Leupold Warning


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Ruger Redhawk
June 20, 2007, 06:11 PM
I received this from a buddy of mine who owns a gun shop back home.


Counterfeit Leupold Riflescope Warning
Leupold® is issuing a customer alert to purchasers of products, particularly via Internet sales, in regards to bogus Leupold products that are apparently being illegally imported from the People’s Republic of China. These products bear many of the marks and trade dress of current Leupold & Stevens riflescopes making them very hard to distinguish externally from authentic Leupold products.
In recent months, counterfeited Leupold Mark 4® riflescopes have begun to arrive with increasing regularity at the firm’s Beaverton, Oregon, headquarters for service. These products are not manufactured by Leupold and are not covered by the Leupold Full Lifetime Guarantee.
Leupold employs serial number tracking for all its riflescopes, so if a customer finds a scope that is suspect, he or she can simply write down the serial number and call 1-800-LEUPOLD to confirm if it is indeed authentic.
In general, most of the scopes appear to originate from Hong Kong (People’s Republic of China), and have “Leupold Mark 4” laser engraved on the bottom of the turret in a silver etch, while the black ring on the objective is etched in white and does not include the name “Leupold.” The scopes also do not bear the Leupold medallion, a mark all Leupold scopes will always possess. An authentic Mark 4 riflescope will always be engraved black on black and have the name “Leupold” engraved on the black ring.
Identifying Marks
· Adjustments
· Objective
· Bottom of Turret

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Gewehr98
June 20, 2007, 08:08 PM
Hopefully the Chinese counterfeiters aren't reading this, and learning what else they have to add to the faux scopes to pass them off easier... :scrutiny:

Outlaws
June 20, 2007, 08:10 PM
There was a thread or two a while back on here about them.

taliv
June 20, 2007, 11:40 PM
sucks. i'll ad to it. i've personally seen fake Knights Armament AR15 rail systems and fake aimpoints. both were indistinguishable from the real products from the outside. the quality of the glass and red dot inside the aimpoint knockoff would be obvious to someone familiar with real ones, but a n00b would never know.

Eightball
June 21, 2007, 12:50 AM
You could just bypass the whole thing by buying straigt from the source.....

That being said, I'll make sure that warning gets posted around the FFL where I work. Thanks for the warning--I, being low on the rungs of the ladder, haven't seen something like this yet, but at least want to make people aware of it to the best of my abilities.

kcmarine
June 21, 2007, 12:53 AM
Communism, mass production methods, consumer electronics, firearms and accessories... do the Chinese ever design their own things?

Spiggy
June 21, 2007, 02:37 AM
they tried and it came out looking like this

http://world.guns.ru/assault/type95-1.jpg

foghornl
June 21, 2007, 10:12 AM
There will always be someone [or some country] out to make a cheap (And I DO mean low-quality CHEAP, not inexpensive) knockoff of the good name & product of someone else.

Anyone else remember waaaaaayyyyy back when 'transistor portable radios' first became popular? Story was... "US Builds Something, Soviet Bloc claims they made it first, Japan brings out a minatureized transistor version."

Now, back to your Regularly Scheduled Thread....

Thanks for the alert. As popular as the Leupold optics are, sooner or later somebody had to try a knockoff to make a few bucks of Loopy's reputation

slylikea_fox
June 21, 2007, 01:42 PM
I've heard before from a very reputable source that the glass in a real Leupold was made in china anyways. Has anyone else noticed in the last couple of years that the scopes don't say made in the USA and more on the bottom???? Maybe these knock offs are made in the same factory as the real ones, wouldn't that be funny.

azhunter12
June 21, 2007, 05:13 PM
do the Chinese ever design their own things?

Nope.

Gewehr98
June 21, 2007, 06:48 PM
It's considerably less costly in the R&D world to copy an existing design than to start from scratch, be it the Soviet Tupelov Tu-4 bomber (aka Boeing B-29), or the Chinese Norinco AR-15/M16 currently being imported into Canada. Let the Americans do all the R&D. ;)

http://mauser98.com/dscn2538.jpg

http://mauser98.com/dscn2539.jpg

fgr39
June 21, 2007, 06:58 PM
looks like someone rolled a ribbed condom over the handguards

Thin Black Line
June 21, 2007, 07:22 PM
looks like someone rolled a ribbed condom over the handguards

Somewhere there's a porn* unprotected right now.

huntinstuff
June 21, 2007, 09:36 PM
We had some guys selling those rip off Leupolds on Canadian Gunnutz and guys were buying them hours after the post.....I can't figure it out. I'd rather buy something made in the USA for 3 times the price than something similar looking from the East......

Maybe I should move to Wyoming. I think I'd fit in there. Montana for sure.

glimmerman
June 22, 2007, 10:31 AM
I have a couple of the leupold copys from china and YES they are made in the same factory as the usa leupold scopes. Leupold has them made in china and imported here. Thats why they no longer say made in usa on them. The 2 i have are excellent quality and hold a zero on my .300 win mag and my HK91 and will walk a perfect square back to zero every time. I have a couple of the older leupold made in usa scopes and the optics are no better than the one's from china (probobly made there for the last 10yrs anyway). I know it sucks that everything is being made there now and taking jobs away from us but i think we need to get a clue and realize we are being outmanuvered here in the states and if we dont start doing something about it soon china is going to be the new world superpower and we are going to be in a world of S*#T!!!!!

scubie02
June 22, 2007, 10:48 AM
well, if this is true, I guess I'll have to start thinking about which Japanese scope to buy. Although I do have a couple of spare scopes laying around at the moment--all the damned manufacturers I used to buy keep letting me down *sigh*. I used to like Burris when they had the original Fullfield's/Signature's, then they had to get bought by Beretta and went to the FF II's, so I switched to Leupold, now they are Chinese--might as well go back to the Tasco World Class and save a couple bucks...

slylikea_fox
June 22, 2007, 10:56 AM
Thankyou Glimmerman for posting that. I can't wait to hear some of the comments this brings up. I'm sure there are plenty who won't believe this though.

10MMGary
June 22, 2007, 03:37 PM
I have a couple of the leupold copys from china and YES they are made in the same factory as the usa leupold scopes. Leupold has them made in china and imported here. Thats why they no longer say made in usa on them. The 2 i have are excellent quality and hold a zero on my .300 win mag and my HK91 and will walk a perfect square back to zero every time. I have a couple of the older leupold made in usa scopes and the optics are no better than the one's from china (probobly made there for the last 10yrs anyway). I know it sucks that everything is being made there now and taking jobs away from us but i think we need to get a clue and realize we are being outmanuvered here in the states and if we dont start doing something about it soon china is going to be the new world superpower and we are going to be in a world of S*#T!!!!!

Perhaps I am either misreading or reading something into your post and if so I apologize. Additionally I don't doubt that you do posses these illegal copies/counterfeits or that they are indeed made at the same facilities. What I don't understand is why you would admit it publicly and then go on to act as if your are worried about the future of American workers/manufacturers. Do you possess them as part of some type of investigation or the like or did you just recently discover that they were illegal copies and have not yet turned them over to the proper authorities? Again if I have misunderstood the intent of the post I apologize.

glimmerman
June 22, 2007, 04:21 PM
they are not illegal copies, they are made in the same factory as the leupold scopes you buy here at any gun shop. They were sent to me as "samples" from a person in china. I myself did not believe they were the same as the supposed usa leupolds until i recieved these.

Thin Black Line
June 22, 2007, 05:00 PM
I know it sucks that everything is being made there now and taking jobs away from us but i think we need to get a clue and realize we are being outmanuvered here in the states and if we dont start doing something about it soon china is going to be the new world superpower and we are going to be in a world of S*#T!!!!!

I'd like to start an American riflescope company to "compete" with the ones
in China.

Starting wage is $4/hr and health insurance will be provided by Medicaid.
Please PM me if interested.... :rolleyes:

Hmmm, better yet, I should be advertising this in Spanish and then after my
company has been up and running for a few months, do an IPO, then move it
to china and get a tax break from the feds for doing it. I can then sell
it to a foreign investment firm, but it will still have an "American" name. ;)

BTW, I own one of the "old" USA made mil-dots.

scubie02
June 23, 2007, 10:10 PM
How recent of a switch is this? I have several Leupolds bought in the last couple of years, and they all say made in USA on them.

I emailed Leupold a few days ago to ask about this when I saw the thread--the silence has been deafening--no response

Outlaws
June 23, 2007, 10:20 PM
I have a couple of the leupold copys from china and YES they are made in the same factory as the usa leupold scopes. Leupold has them made in china and imported here. Thats why they no longer say made in usa on them. The 2 i have are excellent quality and hold a zero on my .300 win mag and my HK91 and will walk a perfect square back to zero every time. I have a couple of the older leupold made in usa scopes and the optics are no better than the one's from china (probobly made there for the last 10yrs anyway). I know it sucks that everything is being made there now and taking jobs away from us but i think we need to get a clue and realize we are being outmanuvered here in the states and if we dont start doing something about it soon china is going to be the new world superpower and we are going to be in a world of S*#T!!!!!

What a troll. Please provide proof. I bought mine last summer and the box still says Made in the USA.

Lucky
June 23, 2007, 10:39 PM
What a troll. Please provide proof. I bought mine last summer and the box still says Made in the USA.

Holy **** the USA still produces their own cardboard boxes?

:D

But yea without any evidence, it's not smart to believe anything. When someone takes a pic of their Old Leupy, with 'USA' stamped in the housing, and their New Leupy, without that stamp - THEN Glimmer might be believed.



However, just subjective here, but they sell Leupolds at Walmart for reasonable prices... That's not a good sign.

YodaVader
June 24, 2007, 08:50 AM
I've heard before from a very reputable source that the glass in a real Leupold was made in china anyways.

In the late 90s I was ready to buy my first Leupold rifle scope. Sinclair Int. , (which caters to the benchrest crowd) had an open box Vari-XIII marked down low enough for me to consider buying.

The guy working the counter , was saying how he thought the Burris Signature was a better choice and had all of its components made here in the US. I told him that was true of Leupold too. He said the lenses in the Leupolds were imported. :scrutiny:

So being skeptical I made the call to Leupold to find out if the Sinclair guy was getting the facts straight or blowing smoke. The Leupold representative I spoke with confirmed they did indeed import their lenses although he did not specifically name a country.
This was around 1998. I ended up buying the scope anyway and it has been the best rifle scope I have ever owned.

Gewehr98
June 24, 2007, 01:06 PM
Does that make Glimmerman a troll, Outlaws? :scrutiny:

(With the ad-hominem attack out in plain view, this thread probably needs some moderator intervention right about now, I'd wager)

Outlaws
June 24, 2007, 01:10 PM
Does that make Glimmerman a troll, Outlaws?

Yes.

they are made in the same factory as the usa leupold scopes. Leupold has them made in china and imported here. Thats why they no longer say made in usa on them.

scubie02
June 24, 2007, 10:27 PM
ok, straight from the horses mouth (reply from Leupold)

"All of our rifle scopes are built and assembled right here in
Beaverton, Oregon, by American workers. Because of the sheer volume of optical glass we require, however, we are forced to source that from different
places all over the world, whether it be in the U.S., Asia, or Europe.
There is currently no American glass manufacturer that can exclusively supply our needs for quality, sophistication of coating, and quantity. None of our rifle scopes are produced in China.

scubie02
June 24, 2007, 10:29 PM
honestly, glass from Japan or Germany doesn't bother me, as long as the quality is there--some excellent glass from those countries

zinj
June 24, 2007, 11:08 PM
Sorry about the hijack...

It's considerably less costly in the R&D world to copy an existing design than to start from scratch, be it the Soviet Tupelov Tu-4 bomber (aka Boeing B-29), or the Chinese Norinco AR-15/M16 currently being imported into Canada. Let the Americans do all the R&D.

Is it just me, or does the grip on that rifle look like it came off a revolver?

Lucky
June 25, 2007, 01:03 AM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y149/54919391/ARs/th_N311yB.jpg (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y149/54919391/ARs/N311yB.jpg)

Mine doesn't look like that.

CD0311
June 25, 2007, 03:38 AM
So just buy a US Optics, and you know they are USA made. They have much better options anyway. They won't have a "cheapo" copy because there is no middle man to go through. You buy from them.

jeepmor
June 25, 2007, 04:23 AM
I like my Leupold, I'll have to check it out more closely to see if it's genuine. I did buy it from a reputable shop, and I do live in just West of Beaverton. Hmm, i guess if I have a cheap copy or I can't tell, I'll take it to their offices and report back. Optics are real good on this scope, I'd guess I have a good one.

I know it sucks that everything is being made there now and taking jobs away from us but i think we need to get a clue and realize we are being outmanuvered here in the states and if we dont start doing something about it soon china is going to be the new world superpower and we are going to be in a world of S*#T!!!!!

Immigration issues, Iraq, health care system. America is all ready in a world of S**T!. And are politicians are contributing to the problem for their own gains, and not doing anything about it.

Gewehr98
June 25, 2007, 04:15 PM
The critical part of the scope comes from China, with final assembly in Oregon. So, technically, they can still say "Made in the USA", save for their Wind River models.

Call me a troll, but that should really say "Assembled in USA", just like Browning had BAR rifles "Made in Belgium, assembled in Portugal".

(The late, great Gale McMillan clued me in on Leupold's outsourcing of optics several years ago, btw...)

slylikea_fox
June 25, 2007, 07:01 PM
Many are still missing the fact that when you look on the bottom of the scope it use to say Made in the USA. Why did they stop that can somebody shoot them an e-mail about that, this stopped around two years ago if i remember correctly from my source he did work with Leupolds every day.

Frog48
June 25, 2007, 07:58 PM
Because of the sheer volume of optical glass we require, however, we are forced to source that from different
places all over the world, whether it be in the U.S., Asia, or Europe... None of our rifle scopes are produced in China.

So the scope, as a complete unit, may not be made in China, but they never specified that the optical glass isnt made in China. Looks like they tried to sidestep the question.

scubie02
June 25, 2007, 08:01 PM
well, I guess that I am fortunate in that at this point I have a few spare scopes hanging around, so I won't have to buy any bastardized scopes or make hard decisions

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