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powerstrk
June 24, 2003, 04:01 PM
I finally recieved my MN permit today:D Between MN and FLA, it covers all the states I wish to visit:D

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mpthole
June 24, 2003, 05:41 PM
Cool! I'm taking my class this Saturday. Did you have to wait a full 30-days for it to arrive in your mailbox?

Edward429451
June 24, 2003, 05:53 PM
One question. Now that you have your permit, do you think accepting it has interfered with or reclassified your 2nd am right into a priviledge?

There's a 2nd am theory going around that accepting a 'state' granted priviledge (CCW permit), would/could nullify any claim you might have to a 2nd am 'right'. Have you thought about this? What is your position?

IAJack
June 24, 2003, 06:46 PM
How much did it cost and from what sheriff?

The info I found about an out of state permit says to apply to any sheriff and cost is not to exceed 100 dollars? Kinda a big open gap?

Double Maduro
June 24, 2003, 06:49 PM
Edward429451,

I have an Oregon CHL and didn't give up any second ammendmant rights to get it. Oregon is a shall issue state and the CHL merely means you have not been disqualified.

Edward429451
June 24, 2003, 07:07 PM
I have an Oregon CHL and didn't give up any second ammendmant rights to get it. Oregon is a shall issue state and the CHL merely means you have not been disqualified

Really. Hmmm. Colorado just passed some new CCW thing recently to be easier to get one but I haven't read the new stuff. I got the application packet before but never turned it in cause I thought it was a little to intrusive. Perhaps I should read the new stuff.

I'm just sayin you (I) got to be careful about what you sign because the premise is that ignorance of the law is no excuse. They will go by the letter of the law book (sic) and nail you on anything they can if they want you.

I have been disarmed by cops quite a few times in my locale. I have no CCW so have to carry openly (which really means when a cop's present, cause you cant scare the old ladies either!), and so far I've been able to decare my weapon tactfully enough that they give it back. I cant help but wonder but if I hand it to em one day, they're going to keep it. They write the law like the tax code, so its hard for the average man to understand and easy to blunder so they can rob us. I know I know, its not the cops they dont write the law, its the administration. But they enforce the law of the day good cop or not. The law should be easy to follow, not a complicated clusterfudge of legealese and hoops that they resereve the right to jerk out from under you if they want to.

Getting a permit from them is a contract. Oh but you didn't dot your I or cross your T, sorry sir, the law has changed., whatever. Even if they're being nice to you CCW holders now, in the future all thats gotta happen is the new law took effect today boys, bring in the guns. Then you get pulled over for not using your turn signal and your gun is gone. They'll continue by the letter of the law just as they do now. They have no choice or will be out of a job. They got mouths to feed too.

So you got your CCW permit and your packin your gun. You show him your permit and he asks to see your gun. Do you hand it over? Of course. Who wants to die? You cant outrun a motorola.

They probably have it linked to the DMV already. They can probably run your plate and pull you over with full prior knowledge that you're a CCW. Too much intrusion and potential for abuse. I'm very leery of any gun laws.

Hmm, rant off. :D

powerstrk
June 24, 2003, 07:32 PM
mpthole-I had to wait 24 days for it to arrive.

IAJack-The permit cost was $100-I applied to Carver County-You have to apply in the county you live in-Only non-res can apply to any sheriff in the state.

Edward429451-Don't believe I gave up anything in regards to 2A, granted they are allowing me to carry, but I look at the alternative of carrying with no permit and get picked up,then the fun begins. What would your choice be?:D

Edward429451
June 24, 2003, 08:12 PM
What would your choice be

There aren't many choices. Walk the straight & narrow as I have been, declare my weapon promptly & politely, and hope for the best. They sure make it hard to not break any laws with all their technicalities and legalese though.

The suspicious thing about these laws is that we have to sign a contract with them. Us, the law abiding. If we're law abiding enough to get the permit, then we shouldn't need a permit. I have no record. I know they'd give me one and thats why I dont want to get it. Then I'd be under contract to them. It would give them more ammo to use against me, b/c anything you sign can and will be used against you if they so desire.

I read somewhere that if it was really a law then they wouldn't require your signature.

powerstrk
June 24, 2003, 08:52 PM
There aren't many choices. Walk the straight & narrow as I have been, declare my weapon promptly & politely, and hope for the best. They sure make it hard to not break any laws with all their technicalities and legalese though.

Edward- I, like you, do walk the straight and narrow, I do not find it difficult to live within the law. Unlike you I do not have to declare my gun to law enforcement.

The suspicious thing about these laws is that we have to sign a contract with them. Us, the law abiding. If we're law abiding enough to get the permit, then we shouldn't need a permit. I have no record. I know they'd give me one and thats why I dont want to get it. Then I'd be under contract to them. It would give them more ammo to use against me, b/c anything you sign can and will be used against you if they so desire.

My guess would be that you are under a implied contract when you carry openly, bound by the same rules I would be bound to. I just face less hassle than you do. I am not sure how things are handled in court with a permit vs no permit in a SD issue:) Anyone know?

Edward429451
June 24, 2003, 08:58 PM
[QUOTE]As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there is a twilight. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness
. ~~ Justice William O. Douglas, US Supreme Court (1939-75)

Now Thats what I'm talkin about.:D :cool:

Standing Wolf
June 24, 2003, 09:02 PM
Hello, Edward429451!

Obviously, what's needed are Vermont- and Alaska-style laws—and I predict more states will take this approach in the years to come.

I didn't like having to apply for my Colorado permit to carry concealed hand guns, but saw it as the lesser of two evils. The de facto no issue policy in the People's Republic of California was far worse.

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