[PawDaddy]

I would like to find out more about these two pistols. They seem to be similar in size and both look like they would handle well.

If I buy one of these pistols, it would be used for concealed carry. Which would you use for this purpose and why?

[SouthpawShootr]

I think I'd have to say Steyr for both concealed carry and rangework.

The CZ100 has alot going for it, but the trigger is absolutely horrid. Accuracy, after you've mastered the trigger, is very good. Reliability is 100%. The problem is, I doubt you would get any joy from shooting it. Therefore you'd be much less apt to practice.

The Steyr M-series guns, are fun to shoot. They're accurate and very reliable (at least mine is). There is some question as to whether this design is entirely safe. This was the topic of extended debates both on www.thefiringline.com and here. Sight aquistion is very quick, so make sure you get one with the original factory trapezoid sights.

Holsters are a problem. Blade-tech makes a very nice Kydex (I have one of these) for the Steyr. There is very little else to choose from. :cuss: Almost nobody makes one for the CZ100, although I did manage to get High Noon to make one.

There is some heresay on www.czforum.com that production of the CZ100 has been halted. Supposedly, the source was czusa.

I don't know much about Steyr, but they have problems as well. Most worrisome is lack of warranty support in the US. They evidently have a new importer for handguns and this group appears to be keeping a low profile (bad move).

Which of these do I carry? Neither. I carry a Glock 19 (or 23 depending upon my mood).

[New_comer]

I know nothing about the Steyr. :(

If it had been the CZ110, I'd take it. Otherwise, I'd stick with the more prevalent brands like HK, Walther, Glock.

The CZ100's trigger is HORRIBLE!! :barf:

Try the more traditional 75/85 series instead... ;)

[Beav]

Another HighRoader had Steyr warranty work done at:

Diamond Trail Shooter's Supply
606 South Front Street
Montezuma, IA 50171
(641) 623-3098 telephone
(641)623-5672 fax
mshearn@netins.net

I haven't had warranty work done but I have ordered parts from Diamond Trail Shooter's Supply. I have also ordered parts from O'Dell Engineering (Canada).

Philip C. O'Dell, P.Eng.
President
O'Dell Engineering Ltd.
Tel.: 1 519 740 8620
Fax: 1 519 740 9483
Email: phil@odel.on.ca



Now if the CZ100's trigger is as bad as everyone says I would definitely go with the Steyr.

[CZ-100]

Both of the above state that :
The CZ100's trigger is HORRIBLE!!

Well I can say that it does not have the BEST trigger, but it is NOT HORRIBLE! It took a little getting used to but it is really not that bad.

I would also add that the CZ-100 is VERY Accurate

[PCRCCW]

Im an avid CZ guy.....hey, I can admit it.......:neener:

BUT, the Steyr has alot going for it for the price.
Both are dead reliable typically, are very accurate etc bla bla

The Steyr is about 100$ more and is a little nicer..the grip angle is funky at first, but very nice once acclimated to it. The lower barrel location makes it recoil like a 22 mag...in 9mm.
Nice gun........

The CZ is dead reliable, accurate, very nice to hold and shoot, sights are great.......bla bla but the trigger is very inconsistant from CZ.......Ive shot a couple that would put a Glock trigger to SHAME..but most are not that way.......
You can smooth is out, the instructions are on the CZForum in the 100 club.......search youll find it.
And its alot less money.......NIB examples sell for under 300$ locally.......2/3rds of the price of the Steyr. :what:

Either way you can go wrong

Shoot well

[PawDaddy]

Okay guys, I have been doing some reading on the safety issue with the Steyr. This has made me concerned and rethinking this pistol.

For those of you who own one, do you carry it concealed?

What would be a good alternative to these two pistols? I want it to be 9mm, easy to conceal, and priced as low as possible. I really like polymer guns, so I would also want it to be made from this material if possible.

[Cawdor]

Take a look at the Sig P239 (http://www.sigarms.com/products/classicpersonalsize-models.asp?product_id=43&product_name=P239) or, if you want a CZ, the P-01 (http://www.cz-usa.com/_p/pdt.php?id=50).

Besides the safety questions that have been discussed at TFL, Steyr recommends engaging the manual safety "except when the shooter is actually firing the gun" (Owner's Manual, p.13). Make sure that you are comfortable disengaging that safety from the draw. As an alternative, the gun could be carried Condition Three (uncocked, chamber empty, loaded magazine).

[tetchaje1]

I would have no qualms about carrying my Steyr M40 or M9 concealed with a round in the chamber and the striker cocked. I was one of the people, along with twoblink, who argued in favor of the Steyr design back on TFL. I don't know if you read every single thread concerning the Steyr question over at TFL and here, but if you did, my hat's off to you because there are literally dozens of pages on the subject. Both twoblink and I have disassembled our pistols, contacted the designer and chief engineer at Steyr, and have made our own conclusions. Handy and a few others here disagree with us. That is fine. If you don't feel comfortable with the design then don't carry it -- that is the bottom line.

I would definitely not carry the gun without a holster, though.

[SouthpawShootr]

For those of you who own one, do you carry it concealed?

I don't carry mine. But not because of safety concerns. The job's filled by my Glock 19. If I were to carry it, it would be chamber loaded and ready to go. Probably with safety off.

Steyr recommends engaging the manual safety "except when the shooter is actually firing the gun" (Owner's Manual, p.13)......

Are you surprised? This, I think, falls more into the cover your backside category. The manufacturer would be negligent (I don't think so, but some lawyer might) by not recommending use of a safety. Just like every manufacturer says don't load it until it is ready to use.

What would be a good alternative to these two pistols? I want it to be 9mm, easy to conceal, and priced as low as possible. I really like polymer guns, so I would also want it to be made from this material if possible.

Unless you're willing to go the Taurus Millenium Pro route (in that case you are better off with the CZ - I would wait until the Milleniums prove themselves), I can't think of any inexpensive polymer pistols. It's the fad right now and everybody is overcharging. Hey, how about the FN 49 (or something like that)? A little big, but not much bigger than a CZ100.

On the traditional metal frames, there's not much either. I'm partial to the 6906 (out of production, but you can get a nice one for around $300, sometimes $250). Another one to look at would be the S&W value series (908, I think). They make one that is, for all intents and purposes the same as a 3913 (an excellent pistol). Springfield XD-9 compact should run you $400 or so and does have a polymer frame.

[New_comer]

There's the Kel-tec P-11, Glock 26, and XD-9 subcompacts.

The latest Taurus PT111 Millenium pro has had several good reviews as of late, though I'd still wait around a couple of months or so just to be sure... ;)

[mephisto]

Steyr

[arinvolvo]

yep, it is loaded, and chambered...and it is a Steyr.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=344782

[Flashpoint]

I don't know if you read every single thread concerning the Steyr question over at TFL and here, but if you did, my hat's off to you because there are literally dozens of pages on the subject.

Well tip your hat tetchaje1, because if I missed any it was very precious few. I read everything from airplane tolerances to the 3mm slid lift and decided to carry 70% cocked a loaded.

As for the question at hand, I would have to recommend the Steyr. Admitting I was looking for a .45 when I ran across the Steyr. All the .45s in my price range were poor quality, but the Steyr M40 seemed to be made very well. I have yet to find a smoother feed ramp, the operations are smooth, the feel in hand and pointability are excellent, and the sites are uber cool. It is my CCW and I do carry it cocked and loaded with the manual safety on. Which is another thing, I find it very natural to take the safety off when I go to pull the trigger. It's all done in one fluid motion.

For the money I don't think you can go wrong and I think the Steyr will only increase in popularity.

[C. H. Luke]

"For the money I don't think you can go wrong and I think the Steyr will only increase in popularity."

Same vote here.............

[mons meg]

Another Steyr vote here, as my M40 has run flawlessly for the past year. I also looked at the CZ 100 and ended up with the Steyr after checking out a friend's M9. I think the CZ is still a very nice gun...it's just different. The CZ is a true DAO striker design, which accounts for many of the complaints about the trigger, although the trigger did not bother me.

I should also note that I agreed with tetchaje and twoblink's analyses of the Steyr design, that any impact which would cause it to malfunction would also make hamburger of the inner workings (a fall from significant hieght). I would have no problems carrying chambered with this pistol.

Oddly enough, it was the non standard manual safety which sold me on this gun, as I felt that it would be "even safer" if the safety could be buried inside a rigid Kydex holster with no chance of "brush off".

J

[Zundfolge]

I used to carry my M40, and the only reason I stopped is because I picked up a Kahr MK40 (which is much easier to carry).

My MK40 is up for sale (to finance an AR) so my M40 will probably return to carry duty soon (well I hope I sell the Kahr soon ... for those interested its listed in the classifieds here).

[Darrin]

Anyone played with an S40 yet? I've had my eye on one and have only played with an M40. Same? Different? Similar? Anyone? I'm curious if the mag drop and slide release are the same feel and the M's. Does the slightly shorter barrel cause only slightly more recoil?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[arinvolvo]

Steyrs major downfall, at the moment, has been the price.

It is too cheap. People see it at the gunstore for 320, and pass over it...they figure it is not only inexpensive, but CHEAP!

And cheap it is not....if the Steyr sold for Glock prices, people would take them more seriously. And they are definitely worth glock prices..

[Zundfolge]

And cheap it is not....if the Steyr sold for Glock prices, people would take them more seriously. And they are definitely worth glock prices.

Dammit arinvolvo! don't let the cat out of the bag! :neener:

I still wanna pick up an S40 to go with my M40 and I don't wanna pay $600 for it!

[twoblink]

I bought my Steyr when it first came out, for Glock prices :(

But that said, I love my Steyr, and plan to get another one when I return to the states, as well as an S40 to give it a little brother to play with.

Unlike the HK's, where the HK compacts and the HK full sized don't play nice and use the same magazine (Note to HK, you guys mucked it up badly there) The S series will take the M series magazines without a problem :D

PLEASE don't get me started on the Steyr safety issue.. I think I've typed more on that subject that anybody else... IN THE WORLD.

I'd go with the Steyr, if you can buy it at the current price, (Under $300) you should buy 2!