Today's "protest" at Chuck's in Riverdale, IL


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Gator
June 16, 2007, 11:00 PM
"Father Flaky", as Father Pfleger is known in Chicago, and Je$$e Jack$on were at it again today. They staged another march to Chuck's Gunshop in Riverdale, IL just two weeks after Pfleger's incitement to murder at the last protest.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Galt38/chucks0706162small.jpg

There were 50-60 protesters there and about two dozen cops. The police made all of the gunshop customers go inside the shop so that Jackson and Pfleger could make their speeches in front of the shop with no distracting pro-2A signs in view.

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I bought a snub nosed revolver when I was there just because I could. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Galt38/a-usa.gif

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simpleguy
June 16, 2007, 11:51 PM
For the life of me I don't get the disconnect between the First and Second Ammendment......it's like they read the First Ammendment and go off to protest.

obxned
June 17, 2007, 12:24 AM
Meanwhile, crack futures were up agian on heavy trading.

Prince Yamato
June 17, 2007, 02:47 AM
Oh the irony of a group of black people protesting for stricter FOID controls when the FOID was installed specifically as a measure to prevent black people from owning firearms. The sad thing is, Jackson is a religious leader whom the black community is supposed to look up to yet, he is a shepherd who continuously misleads his flock on 2A issues.

jpk1md
June 17, 2007, 08:09 AM
Jesse Jackson is an asshat that does nothing more than incite dissent/anger in order to better exploit the people in the African American community in order to line his own pockets.....remember he's paying something like 10k each month in child support.

mike101
June 17, 2007, 08:52 AM
Not to bring up a sore subject, but does it strike anyone else as odd, that the cops had no qualms about about denying the gunowners their first ammendment rights? Yet, when a group like Westboro Baptist Church is acting up at soldiers' funerals, they are powerless to do anything about it, citing the 1A as their excuse.
:barf:

Dustinthewind
June 17, 2007, 10:55 AM
+1 mike

Me when I read that text:cuss::cuss::banghead::eek: If the first ammendment gives Jackson and his troup the right to protest it also give the supporters of Chucks gunshop the right to protest the views of Jackson and his troup. I think a lawyer should be consulted and a suit filed for infringement on their 1st A. rights. Jackson and Fred Phelps and others like them hide behind the 1st A as they spread their hate and discontent.

TEDDY
June 17, 2007, 11:56 AM
Its interesting to note that only one white is in the picture and it is the mins/prist whatever.its like the jewish politicions that are for gun control.you would think blacks/jewish would be the last to be for gun control.but maybe they are socialists.study the history of socialisim.you would be suprised.all the black people I talk to have no use for jackson guess its because there all hunters/gun owners
:banghead::cuss::uhoh:

xilch
June 17, 2007, 12:08 PM
Any count on the number of pro-second amendment protesters?

Gator
June 17, 2007, 01:46 PM
Xilch, there were about 20 pro-2A supporters there.

SentWest
June 17, 2007, 02:05 PM
Not to bring up a sore subject, but does it strike anyone else as odd, that the cops had no qualms about about denying the gunowners their first ammendment rights? Yet, when a group like Westboro Baptist Church is acting up at soldiers' funerals, they are powerless to do anything about it, citing the 1A as their excuse.

Problem is, most responsible gun owners are by nature responsible citizens who respect laws and authority even when they don't agree with them. If the cops confront them, they'll back down instead of getting riotus. Can you imagine any of those 20 pro-2A protesters screaming about racism etc. if the police take any action, can you imagine any of the Jackson group NOT?

The WBC folks on the other hand, have camcorders on hand to record them some "police butality" if an officer looks at them too hard. They're out just itching for something to sue over. It's a rough situation for the police, surely, but unfortunately, as always, the law-abiding get the short end of the stick.

highlander 5
June 17, 2007, 04:38 PM
I will repeat the immortal question asked by many answered by none........
What church do the REVERENDS Jackson and Sharpton officiate from????
The world will never know

Avenger29
June 17, 2007, 04:58 PM
he sad thing is, Jackson is a religious leader whom the black community is supposed to look up to yet, he is a shepherd who continuously misleads his flock on 2A issues.


I will repeat the immortal question asked by many answered by none........
What church do the REVERENDS Jackson and Sharpton officiate from????
The world will never know

They are not "Reverends" in order to lead at a church or anything like that. Instead, the reason that they are ministers is to try to get tax exemptions, etc.

They are anything but men of God.

I like Rush Limbaugh's term for Jesse and Al- "The Justice Brothers"

Oh, and Jesse's and the NAACP boycott of SC has not hurt us one whit. The only reason they have power is that the news media and pandering politicians pay attention to them. Everyone else ignores them.

Don Gwinn
June 17, 2007, 08:16 PM
This is not an Activism topic. Activism is for arranging activism.

Mocking political attention-whores is for Legal & Political.

Autolycus
June 17, 2007, 08:38 PM
What I dont understand is why so many people dont understand that the Pro-2A people could protest as well. In fact some did. But some people here make it seem as if they were not allowed to.

Obxned: Its sad that you cannot take the high road.

Another thing I dont understand is why so many people here are attacking Clergy men personally for having different views. That is something a very ignorant person would do and it is not high road.

gunsmith
June 17, 2007, 08:40 PM
who is marching with the pro baby killing Jackson.

I guess the Archdiocese will go against the Vatican and support abortion too.
The Archdiocese has a hard time answering phone calls, this number (found buried deep in the Archdiocese website)
312 751 5354 is for something called "respect for life" which I guess in the windy city
means abortion and death threats

Gator
June 17, 2007, 09:47 PM
Another thing I dont understand is why so many people here are attacking Clergy men personally for having different views. That is something a very ignorant person would do and it is not high road.

Pfleger called for the murders of the owner of Chuck's and all politicians who vote against gun control, and that was just one of the crazy, illegal, things he has said and done over the years. Pfleger is a liar and a criminal who happens to be a priest, THAT is why people are justifiably attacking him, not because he has different political views. You must not know much about Pfleger to have said what you did, he is NOT a typical clergyman.

Moderators, please move this thread to Legal and Political, if that is where it belongs.

Don Gwinn
June 17, 2007, 10:43 PM
Pfleger is a nitwit who has no right to hide behind his collar. Jesse Jackson . . . let's just say Jesse Jackson is a shakedown artist. I don't care if he calls himself clergy.

Doggy Daddy
June 17, 2007, 11:07 PM
Tecumseh
Obxned: Its sad that you cannot take the high road.

obxned
Meanwhile, crack futures were up agian on heavy trading.

Whether or not it's "High Road" or not is debatable. But I'll tell you what, that's funny right there, I don't care who you are. :neener:



Tecumseh
Another thing I dont understand...

I'm just going to preemptively edit myself on that one. See? I can be "High Road". :D

Tommygunn
June 17, 2007, 11:56 PM
I like Rush Limbaugh's term for Jesse and Al- "The Justice Brothers"

Yes, but I believe it is more "just-us" given Limbaugh's subtle inflection when he says it.

BobCav
June 18, 2007, 12:13 AM
Gunsmith, I'm also a Catholic that's disgusted with Pfleger's statements and acts that are in direct violation of the Church's teachings and laws. I just wrote the Cardinal a letter based on my comments in my blog www.rightisright.us. Second article down.

IMHO, Pfleger is a fallen priest and should be excommunicated immediately.

eric_t12
June 18, 2007, 12:19 AM
Just-us... classic. I'm glad i'm from a 'hick state'...

Autolycus
June 18, 2007, 12:41 AM
If you all really want to believe that the priest meant kill that is fine. But I dont believe he did and you all just want to misconstrue his words.

Either way does anyone have any proof he did not mean to find him? I have heard the term used to "find" people. But hey as long as we can attack people who have different values, why not?

Should we start to dissect some of the postings of pro-gun people? Does anyone remember the thread about lynching a politician? Of course everyone rushed to the mans defense since he was talking about hanging people. I will look for it. I believe it was in Pennsylavania.

Doggy Daddy
June 18, 2007, 12:45 AM
Tecumseh

If you all really want to believe that the priest meant kill that is fine. But I dont believe he did and you all just want to misconstrue his words.

Either way does anyone have any proof he did not mean to find him? I have heard the term used to "find" people. But hey as long as we can attack people who have different values, why not?

Are you really saying that it all comes down to what your definition of "kill" is? :banghead:

BobCav
June 18, 2007, 12:50 AM
My letter to the Cardinal has nothing to do with his use of the word snuff. There's a much larger dynamic at play. His protesting the gun store and all guns prevents law abiding citizens from defending themselves and protecting their own God given lives and is in violation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. (Canon's 2263/64/65 "Legitimate Defense").

Autolycus
June 18, 2007, 01:03 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=272973&highlight=hung+pennsylvania


Could it not be said that he would snuff him out like a candle and make him worthless? Or that they would snuff him out like a rat? I dont agree with the priest but I dont think I would take lowball tactics like purposefully misunderstanding his words and trying to make a bigger deal than it is.

Answer me this, the priest has some deniability in what he meant but the people in the above thread support one Pro-gun guys death threat? Hypocrisy is rampant when it comes to some of us, isn't it?

Doggy Daddy
June 18, 2007, 01:23 AM
Tecumseh

Answer me this, the priest has some deniability in what he meant but the people in the above thread support one Pro-gun guys death threat? Hypocrisy is rampant when it comes to some of us, isn't it?

1) Why are you so invested in defending these "attention-whores"?

2) It is not generally a good argument to defend someone by saying "but they did it too".

3) Misdirection, mirrors, and straw men. Calling others "hypocrites", whether wrongly or rightly, is also an ineffective defense of your "priest" and/or "reverend". :barf:

Prince Yamato
June 18, 2007, 02:31 AM
Tecumseh,

You are most likely correct. No the priest is NOT going to kill the gunshop owner. His choice of words, however, are very poor. He's claiming that the gunstore owners promote death and violence, then he himself is promoting active violence (snuff is not a passive adjective) against the gunshop owner. It's one thing if he said he's going to kill (or snuff) the 2A, but the noun he used was the gunshop owner's name.

Deanimator
June 18, 2007, 09:36 AM
Could it not be said that he would snuff him out like a candle and make him worthless? Or that they would snuff him out like a rat? I dont agree with the priest but I dont think I would take lowball tactics like purposefully misunderstanding his words and trying to make a bigger deal than it is.
As a famous oxycontin user once said, "Words mean things."

All of the tap dancing, shucking and jiving, and handwaving in the world isn't going to change the COMMON meaning of the word "snuff" when applied to another human being. Not only is to "kill" or "eliminate" the REAL meaning in that context, it's meant that for a VERY long time. In FACT, I believe "Military History Quarterly" magazine once quoted Andrew Jackson as having instructed a sharpshooter to KILL a high ranking British officer advancing with his troops with the command, "Snuff his candle".

Pfleger's not just an unstable nutcase for instructing a bunch of idiots to murder someone; or a liar and a coward for denying what he said; he's also a racist for tirelessly seeking to infantilize and diminish Black people by treating them as mentally incompetent to own firearms. There isn't a dime's worth of difference between him and Senator(?) Bilbo, who during WWII tried to bar Blacks from serving in the military.

DonP
June 18, 2007, 10:42 AM
Tecumseh: "I have heard the term used to "find" people."

I would love to see an example or two of the term "snuff out" used in that context. The Chicago Tribune nor the Sun Times were able to find any.

It's a free country and if you want to be an apologist for this preening excuse for a self-absorbed clergyman it's your right ... unless he decides it's not anymore. You see Pfleger has also decided he gets to decide what you can advertise or what you can sell publicly too and even who can purchase property in his parish as well.

The Chicago facts:

Pfleger comes from a neighborhood and a parish (St. Sabinas) that is immersed in gang and drug violence. He has made himself the sole arbiter of what is and isn't fair and reasonable in terms of free speech, gun rights and just about every other issue he can find that will get him news time. He has vandalized billboards for products he doesn't approve of and refused to pay fines for the property he destroyed.

So far he has twice refused reassignment to another parish by the Chicago archdiocese, so much for the Poverty, Chastity and Obedience vows he made.

I just want one newsperson, on camera, to go up to him and ask him for the names of the gang members in his own parish or to ask him why he hasn't called for his parishoners to name names and turn in their family members that are involved in gang activities.

A sad part of the African American, and to a slightly lesser degree, the Hispanic Communities, in Chicago and other cities, is the "Don't talk to the police" rule and never turn in a family member.

It's so ubiqutous that last month a grandmother on the South Side saw her own grandson involved in a bank robbery on the evening news and when she turned him in it made the front page. Doing the right thing should not be front page news.

Of course she was immediately harassed by neigbors for turning in a family member, even one that shot and killed an African American bank teller on security camera footage, and had to move out of the neighborhood.

But it's easier to pick on a gun store than face the dirt in your own backyard. No glory or news coverage in doing that.

Besides, making new rules that stop a target shooter at the Kankakee rifle range from using a semi-automatic rifle will somehow have a profound impact on crime in his community, I'm sure.

buzz_knox
June 18, 2007, 10:56 AM
I've seen "snuff out" used in the context of searching for someone or something.

However, we need to remember that the priest's first advocacy of violence was for the crowd to pull the shop owner out and then snuff him. In that context, the word can only mean to murder the shop owner.

Deanimator
June 18, 2007, 11:15 AM
A sad part of the African American, and to a slightly lesser degree, the Hispanic Communities, in Chicago and other cities, is the "Don't talk to the police" rule and never turn in a family member.
While in most cases I despise the "stop snitching" morons, having as little to do with the Chicago PD as possible is usually a GOOD policy. Here's one example why: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=5013058&ft=lg

freakazoid
June 18, 2007, 11:26 AM
I've seen "snuff out" used in the context of searching for someone or something.

I've seen "sniff out" but never "snuff out" used to mean to search for someone or something.

Carl N. Brown
June 18, 2007, 01:49 PM
Catholic Priest Michael Pfleger during a May 26th 2007 "protest" outside Chuck's Gun Shop in Riverdale ILHe's the owner of Chuck’s, John Riggio, R-i-g-g-i-o. We're going to find you and snuff you out. You can't keep hiding because you're afraid. Obviously, you know you're doing something wrong. You wouldn't have your business in a truck. You wouldn't have a truck pulled in front of your door, because you know you've got to hide. Like a rat, you're going to hide, but like a rat we're going to catch you and pull you out. We are not going to allow you to continue to hide when we're here.

If John Riggio has not done anything wrong, Pfleger has publicly defamed
him and incited a crowd to catch him and pull him out like a rat.
Problem I have with reading "snuff out" as searching for someone is
the sentence quoted above from the transcript of the video would
mean: "We're going to find you and search for you." I mean, if someone
has found you, would they need to search any further? Given the
meaning for "snuff out" as in kill, this is creepifying rhetoric for a holy
man. "We're going to find you and put your lights out" is a more logical
reading. Not that I credit Pfleger with logic.

I have posted before: one should think before speaking or writing
in public, because anything you say will be taken out of context
and used against you in the court of public opinion.

gunsmith
June 18, 2007, 06:09 PM
Normally, I disagree with you but respect your argument, but your defense of "snuff" is absurd.

You can "sniff" out the truth, but a "snuff" movie is one in which some one is killed.
Saying you are going to "snuff" some one is clearly a death threat.
BobCav also points out that the Priest is going against catechism.
I pointed out that Jackson is for baby killing, many black Christians point out that abortion has snuffed out many black babies.
The "Priest" is a Judas and deserves the boot.

Please Tecumseh, please don't get all wr4ma or mercedesrules on us.
We need intelligent debate not "rainbow coalition" talking points!

scurtis_34471
June 18, 2007, 06:44 PM
So far, the national press seems to be ignoring this ridiculous protest.

SoCalShooter
June 18, 2007, 06:48 PM
I see two crooks lined up for more crooked-ness.

MikePGS
June 18, 2007, 06:56 PM
The only comments i have for this aren't very high road. Glad to see some pro 2A people out there though:)

bogie
June 24, 2007, 12:09 PM
This is not an Activism topic. Activism is for arranging activism.

Mocking political attention-whores is for Legal & Political.

Actually, it's an opportunity for arranging activism. You guys are a little too tightly wrapped. Don't just think outside the box. Reinvent the box.

What we need is an opposing protest, with signs, bullhorns, etc.

"Ban Racist Gun Laws!"

Betcha that'd get noticed.

Phaetos
June 24, 2007, 12:28 PM
Jesse's background (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27032)

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