M1 Carbine Kali Kosher?


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Langenator
June 17, 2007, 11:39 PM
I ask because I have a nephew who lives in the PRK, as do my folks. He's 13, and earned his Rifle Shooting merit badge, but he did it with an air rifle.

I'd like to take him shooting next time I go visit my folks, but everything else I have is either a shoulder bruiser milsurp bolt gun or semi (Garand, FN-49, SVT) or non-kosher in the PRK (AR, AK, Yugo 59/66 SKS)

The reason I ask is because it's semi-auto, detachable mag, and has the dread (gasp) bayonet lug! :eek: And I seem to remember guns only needing one EVIL feature to be non-kosher in the PRK.

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Noxx
June 17, 2007, 11:44 PM
M1 carbine is fine here in the PRK, the store up the street sells em pretty regularly.

Tommygunn
June 18, 2007, 01:02 AM
I believe that while carbine is OKAY, the 15 round mags are way uncool in Kommiefornia -- by that I mean illegal. 10 and 5 rnds, okay, but the socialists there really really hate it when peons get ... "high capacity" magazines and arrest them.

Langenator
June 18, 2007, 02:03 AM
Oi...forgot about that. I've never even seen anything less than 15 for the carbine.

vta33
June 18, 2007, 02:29 AM
The M1 Carbine is not an assault rifle under California law and 10-round magazines are available.

http://www.miltecharms.com/extras.htm

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12275.php

Aaryq
June 18, 2007, 01:27 PM
Believe it or not, PRK pulled it's head out of it's behind about 2 inches and no longer counts bayonet lugs as an assault weapon feature. Aside from that, if you can score him a 10 round magazine then you're good-to-go.

ArmedBear
June 18, 2007, 01:41 PM
Or you can use an old (pre-ban) 15-round magazine that he already has in his garage.

SoCalShooter
June 18, 2007, 01:56 PM
kahr arms makes 10 round magazines! and if you have the pre-ban mags (yeah figure that one out) you can use those.

billwiese
June 18, 2007, 02:01 PM
I'd like to take him shooting next time I go visit my folks, but everything else I have is either a shoulder bruiser milsurp bolt gun or semi (Garand, FN-9, SVT) or non-kosher in the PRK (AR, AK, Yugo 59/66 SKS)

Hmmm, a few misperceptions here:

SKSes in general, along with slightly-tweaked Yugo 59/66s are legal in CA. SKSes can't have detachable magazines, that's all.

Yugo 59/66s must have their 'grenade launcher' removed/disabled - I have one in my safe that InterOrdnance made CA-legal (before importation into the state via my FFL) via a welded sleeve on the G/L. [Possession of the G/L alone even without a rifle is a no-no.]

The reason I ask is because it's semi-auto, detachable mag, and has the dread (gasp) bayonet lug! And I seem to remember guns only needing one EVIL feature to be non-kosher in the PRK.

Bayonet lugs are not an evil feature in CA AW law. Hell, put 10 of 'em on a rifle.

Semauto centerfire rifles can have detachable mags (with a special "named" exception of the SKS) as long as they have no other evil features. CA gunshops have M1As and Mini14s and KelTec SU16s all over their shelves.

An M1 Carbine is perfectly fine for you to bring into CA and for you to have your relative(s) shoot. Just ensure it has a regular M1 carbine rifle stock (and not that M2 'paratrooper' wire-bail stock, w/pistol grip, etc.) Don't bring in any hicap magazines (those holding over 10rds) into CA - get some cheapie 10rd replacement mags.


Bill Wiese
San Jose, CA

Noxx
June 18, 2007, 03:42 PM
Sorry I didn't mention magazines in my original response. I've never seen one with a 15rd mag. Tells ya somethin.

Langenator
June 18, 2007, 05:34 PM
Well, I don't plan on disabling my 59/66s GLs just for a visit to Kali, since I have no intention of livng there ever again, barring some rather massive changes to gun laws and taxation levels.

And the paratrooper stocked version is the M1A1. The M2 is the full auto version. Kokalis has an article on it in the latest SGN.

Now, given that all my mags are USGI 15 rounders, made back in the 50s (I assume) how exactl would they prove that the mags weren't in-state prior to the ban?

ArmedBear
June 18, 2007, 05:43 PM
Only by looking at this thread.

gunsmith
June 18, 2007, 10:09 PM
made back in the 50s (I assume) how exactl would they prove that the mags weren't in-state prior to the ban?

If they somehow stopped you for something coming over the state line I guess they could, but why risk it?

To be honest though, it didn't seem like anyone obeyed that law when I lived there.

Ratzinger_p38
June 18, 2007, 11:21 PM
If they somehow stopped you for something coming over the state line I guess they could, but why risk it?

To be honest though, it didn't seem like anyone obeyed that law when I lived there.

Yeah I noticed that too. They only can prove it with newer magazines. A 65 year old M1 carbine magazine made by Union Hardware wouldnt set off as many bells.

billwiese
June 18, 2007, 11:41 PM
I'd urge those above discussing importation of hicaps during a visit to CA to refrain from either abetment or possible future self-incrimination.

Remember, you're an out of stater, and DAs can "charge a ham sandwich".
Yes, it can be hard to prove. No, that might not stop charges from beng filed in even a sketchy case. Charges get dropped after $4000 on a lawyer and an agreement to give up the rifle in question.

Go get some 10 rounders if you're gonna bring a mag fed firearm into CA.

Hell, people have been busted at Reno gunshows bringing hicaps back.

There is currenltly added senistivity to AW stuff given our little revolution on Calguns, and they'd love to nail up some busts. All it takes is one traffic stop.


Bill Wiese
San Jose CA

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