Oy, Mate! Is 5.56MM good on a hopping Roo?


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George Hill
June 25, 2003, 05:03 PM
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-12356819,00.html

OZ KANGAROO CULL

The Australian army has been given the go-ahead to kill 15,000 kangaroos in the state of Victoria.

The move is aimed at preventing over-grazing at a rural army base.


The Defence Department said 103,782 acres of land, home to the army's Puckapunyal training ground, was being threatened by the kangaroos.

Brigadier Mike Hannan said approval to slaughter the animals followed a census in April which found 36,000 kangaroos on the base.

Environmental consultants advised the area could only sustain 10,000 during the present drought, Mr Hannan said.

"The problem is one of environmental degradation and the kangaroos themselves suffer pretty badly once all the food is gone for them," he said.

"We don't want this area to be a dust bowl, it is not a realistic training environment."

Mr Hannan added that licensed shooters would kill an initial 6,500 eastern gray kangaroos.

Another count would be made at the end of August before a decision was made to continue the killings.

More than 20,000 eastern gray kangaroos - many of them starving - were killed by professional shooters at the base last year.

The Victorian Department of Environment and Sustainability approved the killings after the kangaroos overbred and destroyed much of the area's vegetation.

Animal activists have reacted angrily, saying poor management practices have led to the population problem.

Animal Liberation Australia spokeswoman Rheya Linden vowed to organise protests.

"Kangaroo numbers are severely reduced, not only because of the slaughter last year but because the drought has taken its toll as it has on wildlife everywhere," she said.

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Fly320s
June 25, 2003, 05:07 PM
We don't want this area to be a dust bowl, it is not a realistic training environment."
Good thing that they can choose where to fight when the time comes. Certainly wouldn't want to end up fighting in a desert in the middle east.

Man, 'roos must reproduce like rabbits.

[cue music] Love is in the air..

Ol' Badger
June 25, 2003, 05:12 PM
I herby volunteer my services to the Ozzies on this noble task! Just pay my Airfair and I'll bring my gear and we'll have a blast

:D

iamkris
June 25, 2003, 05:53 PM
I personally volunteer to go and do it on my nickel (I provide airfare, rifle and ammo).

My wife and I were in Australia last October for our 10th anniversary. Outside of Alice Springs (middle of the outback) they were like flies after dark...all over the place, jumping unpredicably in front of cars. Not like deer here where you might see one a night. I'm talking one jumping in front of you every 100 yards and hundreds along the side of the road.

We finally hit one with the rental car and did a lot of damage. Now I see why everyone has "roo bars" on the front of their vehicles over there. Wish I would have rented the SUV instead of the Falcon...

Art Eatman
June 25, 2003, 05:57 PM
I jes' luv the rational thought processes of the Twit Brigade:

"Animal activists have reacted angrily, saying poor management practices have led to the population problem."

Yeah, they weren't issued any birth control pills.

"Animal Liberation Australia spokeswoman Rheya Linden vowed to organise protests."

But will they have signs saying, "Don't shoot the Roos! Let them starve in peace!"?

Art

Redlg155
June 25, 2003, 06:04 PM
Sounds like a prime time to start a new "Jack in the Box" chain over there. :D


Good Shooting
Red

Ol' Badger
June 25, 2003, 06:08 PM
Over Hill,
Over Dale,
Redlg155's jokes just keep roll'n along.

Good one.
:)

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June 25, 2003, 06:12 PM
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Preacherman
June 25, 2003, 06:38 PM
Jim, you've been OD'ing on the Post Toasties again, haven't you???

:p

gun-fucious
June 25, 2003, 06:49 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=330541

Art Eatman
June 25, 2003, 07:04 PM
Aw, Preach, it's just some sort of pollen from the People's Republic of Berzerkley that's affecting pore ol' Jim...

:D, Art

uglygun
June 25, 2003, 07:13 PM
GOOD HEAVENS!:what


If that ain't the PERFECT environment for my vARmint15 I don't know what is!


HAVE GUN WILL TRAVEL!

http://home.bak.rr.com/varmintcong/jpar/jpar.html


Rifle is capable of sub-MOA out to 500 yards, it's nearly nailed the odd 500+ yard Ca. ground squirrel but the nut behind the butt isn't quite good enough yet to accurately range or dial in the dope on such distant and tiny little critters. Have hit them at 400 yards though.


Roos would be in HUGE trouble at 500 yards and beyond. If they were too far for the 223Rem, heck if I don't have a nasty NASTY 300WinMag that's up for the job.


Darned Aussies and their "forward thinking" gun bans and junk:

Cosmoline
June 25, 2003, 08:22 PM
This whole thing is starting to sound like "Quigley down Under." I don't think they'd want us down there, folks. Our reception by authorities would be only slightly better than the reception Quigley got. It's their money to waste hiring hunters, I suppose, rather than charging us to do exactly the same thing.

H&Hhunter
June 25, 2003, 08:32 PM
I have a mental picture,

Small in size and drawn with crayon mind you but a picture none the less.

Fade to scene piles of freshly culled roo corpses litter the the barron hills. Steam rises from the still warm corpses.

In the distance the growl of an 18 wheeler ever getting closer as the sun is just breaking the horizon.

And finally as the tractor trailer materializes the familar face of Ronald McDonald is boldly emblazoned on the side of the Trailer.

Think about that next time you order some McNuggets at the Mickie D's down under.:D

cooch
June 26, 2003, 08:04 AM
Hi Fellas

Is one reason that I don't do Maccas over here. (The other is that having been brought up on real meat, I disdain the plastic variety.)

.223/5.56 is perfectly adequate for our grasshoppers, but you're legally restricted to head-shots.
Yeah, I know! But go tell it to the morons who make the rules..:banghead: If it goes according to the usual rules, the shooting will be done under spotlights. While this can be more fun than many would believe (try chasing foxes in the dark over rough country - shotgunning them from the back of a moving ute :D) the style of shooting you're loking at is likely to rapidly become boring.

A more interesting style of roo shooting practiced my some farmers involves drives (on foot) with both beaters and stoppers using shotguns. Roos are lightly built in the upper end and are relatively easily stopped with BB (English size) shot. If you have the luck to be positioned on a favoured escape path, the shooting can be very fast and entertaining indeed.

Cheers......... Cooch

Art Eatman
June 26, 2003, 09:04 AM
Hey, cooch! Welcome!

Whether wildlife or welfare, no problem is ever half so bad until government decides to solve it.

:), Art

Dr.Rob
June 26, 2003, 07:31 PM
Maybe I'm wrong but aren't 223/5.56 banned from import into Austrailia, even if it's just for a weekend of roo-busting? (military caliber etc)

Dave R
June 27, 2003, 02:41 AM
Sigh.

All the gov't woulda had to do was declare open season, no bag limit, and let the hunters do the work. Saves the taxpayers 000,000.

There are still some hunting rifles in Oz, aren't there?

What does 'roo taste like? Venison? Antelope?

cooch
June 27, 2003, 05:20 AM
No ban on military rifle calibres here. .223 and .308 are among the most popular...... but you can't bring your AR15 .

Roo meat varies considerably in flavour.
It's a very lean meat.
I haven't eaten antelope, and the only venison I've tried has been Sambar, so I haven't much basis for comparison.

I don't rate our local roos (Eastern Grey) very highly, certainly not as good as venison or a good grass-fed steak, but the Tasmanians seem very fond of their Bennets Wallaby (see the pic posted by Gun-fucious) and I'm told that the red roos from further west are a lot better on the plate.

Cheers......... Cooch

cooch
June 27, 2003, 05:50 AM
For those interested....

http://www.kangaroo-industry.asn.au/index.html

HBK
July 10, 2003, 07:33 PM
I've always loved kangaroos. Shooting them seems...just disturbing. I guess they are no different than deer, though. They are just so cute. A bullet is definately a better end than a slow starvation. I wonder, does the hopping factor have to be taken into consideration when aiming?

Larry Ashcraft
July 10, 2003, 07:51 PM
I wonder, does the hopping factor have to be taken into consideration when aiming?
Only if you want to hit them. :D

HBK
July 10, 2003, 08:10 PM
Maybe I'm squeamish about shooting kangaroos because I slept with a stuffed kangaroo when I was a little kid. :(

daniel (australia)
July 12, 2003, 01:57 AM
Well, If you shoot 'em they're pretty much stuffed...

cooch
July 12, 2003, 06:02 AM
HB......

I appreciate what you're saying.
But roos are a bit like lambs....

Oh so nice and cuddly in children's stories, cartoons and toilet tissue advertisements :barf: .............. but any sheep farmer knows that they are the most unreasonable and frustrating little :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: to deal with in reality.

I've had a couple of young grass-hoppers as pets. They are difficult to rear and - contrary again to children's television - pretty bloody dense. We have a dozen or so knocking around our back paddocks at the moment, and in spite of the fact that they can jump fences , they prefer to make holes in the netting that sheep can walk through three abreast. :banghead: :fire:

They aren't a big problem at the moment but I don't blame anyone who wants to cull them.

Peter:

HBK
July 12, 2003, 09:54 PM
That is so funny, I guess roos are like deer. A lady here deals in exotic pets, can get you a wallaby for 1500 dollars. Sounds like a waste of money to me. Maybe the government of Australia should round up the roos and sell them as pets...in Europe.

cooch
July 13, 2003, 03:31 AM
HB....

You're right about the fact that we should be exporting them as pets, but there are some weird attitudes amongst the legislators WRT our wildlife.

For instance, smuggling our native birds is a thriving racket. There is a strong demand overseas for birds that we regard as pests, and which exists in populations tens - if not hundreds - of times greater than existed at the time of white settlement.
(This is due to changes in landscape and agricultural practice.)
But while farmers can shoot and poison them by the thousand, a legal trade in these superabundant species is not permitted. Instead of gaining millions of dollars in export revenue, we spend similar amounts on Customs trying - unsuccessfully - to stamp out a very cruel and wasteful black market.

Ditto attitudes towards commercial farming of native species. To my knpowlege, no commercially farmed species is in the slightest danger of extinction. Good heavens, we slaughter millions of sheep and cattle annually, but they are still as populous as ever. The same goes for the species used as pets. The common Guinea-pig is not even slightly endangered, but if you advocate breeding a native species for sale as pets there are screams of blue murder. Yet the strategy would guarantee the survival of the species.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: .......... Cooch

sm
July 13, 2003, 03:48 AM
cooch, welcome to THR!

Thanks for the link btw, most informative. I've heard of the leather products, I've always wanted a pair of hunting boots--like Randalls 'bird boots" with 'roo leather.

cooch
July 13, 2003, 03:58 AM
re1973

Why thankyou Sir.
The welcome is appreciated.
And yes, I like roo-leather very much inded.


Cheers............ Peter

sm
July 13, 2003, 04:07 AM
Well, If I read correctly, shotguns won't be allowed. Blows my latest greatest idea of adding a "roo" to the old sporting clays.:D

Probably best, I always hit the flying teal, always, but the running rabbit -well -err, I'd rather shoot teal. ;)

How embarrassing it would be to miss a boing...boing 'roo.

I don't know about a 5.56, but I'd give it ago with a 1911...:D

Style points for wearing 'roo boots ?

HBK
July 13, 2003, 05:22 AM
Now that I think of it, most of my football (soccer) shoes were kangaroo leather.

HBK
July 13, 2003, 09:43 PM
If they harvest the leather from all those dead roos, maybe they can start making kangaroo leather holsters. That could be a good use for them.

cooch
July 14, 2003, 07:27 AM
Depending on which state you're in,,
Shotguns are - or were untill recently - used for pest-control shoots....
Slightly different rules from commercial harvesting, and the twain are supposed never to meet. As far as I know all land-owner "pest control" licences are issued on the basis that the carcases must be permitted to let rot.
In many ways it's a crying shame and a waste of a good resource, but whether that would be true of the roos at Pucka' remains to be seen. Although a couple of abbatoirs have expressed an interest, if the roos there need culling because of over-population, they're probably a little on the skinny side for meat. I don't know what difference it would make to the value of their hides.

As I think I said before, .224 centrefires are perfectly adequate for head/chest shots on roos at appropriate ranges.

1911???
Now if you were involved in a drive and managed to station yourself next to a well-used hole in the boundary fence, you could have a lot of fun. You might need spare mags.:D

Cheers.......... peter

Greybeard
July 14, 2003, 11:43 AM
How about an AXE ...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31137

And some think we have probs with a few bears and cougars ...

mete
July 14, 2003, 03:29 PM
Just read a story about a couple in australia that was attacked by a 'roo. The man finally was able to kill it with an axe. And in the usa we're worried about al qaeda.

daniel (australia)
July 14, 2003, 10:19 PM
A bit like deer I guess: sometimes a big old buck will take it into his head to have a go at someone. They can do a good bit of damage too, rearing up on their tail to strike with the long claws on the hind feet. They go for the belly and thighs, and can lay open a femoral artery with a well-directed blow.

Australia's environment being so harsh, and brains so energy-intensive, nature appears to have economised on the size and quality of roo brains. They are rather dim creatures, and don't always appear to appreciate that humans are best avoided. The charnel-house quality of many outback roads, where sometimes the road-killed roos are in the dozens per mile, is testament to that, and to their success despite it.

sm
July 14, 2003, 10:34 PM
____________

quote: "1911???
Now if you were involved in a drive and managed to station yourself next to a well-used hole in the boundary fence, you could have a lot of fun. You might need spare mags.
_____________

I could do that, yes I have spare mags. If I can hit a groundhog...fire up the barbie:D

cooch
July 15, 2003, 12:19 AM
re1973

We could do one blackfella style.......

Roasted whole in the skin. (I think they gut them, but I'm not entirely sure... :uhoh: :barf: )

All.......
OK <sigh> here is the disclaimer for the terminally politically correct.
"Blackfella" is an archaic term, but not deliberately derogatory. I should know, I have aboriginal blood-kin.
Anybody sufficiently thin-skinned to object to the use of such terms is in the wrong place on this board.

I remain contumacious............... Peter

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