17 year old protects his mother during carjacking


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S&W 910
June 18, 2007, 06:54 PM
Bravo kid !!!!



http://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/2007/06/a_wouldbe_carjacker_found_hims.html

Would-be carjacker shot twice by intended victim
Posted by The Times-Picayune June 18, 2007 3:51PM
A would-be carjacker found himself on the receiving end of several bullets after one of his intended victims successfully wrestled away the gun and shot him, all in the drive-thru line of a Metairie fast food restaurant.
Carl Chestnut, 44, was shot in the head and torso, but his injuries weren't life-threatening, according to Col. John Fortunato, spokesman for the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office. He was transported to a local hospital where he is expected to recover.
Chestnut, 44, apparently tried to carjack an unidentified 53-year-old Kenner mother and her 17-year-old son, who were waiting in line to place an order about 1:30 a.m. Monday at Arby's Roast Beef Restaurant, 3847 Veterans Memorial Blvd., Fortunato said.
Chestnut approached the driver's side of their car on foot and pointed a revolver at them, demanding money and the car. As he attempted to pull the mother out of the car, the teenager began to struggle with Chestnut over the weapon, Fortunato said.
At least one shot was fired inside of the car before the teen got control of the gun. He then shot Chestnut several times, Fortunato said.
The 17-year-old won't be charged in the incident, Fortunato said.

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RobXD9
June 18, 2007, 06:58 PM
If only guns were banned at drive thru windows this could never happen.

*sarc off*

Bravo to that kid and big time kudos for having the courage to stand up as an American.

-Robert

Aguila Blanca
June 18, 2007, 07:01 PM
It's refreshing to know that the teenager won't be charged.

It's a sad commentary on life in the United States that it's even necessary to mention that.

oldfart
June 18, 2007, 07:03 PM
"Bravo to that kid and big time kudos for having the courage to stand up as . . . " a human.

Perhaps more appropriate.

jselvy
June 18, 2007, 07:05 PM
Maybe we could have a whip 'round and buy him a real gun. Maybe inscribed with a profound phrase or something. To show that there are people who approve and respect his actions, because he is going to get a beat down in his daily life from the local Blissninnies.
I for one would be happy to donate $5.00 (its all I can Spare) I can't set it up myself as I am currently in the UK, so no guns.

Jefferson

freakazoid
June 18, 2007, 07:05 PM
Good for him, :D The kid should be rewarded.

The 17-year-old won't be charged in the incident, Fortunato said.

:D As he shouldn't be. This shouldn't even be an issue, :mad:

jselvy
June 18, 2007, 07:54 PM
This kind of behavior needs to be reinforced.

Jefferson

Rich K
June 18, 2007, 08:20 PM
Absolutely, this behavior needs to be reinforced. Sad thing is, when I was a youngster, this would have been the norm, not the exception.

jselvy
June 18, 2007, 08:29 PM
Can't we do anything for this Lad?


Jefferson

meef
June 18, 2007, 08:31 PM
Absolutely, this behavior needs to be reinforced. Sad thing is, when I was a youngster, this would have been the norm, not the exception.Hmm...

When I was a youngster, they didn't have carjackings.

:cool:

And yes, they did have cars.

Autolycus
June 18, 2007, 11:09 PM
Well what really shocks me is that with the statement about how "the young man would not be charged" is that it implies it is normal to charge someone involved in a self defense case. That really tells us a lot about our society and what is happening.

Standing Wolf
June 18, 2007, 11:14 PM
He was transported to a local hospital where he is expected to recover.

Bad move.

pacodelahoya
June 18, 2007, 11:18 PM
Bad move.


Yea, they shoulda glued some whiskers to his face and pinned a tail on him and sent him to Bikers yard.:D

makarova
June 19, 2007, 12:18 AM
Put me down for$10.00(I'm unemployed,else I would send more). Tell me where to send it. Southern Ohio is a little far from La.

Rich K
June 19, 2007, 03:57 AM
Meef, What I meant was the 17 year old defending his mom. We didn't have carjackings when I was a youngster either.

Noxx
June 19, 2007, 04:15 AM
Maybe we could have a whip 'round and buy him a real gun. Maybe inscribed with a profound phrase or something. To show that there are people who approve and respect his actions, because he is going to get a beat down in his daily life from the local Blissninnies.

I've got $20 on that if someone wants to get a donor paypal acct set up.

eric_t12
June 19, 2007, 04:42 AM
^^^ read above ^^^

I would love to start this, and i would personally donate 10 dollars.

However, we would need to know more information.

Statutes on gifts for firearms, age limits for ownership, contact information for him, and such.

MEH
June 19, 2007, 08:47 AM
The 17-year-old won't be charged in the incident, Fortunato said.

Why would anyone even think of this being a possibility!:banghead:

ar10
June 19, 2007, 10:24 AM
In the Columbus, OH area the BG pulls up to the drive in window pulls a gun and demands money. The way to stop it have a gun at the register. BG's will take the hint and it will stop.

Juna
June 19, 2007, 10:45 AM
Well done, kid. I used to live near there, and I've probably been to that Arby's. Way to keep the neighborhood safe.

MrRezister
June 19, 2007, 11:00 AM
Damn, another senseless gun crime for the Bradys to add to their statistics....

S.P.E.C.T.R.E.
June 19, 2007, 11:03 AM
What scares me about this story is that because his mother wasn't armed, he was forced to wrestle the gun away from the carjacker, which was extremely risky.

robert garner
June 19, 2007, 11:18 AM
Paranioa strikes me! The PoPo is not expressing regrets at not persecuting the young'un.
He is merely ID ing an appropriate use of force.
As in "C here y'all, that's a way to do 'er!"
LoL
robert

Roccobro
June 19, 2007, 04:21 PM
I'm in for a $10 spot. I'd like to get the young mans name and even get him to read this thread and others* too.

Justin

(*there are ALWAYS duplicate threads when good like this happens!)

waterhouse
June 19, 2007, 04:42 PM
Well, you know what they say . . . it is dangerous to try to carjack with a gun because the victim will just take the gun away and use it against you.

fletcher
June 19, 2007, 05:33 PM
Great story - glad to see that there's no typical "Police Chief: We don't recommend that you resist if being robbed." statement in there.

jselvy
June 19, 2007, 05:49 PM
We could set up a foundation. Have a quarterly "Molon Labe" award for youth conduct above and beyond the expectations of the old grouches of THR.

Jefferson

JLStorm
June 19, 2007, 05:54 PM
Great story - glad to see that there's no typical "Police Chief: We don't recommend that you resist if being robbed." statement in there.

I hate to burst your bubble but:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19312164/

...While acknowledging the gamble succeeded, authorities stressed that it’s safer to cooperate in such a case.

“Give them the money and give them the keys,” Sheriff Harry Lee said. “You make an insurance payment on your car, and nobody gets shot.”

Henry Bowman
June 19, 2007, 06:39 PM
A would-be carjacker found himself on the receiving end of several bullets after one of his intended victims successfully wrestled away the gun and shot him, all in the drive-thru line of a Metairie fast food restaurant.Someone should tell these thieves that they shouldn't carry guns because they are more likely to be taken away and use on them by their intended victims.

yhtomit
June 19, 2007, 06:41 PM
eric_t12 wrote:
"I would love to start this, and i would personally donate 10 dollars.

However, we would need to know more information.

Statutes on gifts for firearms, age limits for ownership, contact information for him, and such."

A gun for him is a great idea! But I agree with Eric, it must be done properly.

I have an idea: why not have a gun inscribed appropriately to (and given to) his mother? She'd be free to gift it to him if she desired, and surely would eventually if not immediately.

"To commemorate your son's bravery on June 18, 2007. Sic semper carjackae."


If she kept it for more than a few years, that would make him buy his own anyhow, which isn't a bad thing :)

I'd be in for $5 (sorry, poor student and in debt.) Let's make this work!

timothy

camslam
June 19, 2007, 07:34 PM
When will we read the follow up story about how some scum bag lawyer is helping the criminal sue the 17 year old and his mother for injuring him.

I'm sure the argument will go something like this, "If their car hadn't been there and been accessible, my client would not have had the motivation to attempt to obtain items from them."

Our country and its justice system are in serious need of some help!

Way to go kid, we need more people standing up to this kind of crap.

jselvy
June 19, 2007, 07:39 PM
Sic semper carjackae Is that conjugated correctly? It sure doesn't look right.

Jefferson

yhtomit
June 19, 2007, 07:54 PM
'Sic semper carjackae'
Is that conjugated correctly? It sure doesn't look right.

Sorry, my conjugatin' is mostly hypothetical. I defer to those who made better Latin grades than I did in 6th grade ;)

timothy

Grey54956
June 19, 2007, 09:21 PM
Hmmm...

Give them the money and give them the keys... then hope they don't shoot you anyways... then make an insurance payment on your car... and watch you premium go up... and nobody gets shot... unless they actually do shoot you anyways, in which case the PD will conduct a half-@$$ed investigation and will eventually drop the case.

Thank you, no, I think this young man did the right thing. Too bad his aim wasn't a little better.

Elza
June 19, 2007, 09:25 PM
MEH: Why would anyone even think of this being a possibility!

California, Illinois, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, D.C.

jaholder1971
June 19, 2007, 11:47 PM
All,

I respectfully submit that there are other thing s a 17 year old needs right now more than a gun.

First, you're making a big assumption that this kid's into guns and his parents would allow him to have one even before this happened. Remember that this kid has shot someone and may be dealing with the trauma of being a victim of a violent crime. Gun ownership may be something he's not interested in, now or ever.

He and his family will, in all likelihood, have to deal with a possible lawsuit over defending himself and his mother. There's going to be some dirtbag lawyer go after them with some BS that there was no reason to shoot the poor carjacker after he was disarmed.

Suggestion: Take donations and set up a defense/scholarship fund for the kid. Use the money to protect him and his family from a lawsuit and anything left over let him use for school. Educate him now and let him decide when to arm himself.


Jon

Aguila Blanca
June 19, 2007, 11:59 PM
'Sic semper carjackae'
Is that conjugated correctly? It sure doesn't look right.
Sorry, my conjugatin' is mostly hypothetical. I defer to those who made better Latin grades than I did in 6th grade
Actually, although I had only two years of Latin waaaaaaaay back in high school, I don't think it's conjugated at all, because I don't think it has a verb.

"Sic" means "thus" (as in "Sic transit gloria mundi")
"Semper" means "always" (as in the USMC "Semper Fidelis")
And "carjackae" appears to be the feminine plural of the singular noun for "carjacker"

Perhaps a more complete phony Latin phrase would be "Sic transit [or is it "transtulit?] carjackii" ("Thus passeth carjackers")

RevolvingCylinder
June 20, 2007, 12:07 AM
Well what really shocks me is that with the statement about how "the young man would not be charged" is that it implies it is normal to charge someone involved in a self defense case. That really tells us a lot about our society and what is happening.

Some people on THR would want victims to be charged because "no minor should have unsupervised access to firearms". A carjacking is not proper supervision nor is it a "sporting purpose/event" as such laws usually require.
In CA the dad would be in big trouble for leaving a gun where a minor could get to it. I'm not a fan of allowing young people to have unsupervised access to firearms.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=283783

silverlance
June 20, 2007, 02:16 AM
IM IN TOO.

oh, i hope they didnt lose too much hearing.. i sure as heck would not want to fire a gun even ONCE inside a car.

yongxingfreesty
June 20, 2007, 02:34 AM
kid has done well. A+

jakemccoy
June 23, 2007, 04:38 PM
Congratulations to the kid on a job well done. We're all so happy for the kid, his mom and good guys generally.

However, many of us have failed to recognize that, given these facts, the kid's actions are unadvisable to an "average person". An average person should have gotten out of the car and let the guy have the car. It's just property that car jackers want. Otherwise, they'd shoot immediately. This particular car jacker was clearly not experienced with the tactical use of handguns. I'm unwilling to bet another person's life that all carjackers are as lame as this particular criminal.

Out of 10 times of this crime happening, what do you think the outcome would be? I'm guessing 7 out of 10 times, the resister (kid in this case) will get shot. Make up your own odds and imagine betting a loved one's life on those odds.

This car jacker was 44. There are plenty of car jackers who are around 21, straight-up athletes, quick as cats and strapped with 9's. We should be prepared for the latter.

This ain't the movies or a video game, folks. You don't get more lives.

(If the kid were armed beforehand, my thoughts would be different.)

Gaiudo
June 23, 2007, 06:01 PM
Sorry Jakemccoy, I call BS.

How do you know all he wanted was the car and the money? Or is this gonna be another Kelsey Smith? Her killer didn't "shoot immediately", so I guess he just wanted the car, right?

Dead wrong. My advise is, especially to women, NEVER let them control you, NEVER let them get into the car with you, NEVER let them take you anywhere. Fight and keep fighting. Too many people become statistics because they trust their assailants to keep their word. Even if all he wanted was the car and money, how do you know he's not going to shoot them to avoid witnesses?

Your kind of attitude is exactly why people end up dead.

jakemccoy
June 23, 2007, 09:16 PM
^Really? The kid in this case is exceptional. He, by no means, is an example of what all people are capable of. Further, the criminal is uncommonly lame. Accordingly, we have a fact pattern that should not be used as a universal example of what to do.

Read the facts again. You went off on some hypotheticals (NEVER...) that have little to do with this particular scenario. Start another thread if you want a different scenario. In this case, the criminal said that he wanted the car and money; then he proceeded to pull the woman out of the car after she refused. She should not have refused to exit the car if she was not prepared to counter his threat with force that would stop him. She opted to put her son's life on the line as well as hers. A criminal interested in doing harm to the individuals would have found a way into the back seat and forced them to drive away, or he would have shot somebody for not cooperating.

You can call my analysis BS if you want. My instincts tell me that most people on this thread are choosing the "hero in the movie" option instead of the "just trying to stay alive" option. Being an Internet hero is one thing. Betting your life on the probable outcome is another.

Gaiudo
June 24, 2007, 02:20 AM
My problem with your "method" of dealing with similar scenarios is that it appears that modern society is all too ready to follow your advice, in any and all circumstances. And people die because of it.

If more people were taught to react like this kid, in general, we would have less of the "Kelsey Smith" kind of results. Surely you aren't suggesting that our children are being taught to be too aggressive, and to respond with force when necessary? The classrooms in VT certainly come to mind.

jakemccoy
June 24, 2007, 03:45 AM
^ I undersand your concern, and I don't want folks to be passive either. At the same time, I would not generally advise people to do all the things that are within my capabilities. I don't think I'm a good example. I don't think this kid is a good example.

I'm suggesting that all people should be armed beforehand (gun, knife, pepper spray, etc.). If not, use the best tactical approach to stay alive. These folks were unarmed apparently. In this case, the mother made an irresponsible decision given that she was not prepared to counter the gunman herself. She thereby gambled with her son's life. I believe that we don't have the moral right to gamble other people's lives, unless absolutely necessary. In this case, gambling her son's life was unnecessary. She gambled to save her car and money. The son had little choice but to risk his own life to help his mother. That gun shot that went off in the car could have more easily found its way to the kid's torso. Thus, I’m scrutinizing the mother more than the son.

Yeah, I’m playing armchair quarterback, but that’s why these forums are here. The more we think through scenarios beforehand, the better.

VT was a completely different scenario. The tactical differences are too numerous to try to mention briefly. Let's not go there.

Gaiudo
June 24, 2007, 02:19 PM
The VT is mentionable from one point only, and its not tactical:

The mentality of acting, surviving, fighting, doing whatever it takes, needs to be returned to our culture. I didn't bring up VT because of its tactical nature, but because of the mentality of the people involved. I could have as easily mentioned the man in the news here this winter who ran to dial 9-1-1 after his brother fell through the ice, rather than having the intestinal fortitude to do something about the situation himself.

jakemccoy
June 25, 2007, 01:06 AM
^ From a bigger picture perspective, I see your point, and I agree.

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