Which AK/ARs are CA legal?


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Young gun
June 15, 2007, 08:15 PM
Okay, so I have to move San Diego. I am loath to not have either an AK or AR, as he they are some of my favorite firearms. I have done some research and I know there are "Off-List" AK and ARs that are CA legal, but I cannot find a comprehensive list of all the manufactures and models. CA legal AKs and ARs are way pricey and I would really like to be able to comparison shop thoroughly, so that I can find the best deal.

BTW, what are the rules for owning an AK or AR with a detachable magazine?

Please help.

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Jack Straw from Wichita
June 15, 2007, 08:42 PM
Young Gun,

Rather than rehash all the gory details here, I suggest that you take a look at the off-list lower (OLL) FAQ at www.calguns.net. The discussion forum on that site also has some good information.

Regards,
-Jack

Young gun
June 15, 2007, 08:55 PM
Thanks for the help, however my head is still spinning from the legalese. :rolleyes:

Young gun
June 15, 2007, 09:40 PM
Just found a thread in THR on a similar topic. They are right. I'm just gonna buy an M1A. No worries or no strange configuration just the real thing.

Jack Straw from Wichita
June 15, 2007, 09:44 PM
Thanks for the help, however my head is still spinning from the legalese

It can take a while to wrap one's brain around it. Have you taken a look at the Commercial Sales forum on that site? The vendors have a good idea of what's legal in California. Cold War Shooters is particularly helpful.

The short version for ARs and AKs is that if the make/model is not explicitly banned, it's legal if it has a non-detachable 10-round magazine (kits such as the Prince 50 exist to facilitate this). Alternately, you can have a detachable mag as long as the off-list rifle does not have any of the evil features (pistol grip, collapsible stock, flash suppressor, etc.). A Monsterman grip is available as a legal replacement for the pistol grip.

On the other hand, you could simply buy an M1A. :)

[Edit: I see you already came to that conclusion]

-Jack

Birukun
June 16, 2007, 12:31 AM
Just make sure you know the difference between a muzzle brake and a flash hider.

Oh wait, I am not sure the CA DOJ knows the difference........

Anyhow, Calguns has ALL the info and juicy details.

Jack pointed you in the right direction.

And welcome to San Diego. It is not like L.A., but you still won't get a CCW , either.

Bill in SD

Molon Labe
June 16, 2007, 09:29 AM
Which AK/ARs are CA legal?
It is lawful to own any AK or AR in CA. But only a few types are legal to own.

gopguy
June 16, 2007, 10:01 AM
I think the crunched and flattened ones run over by the bulldozer at one of Sarah Brady's anti-gun media events is pretty much it.:(:mad::(:mad::(

Buy an M1A minus the bayonet lug and flashhider and I think you will be OK.

My sincere condolences that you have to live among so many people who choose to be sheep...

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3737

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3750

glockman19
June 16, 2007, 12:47 PM
There are a few legal ways to configure an AR to be CA legal. Talk to my friend Chris @ www.LANworldinc.com He offers Stag and other off list uppers & lowers that are CA legal.

SoCalShooter
June 16, 2007, 01:16 PM
I just finished building my california legal AR. Get the button lock and you are golden...well your in the grey area anyways.

kcmarine
June 16, 2007, 01:25 PM
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Which AK/ARs are CA legal?
It is lawful to own any AK or AR in CA. But only a few types are legal to own.

Good point. According to this one group of guys that lived some 231 years ago, ANY weapon is legal to own in the United States.

Blackfork
June 16, 2007, 01:26 PM
If you asked the founders this same question they would give you the correct answer: All AKs are legal in California. What is NOT legal, nor constitutional, nor moral, nor reasonable are the laws of California regarding arms for free men.

crazed_ss
June 16, 2007, 05:49 PM
BTW, what are the rules for owning an AK or AR with a detachable magazine?

If it has a detachable mag, it cant have any other evil features. No flash hider, pistol grip, forward grip, collasping stock, etc. Here are some ideas of what a Cali AR would be like.

http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/Carbon15/azc-c15rm4ft.asp

http://www.californiarifles.com/

http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=146

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=213

When you build your own rifle, you need to start with a receiver that isnt banned. http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/infobuls/kaslist.pdf

I just skipped all the BS and got a M1A.

Young gun
June 16, 2007, 06:27 PM
Hey, thanks for the help right now I am still thinking the M1A but the California Rifles U15 stock kit with an off list receiver has some appeal too. I really dislike the idea of a fixed mag.

Anyone know about AK options? I may just buy a mini-30 but I do so love Russian rifles.


Hey Birukun/Bill, can you recommend some good ranges and gun stores?

CountGlockula
June 16, 2007, 07:08 PM
Young gun-Anyone know about AK options? I may just buy a mini-30 but I do so love Russian rifles.

Here you go:http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=266

Also, the calguns guys can help you build one too.

Welcome to CA!!!

glockman19
June 16, 2007, 09:22 PM
You can get an AR with monsterman grip, Muzzle break, Fixed A2 stock and still use detachable magazines. I specifically had one configured this way to take advantage of all the 20 & 30 round Pre-ban mags I've had before 94.

Avenger29
June 17, 2007, 08:18 PM
And Keltec makes the SU-16, which takes AR mags.

The good news about the AK is that you can get one with a "sporter" stock, like the Saiga rifles come with...

MD_Willington
June 18, 2007, 12:14 PM
The newer Saiga rifles are legal to own in Kali, as the previous ones are banned by name, the new ones are not.

crazed_ss
June 18, 2007, 08:24 PM
The newer Saiga rifles are legal to own in Kali, as the previous ones are banned by name, the new ones are not.

This is true. There are gun shops here stocking them on the shelves.

People should understand that the legal RAAC Saigas are pretty much the same as the banned Kalishnikov USA Saigas. There's a chance you could end up in cuffs if a LEO who doesnt understand the intracies of CA AW laws sees the rifle.

Each person needs to know the potential risks and decide if it's worth it.

MEH
June 18, 2007, 08:38 PM
Which AK/ARs are CA legal?
The ones that have the barrel welded shut!:neener: Sorry I couldn't resist; I'd be lost without my AK.

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