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Aaryq
June 16, 2007, 07:58 PM
Howdy, Folks. Any responsible shooter worth his salt knows that if you drink, don't shoot and if you shoot, don't drink. That's not why I'm posting. I know that in ND and CA, it is illegal to go afield (hunting) while intoxicated. Are there any laws that you know of prohibiting the use of firearms while intoxicated? It can be anything from shooting at the range or in your back yard (if your yard is legally big enough) to using a firearm to defend you and yours in an otherwise legal use of firearms.

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Car Knocker
June 16, 2007, 08:16 PM
How are you defining intoxicated?

kcmarine
June 16, 2007, 08:28 PM
Well, I believe it's against the law to use a firearm while intoxicated in Missouri.

Biker
June 16, 2007, 08:44 PM
I'm a responsible shooter, worth my salt and I drink and shoot and shoot and drink. I hunt and drink on occasion and defend me and mine while drinking on occasion.
It ain't against State law in Idaho and more importantly, it ain't against natural law.

I'd say your thesis statement is flawed. No pudding for you.

Biker

Aaryq
June 16, 2007, 08:45 PM
I am defining intoxicate as .08 or .10, as your state's DUI laws dictate.

glockman19
June 16, 2007, 08:47 PM
Guns and Alcohol....
....DO NOT MIX

Chad
June 16, 2007, 08:48 PM
From Florida statutes:
790.151 Using firearm while under the influence of alcoholic beverages, chemical substances, or controlled substances; penalties.--

(1) As used in ss. 790.151-790.157, to "use a firearm" means to discharge a firearm or to have a firearm readily accessible for immediate discharge.

(2) For the purposes of this section, "readily accessible for immediate discharge" means loaded and in a person's hand.

(3) It is unlawful and punishable as provided in subsection (4) for any person who is under the influence of alcoholic beverages, any chemical substance set forth in s. 877.111, or any substance controlled under chapter 893, when affected to the extent that his or her normal faculties are impaired, to use a firearm in this state.

(4) Any person who violates subsection (3) commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(5) This section does not apply to persons exercising lawful self-defense or defense of one's property.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0790/SEC151.HTM&Title=-%3E2006-%3ECh0790-%3ESection%20151#0790.151

Note item (5) "This section does not apply to persons exercising lawful self-defense or defense of one's property."

I find that refreshingly realistic. If I ever find out who was responsible for that item I will convey my sincere thanks.

Biker
June 16, 2007, 08:52 PM
I'd agree with your post if I was stirring my drink with my Glock. Otherwise, I disagree.
Fact is, I've never seen a drink hop up off a coffee table, grab a gun and shoot someone. Have you?

Biker
:)

jselvy
June 16, 2007, 08:58 PM
Is there another use for a Glock than as a stirrer? :)

Jefferson

Biker
June 16, 2007, 09:02 PM
Cold Jefferson, downright frosty.

Biker:)

jselvy
June 16, 2007, 09:06 PM
I just couldn't help myself.

Jefferson

Chad
June 16, 2007, 09:08 PM
All right...no Glock bashing now...
I have a couple 1911s that, being longer and narrower, would make better drink stirrers...'course they wouldn't hold up to the liquid as well. :D

Aaryq
June 16, 2007, 09:11 PM
Glockman19, Just so it doesn't become an issue, I'll state this now. I do drink. I also have a range card for Iron Sights. If I cannot drive myself to Iron Sights because I've been drinking, I do not go. I will not drive for at least an hour and a half per drink up to 3 drinks. After 3 drinks, I will not drive for the rest of the night. I am not trying to attack you in any way shape or form. If you are only re-enforcing my point, this is a re-re-enforcer.

Prince Yamato
June 16, 2007, 10:59 PM
I suspect the tea-totalers will be out in a moment. Look folks, alcohol isn't some sort of magic potion. For most people, one drink doesn't incapacitate them. If you've drunk so much that you can't drive, then you probably shouldn't shoot. But one drink does not a drunkard make. And as for drinking changing one's personality and judgement, I call BS on that. All alcohol does is enhance whatever mood you're in. Case in point:

"Bob's such an a-hole when he's drunk"

Wrong, Bob's an a-hole when he's sober too, just now he's lost his filter.

Alcohol is also a convinient excuse:

"Oh my God Sandy! I was so drunk! I slept with 3 people in one hour!"

Again, said person is merely using the alcohol as an excuse


In short, one drink plus a range trip isn't going to kill you or someone else. You all know your limits.

theken206
June 16, 2007, 11:04 PM
I assure the high road my boda bladder with pepermint schnaps and vodka when elk hunting is only used as a impromptu sand bag and not consumption.;)

Aaryq
June 16, 2007, 11:09 PM
The Marine Corps says 1 drink an hour. It may only be 1 drink, but I'll follow those rules until I'm out of the Corps (and that's the bare minimum).

.cheese.
June 16, 2007, 11:11 PM
I'd say your thesis statement is flawed. No pudding for you.

Biker

LMAO! Can I sig that Biker?! Please!!??

Elza
June 16, 2007, 11:39 PM
Prince you sound a man with a real handle on the situation. I couldnít agree more. BTW, Iím one of those tea-totalers. :D

Biker
June 17, 2007, 12:09 AM
Feel free, Bro, feel free.

Biker:)

obxned
June 17, 2007, 12:18 AM
I do not drink and play with guns. I may be an old, out-of-touch idiot (according to my kids), but I'm just not that stupid.

However, the Founding Fathers did most of their recruiting and organizing in taverns, and I do not think they were there drinking the newly taxed tea. While I have set my personal level at a certain point, I wonder if this is something written in stone for everyone.

EricTheBarbarian
June 17, 2007, 12:20 AM
you never drink and shoot because you might spill your drink.

Soybomb
June 17, 2007, 03:32 AM
Ohhh a guns and alcohol thread. Whatever biker has said I agree with.

Not only do I not lock up the knives when I'm drinking, I sometimes use them to cook or eat with! The guns get no more special treatment than the knives.

Shanghai McCoy
June 17, 2007, 05:55 AM
Someone once wrote:"Do not mix strong drink and firearms.It can cause you to shoot at tax collectors,and miss..."

mike101
June 17, 2007, 08:26 AM
Shooting and drinking should only be tolerated if you are the Vice-president.:D

Gbro
June 17, 2007, 08:32 AM
I use an Igloo Playmate cooler for a range kit.
I set up for a concealed carry shooting exercise one afternoon.
With the cooler just sitting on the bench and me waiting on 3 students to arrive, the couple that was shooting finished up and left.
We were just getting started with the exercise and 2 squad cars came in fast and one covered us and the other made a bee line for my cooler.

Here the last shooters on the range made an assumption that i was going to be drinking and shooting and called 911. (what else could a cooler be good for)?

I wanted to hunt down the @%$$ &@^%$ and.............., Then i cooled down and did some damage control. the club precedent had to be called, He had heard about it already, (scanner land) Had to be at the next regular meeting to fend off rumors, etc.

And i still use the Igloo, They are the lunch pail choice of the overweight, and when i want a mag, i want it just as bad as some want a sandwich.

gyp_c2
June 17, 2007, 08:49 AM
LMAO....gbro...yer' too much...
And i still use the Igloo, They are the lunch pail choice of the overweight, and when i want a mag, i want it just as bad as some want a sandwich.

I think you should be able to confront yer' cooler reporter and they should also pay for ammo for one year as a tribute.http://emoticons4u.com/smoking/rauch06.gif

RealGun
June 17, 2007, 08:57 AM
Addicts always have an excuse. Guns and alcohol threads always read the same. I think the truth is that alcohol affects some differently than others, but those who think they know their limits are usually kidding themsleves and are not to be trusted, let alone respected.

Biker
June 17, 2007, 01:04 PM
C'mon man...admit it...fess up...in your real life day job, you're the Quaker Oats guy.

Right?...Right?

I knew it!

Biker

.cheese.
June 17, 2007, 02:30 PM
Thanks Biker!

Biker
June 17, 2007, 02:34 PM
My pleasure, Bro.

Biker:)

Sage of Seattle
June 17, 2007, 03:19 PM
but those who think they know their limits are usually kidding themsleves and are not to be trusted, let alone respected.

As opposed to those of us who actually know what our limits are and not just that we think we know.

By the way, my personal alcohol limits vary depending on the situation. Rigid rules regarding alcohol often are a characteristic of alcoholism.

glockman19
June 17, 2007, 03:53 PM
Drinking after a shoot is fine. Drinking while cleaning guns is OK. Drinking before & durring a shoot is not a great idea. while many have and will cotinue to do it It's not real smart.

I would never use my Glock firearm to stir perhaps my glock knife however.

Kimber1911_06238
June 17, 2007, 03:55 PM
In CT, if your BAC is .08 or greater it is illegal to possess or shoot a firearm. (that means no target practice, hunting, concealed carry, etc.)

Biker
June 17, 2007, 03:56 PM
Nobody ever accused me of being smart.

Biker:)

glockman19
June 17, 2007, 04:16 PM
Better to err on the side of safety. :) Also, wasn't refering to you as being smart or not it's the act not the individual.

I know alot of Smart Attorneys, Doctors and other professionals that do dumb things from time to time.

Also I wouldn't shoot while on any medication that would interfere with my shooting ability either.

Autolycus
June 17, 2007, 05:22 PM
I dont see what the big deal is if one can do both safely? Perhaps we need more nanny state politicians to tell us what is bad for us and what is good for us and what is not safe for us and what is safe?

Noxx
June 18, 2007, 03:24 PM
The only occasion that readily admit to drinking and playing with guns involves the boys, a triple feature of WWII movies, and a bunch of C&R rifles with the ammo in the safe.

I'm all for being responsible, but I mean c'mon, if you can't play with your garand while watching "the longest day", what's it for anyway?

MJZZZ
June 18, 2007, 03:29 PM
I never use both at the same time, but after I shoot I always wrap my sore trigger finger around an ice cold 12oz can. Mike

Art Eatman
June 18, 2007, 03:41 PM
This thread's a lot like a broken sword.

Not much point to it.

Art

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