Help pax find a new primary sig!


December 25, 2002, 01:50 AM
Hey all,

Fresh board, fresh start.

For years, my primary sig has been "Is there anything wrong with a woman preferring the dignity of an armed citizen? I don't like to be coddled and I don't like to be treated like a minor child. So I waive immunity and claim my right -- I go armed." -- Longcourt Phyllis in Beyond This Horizon by Robert Heinlein
It's still a good sig quote, especially since everyone who knows me personally will tell you that this quote pretty well sums up my whole outlook on life: I don't like to be coddled, condescended to, or treated like a child. :)

Problem is, it's getting old. I've kept it so long, only because I have such fun rotating new sigs into its place that I don't have to stare at it too often. And I'll continue to do that, even after I get a new one.

Here's the deal though. I really need a new primary sig!

I've rummaged through my quotes file (389 pages and growing) and haven't found anything I dearly love. Got lots of cool quotes, but nothing that's perfect.

So ... anyone got the perfect, firearms-related sig for me?

1) It's got to be a quote. (Not just a cute saying.)

2) It's got to be a real quote. (You don't have to verify accuracy, but if it sounds bogus, it probably is.)

3) It's got to be a real, firearms-related quote. (PM me if you find others that are non firearms related -- I really love adding to the file.)

4) It's got to be ... ME. If the quote doesn't fit me, I won't be happy with it for long.

Ready? GO!


When a thing has been said and said well, have no scruples. Take it and copy it. -- Mark Twain

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December 25, 2002, 01:52 AM
That is a pretty tall order and will take some time. The SIg you have is pretty hard to beat!

December 25, 2002, 01:56 AM

You're welcome to use mine. :D

December 25, 2002, 02:00 AM
Well, this one fits my personal philosophy:

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.

Thomas Jefferson to Archibald Stuart, 1791 has a great library of quotes, but their web site is down right now.

Calamity Jane
December 25, 2002, 02:02 AM
Pax, I don't have a suggestion for a specific quote, but I can give you more quotes to rummage through. :D Following is the Mother of All Freedom-Oriented Quote Lists, or something close to it:

There are 1038 quotes there - maybe one's just right for you!

December 25, 2002, 03:48 AM
Oh. One of THOSE questions....

Like "which shoes should I get"?

Guys, don't go there . Only SHE can make the right choice.;)

Teasing aside, pax; good luck; and wear what feels comfortable to YOU.:D

December 25, 2002, 03:55 AM
I've got to second the words of Path.. Why change a good thing?:)

December 25, 2002, 01:32 PM
Actually, pax, I liked your continually changing sig lines.

Some posters have long essays that I never read. Some have classics that I read a few times then never "see" again because they become invisible due to their constant repetition.

But in a recent thread you were heavily involved in, I noticed that the sigs kept changing, and I found myself compelled to keep right on reading after your post was signed off.

Sigs aren't my style, but some do them very well while others just take up bandwidth....

December 25, 2002, 02:12 PM

I'm not surprised you like that one! It also fits my philosophy, for the most part. :)

It's not quite 'it' for me, but it's close.

Btw, I've always liked your user name, and the namesake you chose, too. Everyone wants to live at the expense of the State. They forget that the State lives at the expense of everyone. – Frédéric Bastiat
Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place. What, then, is law? It is the collective organization of the individual right to lawful defense. -- Frédéric Bastiat
Lots of Bastiat info available on the web, including his most useful little booklet, The Law. Find it at


Thanks for the link. I think I've mined that one before, but need to read through it again.

I like quotes pages, but get more excited about finding one "in the wild." If you know what I mean.


Don't be like that! Look, these ones are adorable, don't you think? Or are the ones over there better? What do you mean, you're done shopping now? We only just got started! ;)


Thanks for the kind words. I'll keep rotating new ones in, of course. I'm just looking for a new default sig, to use when I don't have time to hunt down an appropriate topical quote.


More ideas, anyone? Please?


He wrapped himself in quotations - as a beggar would enfold himself in the purple of Emperors. -- Rudyard Kipling

2nd Amendment
December 25, 2002, 02:30 PM
I'd love to change quotes regularly but who has the time? it's a pain. It's a shame, too, that the quotes in previous posts change with the newest post. Would be interesting to follow someones sig line path over time.

December 25, 2002, 02:34 PM

My default sig is the one the board has. But I don't usually use it; usually I just paste a final quote into the body of the message. Done that way, it doesn't change old posts when the user settings are changed.


She had a pretty gift for quotation, which is a serviceable substitute for wit. -- W. Somerset Maugham

December 25, 2002, 02:41 PM
She had a pretty gift for quotation, which is a serviceable substitute for wit. -- W. Somerset Maugham See what I mean? That's perfect and perfectly appropriate! I'm still laughing! :D

2nd Amendment
December 25, 2002, 03:34 PM
I was noticing elsewhere that the quotes stayed the same even as newer ones came up. Took it a minute to sink in what was going on. Too much eggnog or something, I suppose. :D That or I'm just dumb, which is always a distinct possibility.

December 25, 2002, 05:10 PM
Hey pax, here's one you might be able to use sometime:

Nowhere before did ever meet,
Sweetness so sad, sadness so sweet.,

It's by John Updike in his novel Rabbit Run. I know John Updike is the author, but I'm not positive about the book. I read that about 40 years ago in college and was really taken by it in the context of the book. I figured he was quoting somebody, so I spent a bunch of time tracking it down -- to him!

Anyway, it's been my favorite couplet all this time, and I've never found an appropriate use for it. Meanwhile, that side of my brain has atrophied so I doubt I'll ever be able to give it a good home like I'm sure you can. :)

El Tejon
December 25, 2002, 08:24 PM
El Tejon blurry with wine and on a protein high from excess turkey:

"Arguments of policy must give way to constitutional command." Payton v. New York, 445 U.S. 573, 602 (1980).

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered the palladium of the liberties of a republic." 2 JOSEPH STORY, COMMENTARIES ON THE CONSTITUTION 620 (Boston, Little, Brown & Co. 1873) (first published in 1833).

"[I]t is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them . . ." ROBERT LEE, ADDITIONAL LETTERS FROM THE FEDERAL FARMER 170 (New York, T. Greenleaf 1788).

"Tyrants have never placed any confidence on a militia composed of freemen." THE ANTIFEDERALIST PAPERS 75 (Morton Borden ed., 1965).

"There were no blacksmiths in Israel because the Philistines were determined to keep the Hebrews from making swords and spears." 1 Samuel 13:19-22 (Good News).

"For myself it would be most irksome to be ruled by a bevy of Platonic Guardians, even if I knew how to choose them, which I assuredly do not." LEARNED HAND, THE BILL OF RIGHTS 73 (1958).

"[A]n armed republic submits less easily to the rule of one of its citizens than a republic armed by foreign forces. Rome and Sparta were for many centuries well armed and free. The Swiss are well armed and enjoy great freedom." NICCOLO MACHIAVELLI, THE PRINCE 73 (Leslie J. Walker trans., 1970).

"[T]he rigorous equation of arms-bearing with civic capacity is on of Machiavelli's most enduring legacies to later political thinkers." JOHN POCOCK, THE POLITICAL WORKS OF JAMES HARRINGTON 18-19 (1977).

"Swords were given to men, tht none might be Slaves, but such as know not how to use them." ALGERNON SIDNEY, DISCOURSES CONCERNING GOVERNMENT 134 (London, J. Toland 1698).

"The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of himself or the state, is absolute." Cockrum v. State, 24 Tex. 394, 402 (1859).

"Nor can Congress deny to the people the right to keep and bear arms, nor the right to trial by jury, nor compel anyone to be a witness against himself in a criminal proceeding." Dred Scott v. Sanford, 60 U.S. (19 How.) 393, 450 (1857).

"I find in the Constitution an article which declared 'the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.' For myself, I shall insist that the reconstructed rebels of Mississippi respect the Constitution in their local laws." Representative Clarke of Kansas, CONG. GLOBE, 39th Cong., 1st Sess., 1838 (1866).

Just a start. HTH.:)

December 25, 2002, 09:14 PM
I have to agree along the lines of Blackhawk.

Not only do you express yourself well, but your quotes supports, re-enforces,or reflects your posts.

I myself look forward to your quotes--honestly--been known to read quote, then your post.

To me - this is your sig.

4v50 Gary
December 25, 2002, 10:36 PM
Are sig lines going to be like shoes. One pair today, another tomorrow? Whatever you choose, I'm sure it'll be in good taste. After all, real women care for themselves, grown up girls can't.

December 25, 2002, 11:40 PM
This is a great thread! It's turned out to be a "We love you, pax!" thread. :D

December 26, 2002, 12:01 AM
BH, where's the "hug smilie" :D

c'mon pax, we need some more quotes.

December 26, 2002, 12:19 PM

It wasn't spozed to ... I mean, I'm glad it did and all ... but, um. :o


Okay, at your service! :) Here's a couple from Frederic Bastiat. I'd urge folks to run a search on his name and read some of his works -- most available online at no charge. I should be glad enough, you may be sure, if you had really discovered a beneficent and inexhaustible being, calling itself the Government, which has bread for all mouths, work for all hands, capital for all enterprises, credit for all projects, oil for all wounds, balm for all sufferings, advice for all perplexities, solutions for all doubts, truths for all intellects, diversions for all who want them, milk for infancy, and wine for old age - which can provide for all our wants, satisfy all our curiosity, correct all our errors, repair all our faults, and exempt us henceforth from the necessity for foresight, prudence, judgment, sagacity, experience, order, economy, temperance, and activity. -- Frédéric Bastiat

Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. -- Frédéric Bastiat

Here are some from Milton Mayer, whom I hadn't read before Dadman told us all about him in the L&P forum, on a thread titled "Be Concerned." Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for the one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. ...So you wait, and you wait. But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. ... And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self deception has grown too heavy .... You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven't done (for that was all that was required of most of us: that we do nothing). -- Milton Mayer, writing about Nazi Germany in They Thought They Were Free

First of all, there is the problem of the lesser evil. Taking the oath was not so evil as being unable to help my friends later on would have been. But the evil of the oath was certain and immediate, and the helping of my friends was in the future and therefore uncertain. I had to commit a positive evil there and then, in the hope of a possible good later on. The good outweighed the evil; but the good was only a hope, the evil a fact. -- Milton Mayer, writing about Nazi Germany in They Thought They Were Free
And here is a mixed bag of commentaries on gov't: The pattern is as old as human life. The new rulers use more and more force, more police, more soldiers, trying to enforce more efficient control, trying to make the planned economy work by piling regulations on regulations, decree on decree. The people are hungry and hungrier. And how does a man on this earth get butter? Doesn't the government give butter? But government does not produce food from the earth; Government is guns. It is one common distinction of all civilized peoples, that they give their guns to the Government. Men in Government monopolize the necessary use of force; they are not using their energies productively; they are not milking cows. To get butter, they must use guns; they have nothing else to use. – Rose Wilder Lane

We do many things at the federal level that would be considered dishonest and illegal if done in the private sector. – Donald T. Regan

Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal. – Martin Luther King Jr.

Politicians can't give us anything without depriving us of something else. Government is not a god. Every dime they spend must first be taken from someone else. – Gary Asmus

If you would not confront your neighbor and demand his money at the point of a gun to solve every new problem that may appear in your life, you should not allow the government to do it for you. – William E. Simon
And finally, one about the RKBA, which I picked up at the link CJ posted above. Thanks, CJ. :)
"A well-crafted pepperoni pizza, being necessary to the preservation of a diverse menu, the right of the people to keep and cook tomatoes, shall not be infringed." I would ask you to try to argue that this statement says that only pepperoni pizzas can keep and cook tomatoes, and only well-crafted ones at that. This is basically what the so-called states rights people argue with respect to the well-regulated militia, vs. the right to keep and bear arms. – Bruce Tiemann

More quotes, people? Don't be shy...


I no doubt deserved my enemies, but I don't believe I deserved my friends. -- Walt Whitman

December 26, 2002, 12:59 PM
Thank You !!
Your quotes have me doing searches--I have been further educated as a result.

I realize that the older I get--how much I really don't know.

Ok, Its a known fact I grew up reading Robert Ruark. In the page preceding the Foreword in Ruark's
Something Of Value :

"If a man does away with his traditional way of living and throws away his good customs,he had better first make certain that he has something of value to replace them."
---Basuto proverb.

2nd Amendment
December 26, 2002, 12:59 PM
Saving all these quotes into something I can actually keep track of is going to be a lot of fun, pax. Thx for all the extra work! :D

December 26, 2002, 01:07 PM
You're very welcome, 2A. Want more? Here are some gun related ones that I find amusing to varying degrees.

I have always believed that a true gentleman provides covering fire while a lady is reloading. – Tamara on TFL

You know what the difference between me and you really is? You look out there and see a horde of evil, brain eating zombies. I look out there and see a target rich environment. -- Buzz Knox on TFL

Full-auto is a good way to turn money into noise. -- Clint Smith

And the little girl had approached the bed no nearer than thirty feet when she pulled out a pistol and shot the wolf dead; for even in a cap and nightgown a wolf looks no more like your grandmother than Calvin Coolidge looks like the Metro-Goldwyn lion. Moral: Little girls are not so easy to fool nowadays as they used to be. -- James Thurber

You can go a long way with a smile. You can go a lot farther with a smile and a gun. -- Al Capone

There's nothing wrong with shooting so long as the right people get shot. -- Dirty Harry Calahan

There are precious few horror films that couldn't be cut well short by a single loaded 12 ga and someone with the sense to use it. -- K.R. Murphy

The fascination of shooting as a sport depends almost wholly on whether you are at the right or wrong end of the gun. -- P. G. Wodehouse

As we used to teach in the spook business, carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it you may shoot it. If you shoot it you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody - and he finds out about it - he may be very angry with you. -- Jeff Cooper


Nothing is more foolish than to talk of frivolous things seriously; but nothing is wittier than to make frivolities serve serious ends. -- Erasmus

Calamity Jane
December 26, 2002, 01:43 PM
Chiming in to add another Thumbs Up for your unique signature methodology, Pax! :cool:

December 26, 2002, 04:13 PM
Pax, where do you find the time????:eek:

December 26, 2002, 04:40 PM
I, too, have enjoyed the reliable pointedness of your changing sig lines. For a default... this has always been one of my favorites:

"Merely having an open mind is nothing; the object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid." —G.K. Chesterton

December 26, 2002, 07:57 PM
The older quotations are noteworthy for the actual craft of the writing, something I often enjoy in the work of Alfred Lord Tennyson, where skill with words produces such strong and compelling images. That said, I also enjoy short and direct verses from contemporary sources:

"Tuco", in "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly":
"If you're going to shoot, shoot! Don't talk!"

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