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grafsk8er
June 21, 2007, 10:35 PM
fun little cartridge, can be handloaded up to .223 speed, but i read its roughly for the most part a 2900-3000 fps gun, suitable for bobcat and smaller game. i think i'm gonna get this over the .223, because almost all of my shots are gonna be 200 yards and in on mostly woodchuck, maybe the occasional 100 yard grey squirrel. but if anybody has any incite on the fireball or has any links that i can be directed that would be great, thanks

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trstafford
June 21, 2007, 11:02 PM
Try it in the guns it was designed for Remington XP100 or Contender Pistol.

grafsk8er
June 21, 2007, 11:09 PM
i know it was made to be fit into handguns, but somebody figured out that it was extremely accurate through a rifle, hence the reason to possibly buy it. thanks for the reply, i woulda never guessed it was designed for hand guns, but then again so was the .357 mag, and yet they have lever actions for it. i'm just curious if anyone has any info with it through a rifle.

Triple S
June 21, 2007, 11:22 PM
I am considering this cartridge as well right now in an Encore barrel for the very reasons you mention. However, I am undecided between this and the .222 Rem. Since I do not handload, I am subject to the availabilty of the factory stuff. If I chose today it would be the .222, but if I found another souce of ammo for the Fireball, I could be persuaded. I believe the Hunting Shack offers ammo, but I do not have experience with them. Any thoughts?

Harry Paget Flashman
June 21, 2007, 11:57 PM
When I bought my G2 Contender (pistol) several years ago I got it with a .45LC/.410 barrel and a .223 barrel. I picked the .223 barrel because of the cheap and plentiful ammo that was available for it. Not long after buying it I happened across a used .221 Fireball barrel (10" octagon) and bought it simply for the class it added to the gun. No regrets.

Triple S
June 21, 2007, 11:59 PM
I want mine in a rifle barrel for less noise than the .223 and more range than a hornet.

grafsk8er
June 22, 2007, 12:05 AM
exactly ^^ and something that won't destroy a pelt. i find it to be a very versatile cartridge with the right loads. tame enough for squirrels, but yet, load it hot for a coyote if need be. plus, i live in a semi suburban area, i don't want to be popping off too many centerfires or the neighbors will get a lil p'od

Triple S
June 22, 2007, 12:14 AM
Have you looked at the .17 Remington Fireball? I have read reports where it is very quiet (less than a hornet) out of 24"+ length barrels.

rangerruck
June 22, 2007, 12:51 AM
cz makes a 221 fireball, and it is super accurate, for it's best accuracy , go with lighter bullets, 35 to 45 grainers, and keep the speed at 3200fps for the light bullets, and 3000 or less for the heavier ones.

grafsk8er
June 22, 2007, 08:44 AM
taht's exactly the gun that i was looking at. i think it'd be neat to have a caliber that not everyone and their grandma has ie .223

Dark Helmet
June 23, 2007, 06:47 PM
Nosler custom has ammo(and others), I've yet to fire a factory load in mine. Try 40 gr Ballistic Tips or V-Max!

QuickRick
June 24, 2007, 01:09 PM
I recently acquired a FB rifle and it has become an instant favorite. For comparison sake I include the 221 FB as one of the "Smaller" 22 centerfire rounds. This would include rounds such as the Hornet, K Hornet, 218 Bee, etc. In that company I think the Fireball is the hands down winner. The first reload I tried in mine (50 Speer TNT with 18.0 grns of RL-7 and WSR primers) shot under an inch at 100 yards. I smoked a bunch of prairie dogs and Richardson Ground Squirrels in Montana ("Gophers" to the Big Sky residents) out to 200 plus yards with this load. Very effective and not to noisy. The only drawback I see to the cartridge is the cost of brass. It cost considerably more than new 222 or 223 brass through sources such as Midway. Sometimes it may be difficult to purchase locally. Case forming dies are available, from 222 or 223 brass, but they are pricey. Still it's a great little round which seems to be gaining popularity....

DoubleTapDrew
June 24, 2007, 03:22 PM
My Dad and I have a pair of short barrel, bedded, bull-barrel 221 fireballs built on Rem 700 actions (I belive. Been about 12 years since I played with them). They are SUPER accurate, quiet, and very flat shooting. Their effect on ground squirrels (sage rats) is dramatic. They get serious air time and the halves rarely stay together. Haven't tried them on anything bigger. The .222 is nice too, but I prefer the fireball.

Here's a couple links I found:
http://www.chuckhawks.com/221fireball.htm
Reloading Info (http://www.gunsandammomag.com/reloads/0505/)
http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/gear/gunvault/article/0,19912,431384,00.html

Triple S
June 24, 2007, 04:26 PM
How do you think the noise would compare on a fireball from a CZ (22") versus an Encore with a 24-26" barrel? Obviously, the longer the barrel, the better it will be. However, I have been told the a fireball is a very efficent cartridge and burns up its powder very quickly compared to other .22 centerfires. I have a lot of experience with most other factory loaded 22 centerfires ranging from the hornet through the swift, but not the fireball.

44AMP
June 24, 2007, 06:12 PM
Developed for the XP-100 bolt action pistol by Remington. The entire reason the Fireball was developed was to make it a .222 that would be efficient in the pistol length barrel. Standard .222 Rem wasted too much of it's powder in the short barrel, so Remington engineers shrunk (shortened) the case body to hold less powder, making it better suited to their handgun.

Putting a .221 in a rifle makes no sense to me. If you are using a rifle, then the .222 is a better choice. For varmint shooting, I prefer it over the .223. I handload, and if I wish, I can duplicate the .221 from either a rifle or my .222 Contender.

If you are limited to factory rounds only I suppose the .221 would be a little lighter and quieter from a rifle, but my advice would be to get a .222 and handload for it.

nvshooter
June 25, 2007, 02:30 AM
A friend of mine has one in a Rem M700. It really whacks jackrabbits...

another okie
June 25, 2007, 11:11 AM
.221 Fireball:

Overall length, 1.830, .224 bullet, 50 grain bullet at about 2400 fps, or 35 grain bullet at aobut 3100 fps..

.222 Remington:

Overall length, 2.130, .224 bullet, 50 grain bullet at about 2900 fps, or 25 grain bullet at about 3200 fps.

source: Modern reloading, Richard Lee

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