2007, 10:26 AM
Vote for the Democrats in '08 and you can count on them raising your taxes, banning your guns, hand you defeat in the war against Islamofascist terrorists and they will give illegal aliens amnesty. Once they realize this it will be a rallying cry for the right and all Americans with a modicum of common sense.
Today 12:24 AM I hesitate to make this observation but I will dood it. I just don't see republicans doing much different. Sorry. Republicans are as much a part of the problem as democrats. :scrutiny:

fineredmist
June 14, 2007, 10:37 AM
I have supported the Republican Party for years and now that they have become RINOs I no long send money, I send bricks. They usually send a letter every month or so looking for money to "fight for the American people" and enclose a return postage paid return envelope.

All you need to do is write a polite note explaining why you will not contribute, then neatly wrap a brick (or other heavy and HARMLESS object), tape the two together and put it in the mail.

I believe that if they would receive a few thousand of these a week they would get the message that they have forgotten their conservative base. The way to get them is at the voteing booth and their pocket books.

Send them a brick or two, it will make you feel better, maybe open thier eyes and best of all they pay the freight.

xd9fan
June 14, 2007, 11:32 AM
I am sorry I lost a train of thought here so how is this different than what we have we the current repubs? The party that lost it's soul and has expanded the size of the government, collected more taxes, driven us deeper into debt, giving amnesty, restricted our freedoms, curtailed the bill of rights, expanded authortarian rule and NOT won the ehh what did you call it; ''the war against Islamofascist terrorists''?

Oh yeah guns.

Your front runners Rudy and Romeny are pro gun! Romney joined the NRA! He must be one of us now! Oh wait he supports the AWB. Never mind. Go sell Crazy somewhere else....

no #$@%!!

MudPuppy
June 14, 2007, 08:19 PM
I may still be a republican, but I don't know many politicians that are.

kbheiner7
June 14, 2007, 08:25 PM
---Vote for the Democrats in '08 and you can count on them raising your taxes, banning your guns, hand you defeat in the war against Islamofascist terrorists and they will give illegal aliens amnesty. Once they realize this it will be a rallying cry for the right and all Americans with a modicum of common sense.---

I am sorry I lost a train of thought here so how is this different than what we have we the current repubs?

It's not a bit different and it's time that old-school republicans start calling these RINOs to repentance. They are a disgrace and not a damn site better than the democrats.

pacodelahoya
June 14, 2007, 08:37 PM
Go sell Crazy somewhere else


Now where have I seen that before??


And I agree with the rest of your post too!


Different sides of the same coin.

Titan6
June 14, 2007, 09:45 PM
I am a die hard JN fan. No one can deliver lines like he can. I even liked him in 'Easy Rider'. But 'As Good As It Gets' was probably his best work.

gopguy
June 15, 2007, 08:11 AM
---Vote for the Democrats in '08 and you can count on them raising your taxes, banning your guns, hand you defeat in the war against Islamofascist terrorists and they will give illegal aliens amnesty. Once they realize this it will be a rallying cry for the right and all Americans with a modicum of common sense.---


Titan 6 said

I am sorry I lost a train of thought here so how is this different than what we have we the current repubs? The party that lost it's soul and has expanded the size of the government, collected more taxes, driven us deeper into debt, giving amnesty, restricted our freedoms, curtailed the bill of rights, expanded authortarian rule and NOT won the ehh what did you call it; ''the war against Islamofascist terrorists''?

Oh yeah guns.

Your front runners Rudy and Romeny are pro gun! Romney joined the NRA! He must be one of us now! Oh wait he supports the AWB. Never mind. Go sell Crazy somewhere else....
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Yeah I admit the RINOs are screwing up my party. A lot of us are trying to get our party back on the right path and drive the RINOs out. Any of you who know my writings and know of my personal confrontation with Betty Montgomery here in Ohio are already aware of the activist I am.

I don't support McCain, Romney or Rudy. I prefer Fred Thompson and hope he gets in soon.

But lets talk about this. The Republicans cut taxes. They did collect more revenue but that is because the tax cuts stimulated economic activity. Supply side economics works every time it is tried, much to the consternation of liberals. Spending was bad under Republicans, the President did not reign it in. His mistake. But as we have just seen with this earmarks battle where dems wanted to vote and pass a bill and then just slip in the earmarks afterwards, well you can imagine the money flying under that plan. It would have happened too if John Boehner had not exposed the Dems plan to the media.

The Dems are already talking about how they can't wait to raise taxs. Hillary is already saying we need to "take things" from some people to give to others and then there was her killing the "on your own society" and creating a society of "shared responsibility". Edwards rails against wealth from his mansions while getting his $400 haircuts. Obama is an empty suit, media sensation.They all want your guns.


We know how she and the other dems in the Presidential line up feel about guns and they bloody well want to lose the war pronto. Harry Reid has already declared it lost while our troops are in the field. They are reckless and will get us killed. We have not had a major terrorist attack in the United States since Sept 11. You have to give Bush some credit for that.

The Republicans for all their faults, let the Clinton Assault Weapons ban die in 2004. That is why you can get high capacity magazines again. If you stop in a gun shop or show you can find semitauto firearms that were banned for a decade. Let us not forget Bush appointee John Bolton singlehanded stopped the UN small arms conference from taking your guns.

You think a President Al Gore or John "Fing" Kerry would have allowed the above.

The Republicans have their faults. I am unhappy about a number of things but the Dems are much, much worse. Sadly some of you have short memories.

You tell me I am selling crazy. You are selling Democrats to us otherwise, as no third party is going anywhere. Giving us Democrat rule in the White House and the Congress is a sure way to kill our freedom and our gun rights. Now that is CRAZY.

You sell Crazy somewhere else pal...cause the route you are heading is like a lemmings off a cliff into the sea.:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:


Yup, I concede I am a terrible proof reader in the morning...but that is all I concede.

Colt
June 15, 2007, 10:16 AM
I only see 2 paths to salvation for the GOP:

1 - The Easy Way
Fred Thompson wins the GOP nomination and the election. Fred becomes a pivot point for the party, turning us back on track. (no amnesty, protect the borders, begin expelling the RINO's from the party)

2 - The Hard Way
Rudy wins the GOP nomination and either he or Hillary win the election. The GOP finally learns that its base will no longer support socially moderate candidates, and returns to its conservative core values. After Hillary/Rudy has attempted/succeeded in banning guns, raising taxes, and furthering their socialist agendas, the GOP thrashes them in 2012 with a thoroughly conservative GOP nominee. The Hard part of this outcome is the damage done between 2009 and 2012.

Your Prognostications May Vary.

sarge83
June 15, 2007, 11:02 AM
GOPGUY,

Unless the conservatives in DC get control and rid the party of the RINO's PDQ, the GOP is going to get a well deserved a$$ whipping in 08. I know GOP members from the 50's who have voted straight tickets who have said if this amnesty bill goes through they are sitting out the 08 election because the pols in DC simple don't listen or care about the average joe anymore.

We have had our patriotism question by the president after working our butts off for him and defending his policies and some very questionable ones at that and yet he gives the surrender monkeys that pass for Democrats in the Congress pass after pass when many are clearly treasonous. Then members of our own party call us bigots because we support the rule of law and not ONE Republican stands up and defends the base when this is done?

The hillary bogey man threat doesn't cut it or phase them anymore because they are not seeing that much difference. Both Bush and the GOP CONGRESS, spent money like crack whores and have been essentially "liberals on the cheap". We took outstanding positions from where we started in 1994 and have pissed them away. Working from within to change the party is quickly becoming a less viable option. Unless things change there is a great chasm about to erupt in the GOP.

Mumwaldee
June 15, 2007, 11:14 AM
Some people have drank too deeply at the well of red kool-aid. Neither party has our interests in mind. It's like arguing about getting eaten by tigers or getting eaten by sharks. Same result.

I think people should support Ron Paul rather than sit out in protest. A non-vote says nothing...maybe you forgot it was election day...maybe you were sick...maybe you were just too lazy to hit the polls. A vote for RP let's the bastages know we're angry about the current state of affairs and we don't accept the dog and pony show the 2 party system has become. It's basically a non-choice...do you want your totalitarianism/socialism injection in your left or right arm?

We should work on getting long sitting politicians, who have lost touch with the people and reality, out of office no matter their party.

It's time to rotate the crops.

Waitone
June 15, 2007, 11:16 AM
I know GOP members from the 50's who have voted straight tickets who have said if this amnesty bill goes through they are sitting out the 08 election because the pols in DC simple don't listen or care about the average joe anymore. There in lies the problem. Congress and that includes so-called republican are trying to shove something down the voter's throat in the face of unprecedented, historic levels of opposition. Imagine what congress will birth us when voters simply sit out the election because they are PO'd over what congress hath wrought.

We are now well past the era when "sitting out" an election is a viable option. Congress has morphed into a dangerous predator content to bust a culture. The outright aggression the senate demonstrates gives me pause forcing me to the conclusion there are forces at work here that are antagonistic to a free society.

Once congress has been deemed dangerous, what next?????

jselvy
June 15, 2007, 11:25 AM
I encourage all Americans to vote no with the weapon of their choice.-quoted from somebody I don't remember

Jefferson

Titan6
June 15, 2007, 12:03 PM
Yeah I admit the RINOs are screwing up my party. A lot of us are trying to get our party back on the right path and drive the RINOs out. Any of you who know my writings and know of my personal confrontation with Betty Montgomery here in Ohio are already aware of the activist I am.

Good the first step to solving a problem is admiting that you have one.

I don't support McCain, Romney or Rudy. I prefer Fred Thompson and hope he gets in soon.

Well guess what? Most of your party does prefer the others. Fred is running a distant third or fourth and last night I saw him say he did not want to be president felt that the role was being pushed on him. Makes me wonder about his resolve. And he is still anti-freedom - big government anyway so how is this that much better?

But lets talk about this. The Republicans cut taxes. They did collect more revenue but that is because the tax cuts stimulated economic activity.

I understand that you probably don't have a great understanding of economics but I do. What do you think is financing the economic stimulus? The huge amounts of debt. Why is the dollar crashing? Because the whole world is tired of buying our lunch and is getting rid of dollars. What is the repub plan for this? Borrow more money. This is not supply side economics. There is no supply, only debt. I call this robbing from Peter to pay Paul, a shell game, you can call it whatever you want. It matters not.

Spending was bad under Republicans, the President did not reign it in. His mistake.

???? Blaming the president for every bad thing that ever happened sounds good now but guess what? He isn't running. He didn't vote in congress either. Good luck with that plan....

But as we have just seen with this earmarks battle where dems wanted to vote and pass a bill and then just slip in the earmarks afterwards, well you can imagine the money flying under that plan. It would have happened too if John Boehner had not exposed the Dems plan to the media.

That was the first good thing I have seen them do in a long time. I really liked that dude from SC calling the speaker to task for being a hypocrite. Does not change the years of earmarks when they ran the congress though. I am sure it will be right back to pork barrel as usual if they get back in charge. Just different pork to different places.

The Dems are already talking about how they can't wait to raise taxs. Hillary is already saying we need to "take things" from some people to give to others and then there was her killing the "on your own society" and creating a society of "shared responsibility". Edwards rails against wealth from his mansions while getting his $400 haircuts. Obama is an empty suit, media sensation.They all want your guns.

Yep. They pretty much all would probably not be what I would call not the best for the country. Richardson is okay but the rest of them would certainly not call for a return to freedoms.

We know how she and the other dems in the Presidential line up feel about guns

Read your list of top three again.

and they bloody well want to lose the war pronto. Harry Reid has already declared it lost while our troops are in the field.

Well guess what? That is how the majority of Americans feel about it as well.

They are wreckless and will get us killed.

Ted Kennedy got in wreck so I guess you mean reckless. Some people might consider going to war without a post war plan on faulty intelligence is reckless. I guess the people will decide. I wonder what they will deicide?

We have not had a major terrorist attack in the United States since Sept 11. You have to give Bush some credit for that.

I do. Unfortunately the president is not elected to "just" fight terrorists despite what the 2004 GOP election agenda was.

The Republicans for all their faults, let the Clinton Assault Weapons ban die in 2004. That is why you can get high capacity magazines again. If you stop in a gun shop or show you can find semitauto firearms that were banned for a decade. Let us not forget Bush appointee John Bolton singlehanded stopped the UN small arms conference from taking your guns.

Honestly I don't see much difference in the shops and shows before and after the ban and I live in Texas. It is easier and cheaper to buy magazines and certain guns but the ban was pretty ineffectual even if it was stupid and illegal. I would really like to see the UN try to come and take our guns. If they left New York today I don't think they would make it all the way to Texas but if they did we would be sitting there waiting for them.

You think a President Al Gore or John "Fing" Kerry would have allowed the above.

Since neither one would not have had a vote in the congress I am not sure what they could have done to stop it.

The Republicans have their faults. I am unhappy about a number of things but the Dems are much, much worse. Sadly some of you have short memories.

I am getting older but there is nothing wrong with my memory. I can see what is happening to our country today and who is taking credit for it.

You tell me I am selling crazy. You are selling Democrats to us otherwise, as no third party is going anywhere. Giving us Democrat rule in the White House and the Congress is a sure way to kill our freedom and our gun rights. Now that is CRAZY.

You sell Crazy somewhere else pal...cause the route you are heading is like a lemming off a cliff into the sea.

It is lemmings either way. Just pick an ocean. Here let us try something productive: :banghead:

I guess we will see.

gopguy
June 15, 2007, 03:46 PM
Titan 6 saidWell guess what? Most of your party does prefer the others. Fred is running a distant third or fourth and last night I saw him say he did not want to be president felt that the role was being pushed on him. Makes me wonder about his resolve. And he is still anti-freedom - big government anyway so how is this that much better?


Look again .There is a poll out that shows Thompson jumps to second place if he announces. You have to remember many pollsters are only asking about those three. The lib media and the pollster seem to be thrusting thse guys on us...We are a good distance from the primaries we will see what happens then.

You want to lecture me on Romney, McCain and Rudy.(who I again say I do not support) In the mean time all of them have to at least pretend they are pro gun. The alternative is the Dems. Hilldebeast, Edwards and Obama. All bad news for gun owners and they make no secret that they are anti gun . Richardson is a unknown to most Americans and has as much chance as a snow ball in hades.

I discount third parties. They don't have a chance as SADLY most American's do not pay enough attention to politics to get a third party off the ground to victory.

I understand that you probably don't have a great understanding of economics but I do. What do you think is financing the economic stimulus? The huge amounts of debt. Why is the dollar crashing? Because the whole world is tired of buying our lunch and is getting rid of dollars. What is the repub plan for this? Borrow more money. This is not supply side economics. There is no supply, only debt. I call this robbing from Peter to pay Paul, a shell game, you can call it whatever you want. It matters not.


Thank you for demonstrating that you don't.:rolleyes: But lets get back to guns since that is the focus of this website.

I said "The Republicans for all their faults, let the Clinton Assault Weapons ban die in 2004. That is why you can get high capacity magazines again. If you stop in a gun shop or show you can find semitauto firearms that were banned for a decade. Let us not forget Bush appointee John Bolton singlehanded stopped the UN small arms conference from taking your guns."

Titan 6 Honestly I don't see much difference in the shops and shows before and after the ban and I live in Texas. It is easier and cheaper to buy magazines and certain guns but the ban was pretty ineffectual even if it was stupid and illegal. I would really like to see the UN try to come and take our guns. If they left New York today I don't think they would make it all the way to Texas but if they did we would be sitting there waiting for them.


We agree the ban was stupid. However in Ohio where I live I again see the banned guns at reasonable again, who wants to pay $1700 for a preban configuration Bushmaster XM 15 again? I don't. I did see them go for that right after Clinton's stupid ban took effect. Right now I see them at the shows for about $800. I also don't want to see folks paying $80 for Glock magazines. That is what the Dems gave us, and would again.

Quote: Gopguy said
"You think a President Al Gore or John "Fing" Kerry would have allowed the above."

Titan6 said "Since neither one would not have had a vote in the congress I am not sure what they could have done to stop it."

Quote:

You missed the point, they don't have to be in Congress. The President has the bully pulpit and if you will recall Clinton and Lord Benson, of your state, banned a bunch of shotguns as destructive devices without the help of Congress.
The UN, Bolton was appointed by Bush and followed his directive to block the UN and their idiotic small arms conference. Whoever the Gore or Kerry would have had as their UN rep would have spearheaded helping them ban our guns, and then said for the world's sake we need to give up our rights and join the World consensus to ban private small arm ownership. That is the point.

I agree the Republican party is plagued with RINOs. I am doing my best as a Republican to fight that element of my party. Many of us are very mad at the President over the Amnesty bill. Nevertheless the Republicans are the best hope for preserving our rights. They need reform, and we need to remove the RINOs in primaries. However the RINOs are not the majority in my party. The flaming left anti gunners are the majority in the Democrat party. To fix the Democrats you have to kick just about all of them out and start over again.

So you can work to fix the problems with the Republicans. Vote for a third party like the Libertarians, whom I have many sympathies with. But is not about to win anything big. Or you can vote for big governmet anti gun Democrats who are going to ban your guns.

We have heard you complain Titan 6. Curious to see where you suggest we go as a solution. Give us something positive and not just Republican bashing. We've been there and done that.

D.S. Ambrose
June 15, 2007, 03:49 PM
Look again .There is a poll out that shows Thompson jumps to second place if he announces. You have to remember many pollsters are only asking about those three. The lib media and the pollster seem to be thrusting thse guys on us...We are a good distance from the primaries we will see what happens then.


Thank you for making this point, because it works more than one way...it's precisely why Ron Paul, along with the others that aren't "media darlings" aren't making much of a show in so-called scientific polls.

gopguy
June 15, 2007, 03:56 PM
Sarge 83 saidGOPGUY,

Unless the conservatives in DC get control and rid the party of the RINO's PDQ, the GOP is going to get a well deserved a$$ whipping in 08. I know GOP members from the 50's who have voted straight tickets who have said if this amnesty bill goes through they are sitting out the 08 election because the pols in DC simple don't listen or care about the average joe anymore.

We have had our patriotism question by the president after working our butts off for him and defending his policies and some very questionable ones at that and yet he gives the surrender monkeys that pass for Democrats in the Congress pass after pass when many are clearly treasonous. Then members of our own party call us bigots because we support the rule of law and not ONE Republican stands up and defends the base when this is done?


Sarge, as I have said, I agree. The RINOs are destroying our party. As Reagan took the party from the Rockerfeller blue blood moderates, we have to retake our party. I am also angry about the Amnesty bill. I am very annoyed with the President over it and the threat it poses to our country. However we must join together to fix it, not abandon it.

I think people should support Ron Paul rather than sit out in protest. A non-vote says nothing...maybe you forgot it was election day...maybe you were sick...maybe you were just too lazy to hit the polls. A vote for RP let's the bastages know we're angry about the current state of affairs and we don't accept the dog and pony show the 2 party system has become. It's basically a non-choice...do you want your totalitarianism/socialism injection in your left or right arm?

Mumwaldee, I can tell you I know a lot of Republicans who sat out last fall. Dems like to say they won because of the war. I disagree. I think they won because Republicans were mad at the Congress and President for not adhering to the conservative principles that won them the Congress after 40 years in the wilderness. Sitting it out is why we now have to endure listening to those babbling idiots "Non Stop Nancy" and Harry "Have I got a land deal for you" Reid. Sadly Ron Paul hung himself with his comments on Iraq...I think that Dark Horse is done.

Fix the party. Get involved with it. That is how you change things.

Titan6
June 15, 2007, 04:44 PM
What I find most amusing about all of this is that I am not even mad anymore. ''You will know them by their deeds''; and how!

You want something positive? Go to every single person who has fought against all of the craziness in the Senate, House and state houses throughout the country admit that the party leadership was misguided and wrong and ask for their help in fixing it. There are only a handful of them so it shouldn't take long.

I think ArmedBear had a good picture illustrating what would have to happen first before the mods took it down.

BTW I have a minor in economics so maybe I know a little bit about what I am talking about. But go ahead and dismiss me just like your party dismisses everyone who tells them they are wrong. Good luck - You are going to need it... and boy do I ever.....

gopguy
June 16, 2007, 12:54 AM
Titan 6 said BTW I have a minor in economics so maybe I know a little bit about what I am talking about. But go ahead and dismiss me just like your party dismisses everyone who tells them they are wrong. Good luck - You are going to need it... and boy do I ever.....

Wow I took economics in college too...:rolleyes: There are numerous economic theories and some are diametrically opposed to one another. Many economists disagree with one another. So why you think you have the key to economic nirvanna is beyond me. Some how I suspect you embrace Keynes...Hopefully not Marx. Anyway if you embrace Keynes, and I suspect you do read up on Milt Friedman and Robert Lucas comments on him... Enough of that...

But as I said earlier that is way off the topic of guns.

I agree my party needs work, and I am at it. However other than the Libertarians, who are supposedly pure on the Second Amendment. The Republicans have a much better track record on defending the Second Amendment than Democrats...hands down. "You will know them by their deeds"in deed. The 1934 National Firearms act, the Gun Control Act of 1968, 1993 Brady Act , 1994 Semi auto ban, were all brought to us by the Democrats. Granted the President's Daddy gave us a import ban on semiautos to study the situation after Patrick Purdy shot up a school yard. But it was a Democrat dominated congress that made the import ban permanent.

I was a minor in History. ;)

Lone_Gunman
June 16, 2007, 10:43 AM
Those who think Fred Thompson is the man who will save conservatism in the Republican party are wrong. He might win the nomination, and become president, but if he does he will mainly just continue Bush policies that people already dislike.

Fred Thompson voted for Campaign Finance Reform, Medicare Reform (the free drug welfare program), and the Patriot Act. He supports our never-ending War on Terror and the Iraq War. He is clearly a neo-conservative, and not a traditional conservative. Yet somehow, conservatives in the party are steal hoping he will be their conservative saviour, just like they thought Bush would be in 2000.

A vote for Thompson is a vote for 4 more years of Bush.

xd9fan
June 16, 2007, 12:08 PM
the truth is painful. Ron Paul has the truth. For some its just too much pain.

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