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Nomad101bc
June 15, 2007, 07:08 PM
Here is a fun poll to decide which state has the worst firearm laws. Sorry i forgot to include Mass. but I can assure you NY gun laws are alot worse especailly with Bloomberg.

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das028
June 15, 2007, 07:19 PM
Well since I live in MD, I'm going with that. BTW, I'm surprised MD isnt on your list. The laws are pretty bad here.

Turkey Creek
June 15, 2007, 07:20 PM
I'm guessing the choices are between **********, The Peoples Republic- Messachusets- The not so Garden State- The Rotten Apple- and Marrygoround Land- Have I missed any more of the obvious?

My vote goes to The People's Republic if for no other reason than I have to traverse it to get to Kentucky from the free state of Missouri

damien
June 15, 2007, 07:21 PM
Hawaii should be on the list also, space permitting.

I know Illinois sucks from experience. But at least our travel laws aren't obscene like NJ, semi-autos aren't banned like MD, .50 cals aren't banned like CA, multiple purchases aren't banned like VA, there are no magazine capacity limits like MA, and you don't need to have an interview with the police like HI. So I count our blessings, to a small extent.

scubie02
June 15, 2007, 07:23 PM
i don't think ny is the worst (at least upstate, NYC might have a case). Probably DC or MA, but Jersey and MD are up there too.

Ohio Rifleman
June 15, 2007, 07:25 PM
Why's Ohio on your list? Ohio's on of the freest states in the union. Especially ever since we passed preemption of the stupid local anti-gun laws.

Nomad101bc
June 15, 2007, 07:28 PM
I chose California becuase unlike any of the minor nuisance laws they actaully name specific weapons you cant own. In california you cannot own any weapons of the AK genre, you cannot own any weapons of the AR genre, and you may not own any "sniper rifles with .50 caliber rounds"

LawBot5000
June 15, 2007, 07:31 PM
That's not true actually. The "genre of weapon ban" was deemed violative of due process. They now have to name each weapon that they specifically hold to be an AR-15 or Ak47 clone.

CA is pretty consistently antigun. However, due to state preemption it is far better than it would be if the cities could have their own way. Chicago is a great example of this.

NY state is pretty tolerable in comparison (basically just the easily avoidable 94 federal rules repeated on the state level) though lack of preemption gives them NYC, which is easily one of the worst places in the country.

If you're only going to count the entire state, I'd have to say CA. All the worse places are cities in non-preemptive states.

Marshall
June 15, 2007, 07:31 PM
Can't believe MA isn't on there but OH is?

Nomad101bc
June 15, 2007, 07:31 PM
Sorry for not listing certain states but I did not want to have 16 different answers just because people feel slightly inconvienanced based on where they live. With only 8 chioces the data stays more concentrated.

ArmedBear
June 15, 2007, 07:35 PM
In california you cannot own any weapons of the AK genre, you cannot own any weapons of the AR genre

This is actually not true, though that was the intent of the law.

Here's a California store: http://metroshotfirearms.com/shop.html

However, it's not simple, it's not cheap, and there are still feature combinations that are illegal.

Anyway, California allows open carry outside town; there's no problem with using HP ammo for home defense. All non-cartridge firearms are mail-order legal or cash-and-carry. I had to pick New Jersey as being even worse.

Nomad101bc
June 15, 2007, 07:44 PM
Are you aware of the legislation they are trying to pass that would require you to present id anytime you buy ammo and fill out a crap load of forms?

hexidismal
June 15, 2007, 07:45 PM
Well, I don't know exactly. I can't say I know all the laws in all the states enough to make that determination. Even if someone did know ALL the laws, it would still be a hard call. All the bad states have some pluses and minuses. So.. instead .. I'll just put New York .. becasue thats the state with bad gun laws that affect ME. It may not be the worst, but its fairly horrible, and the worst for ME.

ArmedBear
June 15, 2007, 07:53 PM
Are you aware of the legislation they are trying to pass that would require you to present id anytime you buy ammo and fill out a crap load of forms?

Of course I am.

And are you aware that some other states already have this, or don't allow mail-order, etc.?

That doesn't mean I like it; this was a comparison.

Nomad101bc
June 15, 2007, 07:57 PM
It still certainly makes California one of the more hostile states towards the second amendment.

GlenJ
June 15, 2007, 08:01 PM
I had a toss up between CA and NY. When my brother applied for a CCW in NY had to actually get references.

never_retreat
June 15, 2007, 08:11 PM
NJ I live here I know.
94 ban still exists, no mags over 15 rounds, no ccw, have to get permits for each pistol, I shure there is more.

Nomad101bc
June 15, 2007, 08:16 PM
Wow you must pay a fortune in taxes with all that inefficency and red tape around gun ownership.

CountGlockula
June 15, 2007, 08:29 PM
Yay!!! CA wins...wait a minute.

HUMONGO
June 15, 2007, 08:33 PM
Ditto on Maryland

Zundfolge
June 15, 2007, 08:36 PM
Both your polls are screwy.

You put Colorado on the list of "bad" states and not on the list of "good" states.

Colorado is a better state for gun owners than Texas, Kansas, Missouri, Virginia or Pennsylvania if by "good" you mean lax gun laws and easy to get CCW without a bunch of stupid restrictions.

glockman19
June 15, 2007, 08:37 PM
CA hands down some of the most backward laws around. :o It's a Felony to carry a concealed knife and a misdemenor to carry a loaded gun. :confused: go figure. :what: I can't buy a Colt, Bushmaster Armalite AR but can get as many Stags and Off list lowers & uppers as I can afford. :D I can't buy NEW 20 & 30 round mags but those I posess prior to 1994 I can have, use and repair. :evil: Ben Aflac & Sylvester Stalone can get a CCW and I can't :banghead:eventhough I can carry legally in 2/3 of the country with my UT & FL permits.:cuss:

Go figure :rolleyes:

Wheeler44
June 15, 2007, 08:51 PM
Sorry for not listing certain states but I did not want to have 16 different answers just because people feel slightly inconvienanced based on where they live. With only 8 chioces the data stays more concentrated.

Since when do internet opinions equal data?

alucard0822
June 15, 2007, 09:02 PM
its hard to belive no one has mentioned D.C. yet. Basically if a handgun works, then it's illegal, no ammo, no pepper spray, no edged "weapons" over 4", but somehow:rolleyes: they consistently hold the title for murder capitol of the US. On top of that, D.C. is the only place where an infringement (I no longer refer to them as laws) can be passed that affects us all.

I have some data that help some make informed comparisons http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/

Autolycus
June 15, 2007, 09:03 PM
As an Illinois resident I would still say California is worse than us. The FOID sucks along with no carry but at least there are no banned guns and no banned lists.

Dorryn
June 15, 2007, 09:05 PM
Illinois is still significantly worse than NY. So is Massachussetts. Upstate NY is reasonably free, but we get a bad rap because of NYC.

Anyone who thinks NY is the worst hasnt traveled much.

PracticeFreedom
June 15, 2007, 09:08 PM
DC by far. Noone has more Draconian laws. Worse than NYC and Cook County combined. It's only legal to have certain guns in your home, disassembled!, among many other restrictions.

evilelvis
June 15, 2007, 09:11 PM
Since I live in MD and MD gun laws sucks, I vote for that

Autolycus
June 15, 2007, 09:25 PM
It really depends on the criteria. Sad to say that if CCW is a priority or a high cap gun, or whatever it will vary by state.

SomeKid
June 15, 2007, 09:27 PM
DC is not a state. It should not be in the poll.

Ratzinger_p38
June 15, 2007, 09:59 PM
Why is CA winning? At least there is no FOID..I was able to get most of the guns that interested me no problem....and my ex-gf got a CCW in El Dorado county...cant get those in IL.

The FOID sucks along with no carry but at least there are no banned guns and no banned lists.

Not yet.

CTPistol
June 15, 2007, 10:06 PM
Why CT?

Yes you need a permit to buy a handgun, but once you have it you can buy as many as you want, no wait...your permit is also your CCW.

We can also buy ARs, AK's, even full auto.

We might be sandwiched in between the three dumbest, most pathetic domiciles in the land (NY NJ MASS) but we still have rights here!

:cuss:

what about MD? ILL?

lame poll.

Norton
June 15, 2007, 11:06 PM
Guys, MD is definitely not gun friendly, but to put it in the same class as NJ and IL is completely wrong.

Yes, MD has the assault pistol ban and the handgun roster, but it is still class III friendly and their is NO semi-auto ban as a previous poster mentioned.

There's no FOIC like Illinois and the assault weapons laws in NJ and CA are profoundly more restrictive than here.

If you don't like the laws here, do something about it.;)

cbsbyte
June 15, 2007, 11:19 PM
Massachusetts is the second worst state to live in beside California. We have mandatory licensing for all firearms, and even mace. All licenses are at the discretion of the issuing LEO. We in Mass can CCW but licensing is very restrictive. Restricted handgun ownership. Many people are denied a firearm license because of minor run ins with the police when very young. Mass is really in the top four worst states for firearm ownership. It should be on the list. And what is up with Colorado and Ohio on the list This poll seems to be written by someone that does not know gun laws in the state he posted.

Nomad101bc
June 16, 2007, 01:01 AM
Colorado is up there because theres alot of legislation on the table that will change alot of things. Colorado is slowly getting more and more liberal as all the CA trust fund babies come to live there thats why FYI. CT is up there because we have to wait 4 weeks for a background check after passing a mandatory pistol course which in total cost 200$. Additionaly in CT we must report a stolen gun within 72 hours even if we might not notice our hand gun was missing given there are collectors. If we fail to tell police we are convicted of a felon further even reporting a stolen or misplaced firearm within that time period forces you to be under investigation as a gun mule.

Colorado Fatboy
June 16, 2007, 02:05 AM
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Colorado Fatboy
June 16, 2007, 02:06 AM
Colorado is up there because theres alot of legislation on the table that will change alot of things.

Please back this statement up! I want links to this so called "legislation on the table that will change alot of things." *** are you talking about?! Just because the idiots elected a liberal POS governer doesn't mean CO is becoming CA. Comparing CO to CA and the other ANTI (AWB and no concealed carry) states you have listed is comparing apples to oranges. Co has no "AWB" and is a "shall issue state" I can buy any gun I want and can carry almost anywhere in the state.

Put the crack pipe down! You have no clue what you are talking about :neener:

Nomad101bc
June 16, 2007, 02:18 AM
Just listen to the NRA's radio station they were talkin about several items of legislation they wanted to pass. What was once considered the western frontier they remarked seems to slowly be turning into CA.

Given denvers high rate of pot use which i can back by the fact you legalized it in small amounts id suggest it is you who needs to lay off any sort of inhalants.

nwilliams
June 16, 2007, 02:22 AM
When did D.C become a state:neener:

Nonetheless it gets my vote:barf:

SAG0282
June 16, 2007, 05:01 AM
I picked IL. CA at least has over 40K CCW permits...IL has zero (I don't count aldermen and political favors as a CCW permit).

Quiet
June 16, 2007, 01:29 PM
Why isn't Hawaii on the list?

JLelli
June 16, 2007, 01:55 PM
Illinois is still significantly worse than NY. So is Massachussetts. Upstate NY is reasonably free, but we get a bad rap because of NYC.

Anyone who thinks NY is the worst hasnt traveled much.

Doesn't the Sullivan Act apply to the entire state? I can't think of a more restrictive statewide handgun law.

Deanimator
June 16, 2007, 03:20 PM
As an Illinois resident I would still say California is worse than us. The FOID sucks along with no carry but at least there are no banned guns and no banned lists.
...yet.

Zundfolge
June 16, 2007, 03:34 PM
Colorado is up there because theres alot of legislation on the table that will change alot of things.
Even if all of the current anti-gun bills were to pass, Colorado would STILL be a better state for gun rights than Texas, Kansas, Missouri, Virginia or Pennsylvania.

We have un fettered NFA ownership, CCW with very little restrictions (no-guns signs carry no legal weight, you can carry into banks, churches, bars ...you can drink and carry, you can CCW in your car Vermont/Alaska style, no registration, no waiting periods)

Only downsides in Colorado are an AWB within the Denver city limits, no carry on permits issued from a state other than the one you live in (which isn't legal in most CCW states) and now your CCW status will show up when the po-po run your DL (of course we still are under no legal obligation to tell the cops we're carrying).

Neo-Luddite
June 16, 2007, 03:56 PM
But at least in Cali you can sit and 'puff the magic dragon' until your brains are swiss cheese. Now THAT IS FREEDOM!

Here in Illinois it's more like Nazi Germany--All things are prohibited unless they are expressly permited (and permits are NOT being issued).


And the 'lawmakers' feel the need to CONSTANTLY MAKE NEW LAWS that will never be enforced but that a law abiding citizen must be abreast of. Bizarre 'feel good' laws no one really ever thought through from an 'end user' perspective. Honestly, have any arrests been made for the new AWB in Cook County? Did anyone notice? You'd think that a thoughtful fascist state would at least SEND A NOTICE OUT when it changed the rules--but it doesn't even do THAT.

PressCheck
June 16, 2007, 04:51 PM
Hawaii, but it's not in the poll.

Luku
June 16, 2007, 06:07 PM
Comparing the laws here is my opinion:
Washington DC is the worst on the list.
As far as states go, Illinois is the worst.

jselvy
June 16, 2007, 06:48 PM
I voted for California, but even I gotta admit that there is something wrong with Illinois.

Jefferson

geekWithA.45
June 16, 2007, 08:13 PM
DC (and NYC/CHI) is the no brainer, it really shouldn't even be on the list, IMO, because it's so blatantly over the top bad, and yet limited in scope.

Ohio & Colorado aren't the most friendly states, but they don't deserve to be on the hostile list, especially given Ohio's recent rounds of reforms.

Objectively, it's a close tie between NJ & IL for most gun hostile, with NYstate having honorable mention due to their handgun hostility.

The things that separates NJ & IL from all the other gun hostile states is the practical impossibility of obtaining a carry permit, and the necessity of obtaining a FID/FOID for any sort of gun at all. In all the other states except MD, there's a 50/50 chance of getting a permit depending on where you live, and CT has been de-facto shall issue since the early 70's, predating Florida's reforms.


At the end of the day though, it's IL as the all time grandaddy gun hostile state. The two things worse than NJ is that the FOID expires, whereas the FID is good for life, which potentially exposes gun owners to risk of arrest & etc if they stop renewing their paperwork. The other thing is the lack of state pre-emption, which means that any coffee klatch of noisesome old biddies can get together and ram something through town hall to deprive you of your civil and human rights.

Dorryn
June 16, 2007, 08:31 PM
Just go to the Brady Campaign website and check the "grades" they give to your state. If you got an A, congrats, youre the worst state. Worst gun states are, as others have stated, California, Illinois, Massachussetts.

Regarding NY:
Doesn't the Sullivan Act apply to the entire state?

Yes, but NY permits are also CHL permits with no separate application neccessary. No class is required to get a permit. And many counties in upstate NY are, for all intents and purposes, shall-issue regions. NY got a B from the Bradys... so we're bad, but a lot more pro-gun than the above-mentioned travesties.

coyote_jr
June 16, 2007, 08:33 PM
No Rhode Island?

Aaryq
June 16, 2007, 08:35 PM
KOMMIEFORNIA!!! Sorry for the caps. I've only lived in ND and CA (I did spend a few months in VA) so I can't speak for the rest fo the states. I live in CA now and it...it...:cuss::cuss::cuss: frustrates me.

vito
June 16, 2007, 09:30 PM
I don't know if IL belongs in second place on this list. We don't have concealed carry, we have to have a FOID card, but at least we do not have to have a permit or to register each weapon, and we have no banned weapons list. Of course, if you live in Chicago, which includes over half of the people in the state, you are not allowed to even own a handgun.

romma
June 16, 2007, 11:00 PM
I know CT is screwy in some ways, but no where near as screwy as some of the states out there... My carry piece goes almost anywhere with me...

mike101
June 17, 2007, 10:16 AM
I thought NJ was a shoe-in for this one. You need a permit for a BB gun here. Posession of a slingshot is a felony, and it doesn't even have to have one of those evil wrist-braces. No pepper spray, etc. Then, there is my personal favorite, the Smart-Gun Law. When the first smart gun becomes available to the public, all other types of handgun will be illegal for sale in the Land of Lautenbourg. There is also a proposed ban on .60 caliber muzzle loading muskets. This will prevent Muslim terrorists, posing as Revolutionary War re-enactors, from shooting down planes at Newark International.

Ironic though it may be, the ONLY type of weapon that is legal to carry in NJ, is a gun. You just can't get a permit to do so, unless you're a friend of our non-seatbelt wearing governor.

zoom6zoom
June 17, 2007, 01:39 PM
Even if all of the current anti-gun bills were to pass, Colorado would STILL be a better state for gun rights than Texas, Kansas, Missouri, Virginia or Pennsylvania.

We have un fettered NFA ownership, CCW with very little restrictions (no-guns signs carry no legal weight, you can carry into banks, churches, bars ...you can drink and carry, you can CCW in your car Vermont/Alaska style, no registration, no waiting periods)

Most of the above does apply to Virginia. We're working on the bar thing. We have a very agressive citizens rights organization (VCDL). We can open carry without a permit. Where we've got Colorado beat is that we were able to get state pre-emption enacted so no localities can pass bans - no "Denver only" kind of crap.

I thought NJ was a shoe-in for this one. You need a permit for a BB gun here. Posession of a slingshot is a felony, and it doesn't even have to have one of those evil wrist-braces.

So if you've got a stick and a rubber band, they can get you on "constructive intent"?

mike101
June 17, 2007, 04:12 PM
"So if you've got a stick and a rubber band, they can get you on "constructive intent"?"

Probably not. But, if your kid finds a "Y" shaped stick, and an old bicycle inner tube, and connects the two, he's a felon. I kid you not.

Cannonball888
June 17, 2007, 05:46 PM
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mp510
June 18, 2007, 12:35 AM
DC (not really a state, and if we are including all US Territory- most of the US Territories have sucky gunlaws)
Hawai'i
NY
MASS
CA
CT

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