A person is trying to trade me a ruger ruger p95 for my .40 Sigma


June 18, 2007, 08:51 PM
Is this a good deal or should I laugh at them? I havent been able to find that many reviews online about the p95, so I was hoping you guys could help shed some light on the situation. :)

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June 18, 2007, 09:03 PM
Well, it depends on what condition the P95 is in, if it's in particularly good condition, preferably with a fairly low round count.. then yes absolutely. That is , IF it works properly. You'd have to gauge his motivations for trading obviously. I would suggest that if its possible you should go to a range with this person. You should shoot a couple mags with the gun to make sure it's feeding properly and hitting the point of aim. Offer the person the same deal with your gun. The ruger P95, though not one my favorites in aesthetics or ergonomics, is however a much better gun than a sigma IMHO. Personally, I consider the sigma to be one of the worst autoloaders currently produced in the US. I hear nothing but problems with them, and those triggers.. ugh. Then again, that's just my opinion. To be fair, I am completely predisposed to disliking any DAO gun. ( yes I know its really a striker, and not really a dao .. but that trigger is certainly a dao feel )

Rugers are typically great guns. Ugly and bulky guns, yes, but built like tanks.

June 18, 2007, 10:09 PM
Both guns could be valued as pretty much the same, a used Sigma and a used P95 are very easy to find for under around or under $300.

Check out gunbroker.com and see what people are selling and buying these guns for.

IMHO I had a first gen Sigma and didn't care for it at all, I traded it in on a Glock 22 and was much much happier. I have a friend who owns a P95 and he really likes it, personally Ruger autos have never struck my fancy.

I would say that if you like the Ruger and he likes the Sigma you're pretty much getting an even trade money-wise. Quality-wise I would trust my life to the Ruger over the Sigma in a life or death situation.

Good luck with your decision and don't laugh at your friend he's not trying to rip you off I don't think. You will find on here there are a lot of mixed feelings about Sigmas, you might be better off with the Ruger.

June 18, 2007, 10:12 PM
Indeed. Money wise they are about equal used. Having owned a .40 Sigma and several Pseries pistols I can say that in my opinion the Ruger is the better quality gun. It will likely be more accurate than the Sigma as well. By going from .40 to 9mm you will save a good bit in the long run on ammo as well.

June 18, 2007, 10:28 PM
Having just shot my first Sigma (40VE) today, I must say I was pleasantly surprised. The trigger is heavy, but no worse than say a Glock with the 8lb "New York" trigger other than the longer reset. I found it accurate on the steel plates, although a little slow because of the long reset. It feels good in my hand, unlike any of the Ruger centerfire autos. Add to the fact I don't like DA/SA guns, I'd stand pat with the Sigma if yours is reliable, otherwise you may be trading a good gun for a problem child unless you can shoot it first to be sure.

You can buy a new Sigma in 9mm and get two free mags and a range bag from S&W if you do it before July 15th, 2007. Sigmas run <$300 new around here. If you shoot enough, the cheaper 9mm practice ammo will pay for the gun rather quickly compared to .40S&W practice ammo costs for the same volume of shooting.


June 18, 2007, 10:28 PM
I would trade about any .40 for any 9mm...anyway you see my opinion of on the .40. But I agree wth the above.. The Ruger probably is the better gun. And they are very reliable.

June 18, 2007, 10:36 PM
I had a Sigma. I would have traded it for a whole lot less than that. I've had guns with quirks, but that is the only one I TRULY regret buying.

June 18, 2007, 10:38 PM
Indeed. I sold my Sigma .40 for $200.00 and was glad to get that. Went out and bought a Ruger 22/45 with it.

Nomad, 2nd
June 18, 2007, 10:43 PM
I'm not a fan of Ruger Semi's (Due to the way they feel) but they work, and are a WHOLE lot better than a Sigma...


June 18, 2007, 10:45 PM
If you want a 9mm and have a chance to try the gun out at the range it sounds like a fair trade. 9mm practice ammo is definitely cheaper.

Every Ruger I have ever handled has been built like a brick outhouse. I will admit I have not handled one of their centerfire autoloaders but from their rimfires autoloaders and various single and double action revolvers I would say that quality has been top notch.

June 19, 2007, 12:14 AM
The only thing that i am questioning is the fact that I have shot less than 200 rounds through mine...but I have no idea how many he has put through his. Is it true then that if I can learn to shoot well with this then just about any other gun with a shorter pull I should be able to own on?

June 19, 2007, 12:17 AM
If the P95 works fine, I'd do the trade.

June 19, 2007, 12:20 AM
I say just sell the sigma, add a little more money and buy something you'll really like

June 19, 2007, 12:37 AM
I would trade it .. Look the gun over and make sure it looks alright .. The Ruger is going to be much more pleasant to shoot .. I have shot both and I would choose the Ruger over the Sigma any day

June 19, 2007, 02:18 AM
Take the Ruger and don't look back.

June 19, 2007, 08:36 AM
bhhacker, I have well over 3000 rounds through my Glock 17 and it shows almost no wear. My Ruger Blackhawk also has somewhere in the 3000+ range, with some pretty heavy loads in there. I would say they are easily as good as the day I bought them...well actually they are probably a little better. Those round counts are pretty low as I am sure many forum members have 10x that many through their guns.

A quality firearm isn't going to be affected by range count a whole lot, especially not a beast like the P95 shooting 9mm.

The biggest decision maker should be 1) which fits your hand better and 2) which has a better trigger for you.

Good luck!

lee n. field
June 19, 2007, 08:48 AM
Is this a good deal or should I laugh at them?

One short word: do it.

I don't own either, but I hear much better things about the Ruger.

June 19, 2007, 08:49 AM
Do It! Quickly!

June 19, 2007, 08:54 AM
Assuming the Ruger is in decent shape, you're coming out on the better end of that deal... mostly.

That's a case of trading the gun hardly anybody wants for the gun that a lot of people settle for.

I'm no fan of Ruger centerfire autos, but I'll take one to a Sigma any day. I'd probably take even a P85 in preference to a Sigma.

The Sigma is to the Glock what "Treasure of the Four Crowns" is to "Raiders of the Lost Ark"...

June 19, 2007, 08:56 AM
I say just sell the sigma, add a little more money and buy something you'll really like


CDNN always has great deals on police trade-in Glocks in excellent working condition.

June 19, 2007, 07:44 PM
I carry my 40Ve whenever I want a reliable, solid, decently accurate (not match), inexpensive, ergonomic 14+1 round pistol.

Hey wait, it is in my back pocket right now!

The VE slide is thinner than the P95.

June 19, 2007, 09:47 PM
Speaking as a FFL and owner of both a various times. The Ruger owner is trading down for the Stigma.

June 19, 2007, 11:32 PM
The Ruger owner is trading down for the Sigma.

If the ruger is in good condition then hotpig is layin down the truth.

June 20, 2007, 02:53 AM
I'm a advid S&W collector and I would have done that deal in a second !

June 20, 2007, 03:20 AM
The only reason not to do this is guilt. You might feel bad for taking the gentleman's perfectly good gun.


June 20, 2007, 03:22 AM
That said, I agree that just selling the Sigma, probably for a loss, and just buying what you want is probably the best course of action. Unless, of course, you really like the Ruger. Then have at it.


June 20, 2007, 08:12 AM
Is the Sigma a plastic gun? I hate polymer frames myself. Now if it was a P89.......

June 20, 2007, 01:26 PM
Yes, the Sigma was S&W first foray into the polymer gun market. When they first came out they were terrible. The ones being produced now are servicable, but are nothing special. They're bad enough that they're tarnishing the reputation of the S&W99 and M&P, even though the three designs have almost nothing in common.


June 20, 2007, 08:36 PM
Have shot both of those guns, prefer the P95. As has been said, the Sigma has a terrible trigger. The P95 is polymer also, however seems to be better IMO. I have a P89 now and love it to death.

Built like a brick *#%@house.


June 21, 2007, 12:27 PM
Make the trade for the P95 and even offer to take the 9MM ammo.
Ruger P95 is a solid firearm and will remain so long after the Sigma is worn out

June 21, 2007, 08:04 PM
In my opinion i think if you get the Ruger you will make out with a great deal. I personally can not stand the S&W sigma series. I had one and thought it was complete junk. This is just my experience. I am not dogging anyone who likes them. I just think they are not very good shooter's nor have a good feel to them. Why i bought it, I do not know. The Ruger P95 on the other hand is a great gun. I love the feel and the way it shoot's. I think it is one of the most reliable and durable gun's I have ever owned. I would trade two sigmas for one Ruger in a heartbeat. The heavy trigger on that gun and the fact that Glock sued them just turns me off.

Is this a good deal or should I laugh at them?
You should seriously take this deal. Or you will not be laughing later.

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