jakemccoy
June 23, 2007, 04:40 PM
Do you know of anybody who you think may have possibly carried a CCW without a permit? Were they ever caught (no need to call out names)? If so, what happened? Please indicate the state.
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GotGlock
June 23, 2007, 04:53 PM
Yes and it was bad, very very bad. Felony, no more guns, AND they took everything he had already.
RP86
June 23, 2007, 05:10 PM
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I believe it used to be a 2nd degree felony in Florida, but they made it a 3rd degree felony not too long ago. It's not a good idea to do so, get a CWL and no worries.
Wedge
June 23, 2007, 05:14 PM
Not a good idea unless you live in AK or VT...
kashton
June 23, 2007, 05:17 PM
This may be off topic a little bit but am I allowed to carry a handgun in my car in Texas for personal safety? Is it an extension of my home?
Breakdaddy
June 23, 2007, 05:28 PM
Kashton, to the best of my understanding the answer is no. You cannot carry a loaded handgun in your car in Texas without the legal protection of a CHL.
RNB65
June 23, 2007, 05:35 PM
In VA, it's a misdemeanor on the first offense and a felony on subsequent offenses.
Quiet
June 23, 2007, 05:41 PM
Do you know of anybody who you think may have possibly carried a CCW without a permit? Were they ever caught (no need to call out names)? If so, what happened? Please indicate the state.
Since, you are in CA.
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12020.php
A friend of mine got busted around 10 years ago carrying concealed without a permit. He called me to pick him up from jail.
Orange County SD busted him, hooked & booked with 4 misdemeanors.
Carrying a concealed weapon. Carrying a loaded weapon. Concealed weapon in a vehicle. Loaded weapon in a vehicle. He was 'OR' released after 8 hours in jail.
He plead no contest to 2 of the charges, DA dropped the other 2. Judge fined him $900 and 2 years of probation. His handgun (East German Makarov) was confiscated and destroyed. While he was under probation, he could not own/posses/handle any firearms & ammo and had to sell his Ruger Mini-14.
DO NOT BREAK THE LAW, BY CARRYING A CONCEALED HANDGUN WITHOUT A PERMIT (does not apply in AK or VT).
In CA, carrying without a permit will get you 1-4 misdemeanors. If the handgun is not registered, the misdemeanors just turned into felonies.
Since, you are in CA.
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12020.php
A friend of mine got busted around 10 years ago carrying concealed without a permit. He called me to pick him up from jail.
Orange County SD busted him, hooked & booked with 4 misdemeanors.
Carrying a concealed weapon. Carrying a loaded weapon. Concealed weapon in a vehicle. Loaded weapon in a vehicle. He was 'OR' released after 8 hours in jail.
He plead no contest to 2 of the charges, DA dropped the other 2. Judge fined him $900 and 2 years of probation. His handgun (East German Makarov) was confiscated and destroyed. While he was under probation, he could not own/posses/handle any firearms & ammo and had to sell his Ruger Mini-14.
DO NOT BREAK THE LAW, BY CARRYING A CONCEALED HANDGUN WITHOUT A PERMIT (does not apply in AK or VT).
In CA, carrying without a permit will get you 1-4 misdemeanors. If the handgun is not registered, the misdemeanors just turned into felonies.
wdlsguy
June 23, 2007, 05:41 PM
am I allowed to carry a handgun in my car in Texas for personal safety?
It will become legal on September 1, 2007:
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/html/HB01815F.htm
It will become legal on September 1, 2007:
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/html/HB01815F.htm
Geronimo45
June 23, 2007, 05:46 PM
Handgun in the car in Texas - it's (generally speaking) okay. They've got a new provision coming into action... September? It's supposed to clarify the 'travelling' provision in Texas law. Some DA - think it's Houston - has been trying to ignore that provision of the law. If you've got a handgun in your car, it's got to be concealed, though.
Long guns, on the other hand, are absolutely and utterly legal in the car - loaded or no, concealed or unconcealed.
No, I can't figure why.
Long guns, on the other hand, are absolutely and utterly legal in the car - loaded or no, concealed or unconcealed.
No, I can't figure why.
Cosmoline
June 23, 2007, 05:51 PM
Do you know of anybody who you think may have possibly carried a CCW without a permit?
I have, for years now.
I have, for years now.
jakemccoy
June 23, 2007, 05:54 PM
^Quiet, that was a great response, thanks. I've actually been researching the laws on this. What remains murky to me is the concept of concealed weapon in a vehicle. California states that your pistol (long guns are different) must be unloaded and locked in a container; the ammunition must not be in the container; the container cannot be the glove box. I'm trying to think of a scenario in which the pistol locked away as such could be considered concealed carry. Does unloaded automatically make the gun nonconcealed in California?
Quiet
June 23, 2007, 06:07 PM
Does unloaded automatically make the gun nonconcealed in California?
No.
Also in CA, you can not store a handgun in a vehicle unless you are traveling from one specific location to another. Such as, your home to the range (no side trips or stops are allowed). It is aganist the law to just store a handgun in a vehicle (no handguns for "trunk gun").
However, you can store an unloaded rifle or shotgun in your vehicle (rifle/shotgun is good to go for "trunk gun").
No.
Also in CA, you can not store a handgun in a vehicle unless you are traveling from one specific location to another. Such as, your home to the range (no side trips or stops are allowed). It is aganist the law to just store a handgun in a vehicle (no handguns for "trunk gun").
However, you can store an unloaded rifle or shotgun in your vehicle (rifle/shotgun is good to go for "trunk gun").
22-rimfire
June 23, 2007, 06:16 PM
I have known a number of people who carried without a permit. None were ever caught nor did they have need of their firearm. Personally, I don't like the permits. I believe it should be a right without any permission license from the government.
CajunBass
June 23, 2007, 06:32 PM
I have in the past.
Dgindlesperger
June 23, 2007, 06:41 PM
I have in the past.....Ever talked to a few officers about it (not while carring). YES ILLEGAL, but they said unless you do something to cause suspision or look like a gangster they would have no reason to bother you, therefore I would be safe. One of the things everyone needs to remember is the imprint is important. If you carrying IWB but the handle is pushing against your shirt, or you havs a big bulge in you pants the wrong place, it's not really very concealled.
RancidSumo
June 23, 2007, 07:03 PM
My dad used to carry a S&W revolver in a shoulder holster without a conceled permit. That was ~30 years ago though. I was wondering on a similar note to the texas question, in Denver, how much trouble would you get in for having a loaded handgun in the center consel of your car?
DavidVS
June 23, 2007, 07:16 PM
Nope.
My mother was the activity director at an old folk's home. This thread has made me wonder: I expect that if an acquaintance I knew did carry concealed without a permit without my knowledge, it was more likely some old lady than a friend of the same age.
My mother was the activity director at an old folk's home. This thread has made me wonder: I expect that if an acquaintance I knew did carry concealed without a permit without my knowledge, it was more likely some old lady than a friend of the same age.
elrod
June 23, 2007, 07:39 PM
Yeah buddy, I got caught w/ a M36 during a traffic stop in Alabama. (If you got to get caught, be in Alabama). Got a permit before court date, had to pay the traffic fine, but gun was returned,and no CCW charge was dismissed. I Love Alabama!:neener:
jakemccoy
June 23, 2007, 08:46 PM
Quiet, ok, so here's my situation. I'm in California. I basically can't have a handgun for my car. I basically can't have a CCW because getting a permit is nearly impossible in my county. So, a pistol would be only useful for my nightstand and for the range. For home, I'd rather have a shotgun under the bed or in a closet. For the range or for sport, I'd much rather be shooting shotguns. For the car, a shotgun has fewer restrictions than a handgun. I guess I'm back to square one of two months ago: pros were telling me to get good with a shotgun and not to waste time with pistols in California. I guess legally carrying a handgun for my protection in California has been a figment of my imagination.
Crunker1337
June 23, 2007, 09:00 PM
Yeah, don't bother with the hassle and get a Mossy. Like a Persuader with an 18" barrel.
jaholder1971
June 23, 2007, 09:49 PM
jakemccoy,
Simple - Move out of California. Move toward the Midwest or the South and don't look back.
Simple - Move out of California. Move toward the Midwest or the South and don't look back.
theken206
June 23, 2007, 10:00 PM
all I will say about if I have or have not is that concealed means concealed my friend ;)
Cannonball888
June 23, 2007, 11:06 PM
The Skipper was arrested by Gilligan for carrying dynamite in his back pocket (a concealed weapon). I don't know what state. I think it was some deserted island.
22-rimfire
June 24, 2007, 12:09 AM
I just wonder what Andy would have done?
Quiet
June 24, 2007, 01:20 AM
I guess legally carrying a handgun for my protection in California has been a figment of my imagination.
Getting a CCW permit in CA is not impossible if you live in the right county.
For instance, in SoCal, Orange and San Bernardino County are very liberal in issueing CCW permits. With a reasonable "good cause" statement, you have a good chance of getting a permit.
Head over to www.calccw.com and www.californiaccw.org for more specific information on getting a CA CCW permit.
www.fulldisclosure.net/flash/VideoBlogs/VideoBlog3.php
Interesting video interview of Los Angeles Sheriff Lee Baca and Orange County Sheriff Mike Carona on CCW permits.
Getting a CCW permit in CA is not impossible if you live in the right county.
For instance, in SoCal, Orange and San Bernardino County are very liberal in issueing CCW permits. With a reasonable "good cause" statement, you have a good chance of getting a permit.
Head over to www.calccw.com and www.californiaccw.org for more specific information on getting a CA CCW permit.
www.fulldisclosure.net/flash/VideoBlogs/VideoBlog3.php
Interesting video interview of Los Angeles Sheriff Lee Baca and Orange County Sheriff Mike Carona on CCW permits.
Albatross
June 24, 2007, 01:35 AM
State law varies and in many states carrying without a permit is only a misdemeanor. I know a number of people who carry every day without a permit in the states I frequent.
Call up the DA's office and ask them about it.
Call up the DA's office and ask them about it.
tmajors
June 24, 2007, 01:35 AM
Can concealed carry in Idaho without a permit....outside city limits or on your own property (cars do not count).
mlandman
June 24, 2007, 11:22 AM
It is no problem, no worries...
:what:
...until you get caught!
At that point you better hope you remembered to have 3 things:
1 - a nice, understanding cop :uhoh:
2 - a DA who is not running for office :uhoh:
3 - goodly amounts of $$,$$$ for a good lawfirm :uhoh:
:what:
...until you get caught!
At that point you better hope you remembered to have 3 things:
1 - a nice, understanding cop :uhoh:
2 - a DA who is not running for office :uhoh:
3 - goodly amounts of $$,$$$ for a good lawfirm :uhoh:
Jubjub
June 25, 2007, 07:18 AM
I used to carry when I worked in a nightclub before Missouri had a CCW law. It was kind of sort of technically legal, as the law at the time stated that the owner or "person in charge" of a business could carry on the premises. My boss listed me on the payroll as a manager for that reason, rather than my actual job title of hired thug.
I certainly would have been arrested had a police officer ever been aware of the situation, but that never came up. Hopefully, the legality would have been sorted out in court.
Actually, in several years of carrying a Glock 23 IWB, I was never made by anyone, much less the police, and luckily I never felt a need to draw, though it was close a time or two. My draw wouldn't have been blindingly fast, though certainly quicker than going to the car to retrieve a gun.
The tricky part was in fending off drunk women who wanted to hug and kiss and grope me. I soon developed some techniques that proved effective, though they certainly don't belong here on the High Road.;)
I certainly would have been arrested had a police officer ever been aware of the situation, but that never came up. Hopefully, the legality would have been sorted out in court.
Actually, in several years of carrying a Glock 23 IWB, I was never made by anyone, much less the police, and luckily I never felt a need to draw, though it was close a time or two. My draw wouldn't have been blindingly fast, though certainly quicker than going to the car to retrieve a gun.
The tricky part was in fending off drunk women who wanted to hug and kiss and grope me. I soon developed some techniques that proved effective, though they certainly don't belong here on the High Road.;)
md7
June 26, 2007, 12:09 PM
Every one i know that carries has a license to do it, or is LEO. The gun owners I know and have met have been pretty strict followers of the law.
dasmi
June 26, 2007, 12:25 PM
Your life is more important than some evil law. Concealed means concealed. Just some thoughts, not giving advice.
jimmyraythomason
June 26, 2007, 12:34 PM
The more I read about other states,the more I like Alabama!
jimmyraythomason
June 26, 2007, 12:36 PM
Same advise for concealed carry as for immigrants. Get legal or..........
Gordon Fink
June 26, 2007, 03:37 PM
My grandfather did decades ago in California, from time to time at least, but he and his guns are long gone. :( I don’t know the permit status of the few folks whom I’ve spotted.
~G. Fink
~G. Fink
jakemccoy
June 28, 2007, 02:00 PM
Quiet wrote:
"Also in CA, you can not store a handgun in a vehicle unless you are traveling from one specific location to another. Such as, your home to the range (no side trips or stops are allowed). It is aganist the law to just store a handgun in a vehicle (no handguns for "trunk gun")."
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I have not been able to find the California law that says this. Also, I don't know how such a law would be enforceable. Cali Penal Code 12026.1 seems to be the closest to what you're talking about. It doesn't say anything about not being able to "store" a pistol in the trunk. In fact, it says the opposite:
12026.1. (a) Section 12025 shall not be construed to prohibit any citizen of the United States over the age of 18 years who resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is not within the excepted classes prescribed by Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, from transporting or carrying any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, provided that the following applies to the firearm:
(1) The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle other than the utility or glove compartment.
(2) The firearm is carried by the person directly to or from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while carrying the firearm, the firearm is contained within a locked container.
(b) The provisions of this section do not prohibit or limit the otherwise lawful carrying or transportation of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person in accordance with this chapter.
(c) As used in this section, "locked container" means a secure container which is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device.
"Also in CA, you can not store a handgun in a vehicle unless you are traveling from one specific location to another. Such as, your home to the range (no side trips or stops are allowed). It is aganist the law to just store a handgun in a vehicle (no handguns for "trunk gun")."
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I have not been able to find the California law that says this. Also, I don't know how such a law would be enforceable. Cali Penal Code 12026.1 seems to be the closest to what you're talking about. It doesn't say anything about not being able to "store" a pistol in the trunk. In fact, it says the opposite:
12026.1. (a) Section 12025 shall not be construed to prohibit any citizen of the United States over the age of 18 years who resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is not within the excepted classes prescribed by Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, from transporting or carrying any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, provided that the following applies to the firearm:
(1) The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle other than the utility or glove compartment.
(2) The firearm is carried by the person directly to or from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while carrying the firearm, the firearm is contained within a locked container.
(b) The provisions of this section do not prohibit or limit the otherwise lawful carrying or transportation of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person in accordance with this chapter.
(c) As used in this section, "locked container" means a secure container which is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device.
obxned
June 28, 2007, 02:34 PM
Back in the good old days, concealed was illegal, but open carry was allowed and it was okay 'to protect the firearm from the elements'. Whether it was 'protected' or 'concealed' was left up to the LEO. The population was small enough that the cops knew who was who.
Autolycus
June 29, 2007, 12:15 AM
In Illinois it used to be a misdemeanor but they made it into a felony. I know my friends dad used to carry a Glock 26 before they made it a felony. He said it was worth a misdemeanor charge and a fine or community service but a felony is to risky.
SolaScriptura139
June 29, 2007, 10:40 AM
Oh, how I love living in a "shall issue" state...:D
30-06 lover
June 29, 2007, 12:33 PM
I would try to do all I could to legally carry. If you haven't applied for a concealed carry permit, do so. The worst that will happen is you get denied. After you tried everything you can to do to get a CCW legally and they have denied you, move to a state that allows you to be free or vote someone into office that is will to let you live free.
-Mike
-Mike
isp2605
June 29, 2007, 02:06 PM
In Illinois it used to be a misdemeanor but they made it into a felony.
You really should read the law before you give out legal advice. Read 720 ILCS 5/24-1(b).
You really should read the law before you give out legal advice. Read 720 ILCS 5/24-1(b).
El Tejon
June 29, 2007, 02:48 PM
I know many people who carry without a permit.:D
Since it is a misdemeanor, that count is usually dropped when they plead to the Murder or Attempted Murder.
Seriously, it is a Class A misdemeanor here, 0 to 365 days, 0 to $5,000 fine.
Since it is a misdemeanor, that count is usually dropped when they plead to the Murder or Attempted Murder.
Seriously, it is a Class A misdemeanor here, 0 to 365 days, 0 to $5,000 fine.
kashton
June 29, 2007, 09:27 PM
Remember too that sometimes you cannot get your CC license if you have a class A misdemeanor within the past so many years
hrgrisso
June 29, 2007, 09:54 PM
A friend carried Concealed before Az had CCW because he lived by the idea of the "better to be judged by twelve than carried by six."
On the other hand, I know a few diehard libertarians who believe that the CCW in Arizona is illegal due to the way the gun laws of Arizona were ratified, so instead of CCW'ing they file an "intent to carry."
here's a link about it:
http://www.geocities.com/duncan_ricky/ccw.html
Call me a pansy but I CCW. Licensed and ready.
On the other hand, I know a few diehard libertarians who believe that the CCW in Arizona is illegal due to the way the gun laws of Arizona were ratified, so instead of CCW'ing they file an "intent to carry."
here's a link about it:
http://www.geocities.com/duncan_ricky/ccw.html
Call me a pansy but I CCW. Licensed and ready.
kashton
June 30, 2007, 08:09 PM
Is it legal to carry a loaded handgun in your vehicle in Texas? I live in College Station/Bryan.
I am reading this and this seems ridiculous that they are still arresting people:http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2005/09/texas-new-carry-law-what-does-it-mean.html
EDIT: Nevermind, this topic is too complicated to discuss
I am reading this and this seems ridiculous that they are still arresting people:http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2005/09/texas-new-carry-law-what-does-it-mean.html
EDIT: Nevermind, this topic is too complicated to discuss
epic4444
July 1, 2007, 03:57 AM
okay what doesnt make any sense to me is how you get caught with a gun on you or in your car? a cop cant just search your vehicle unless your being arrested or they have some good cause...and saying...i think i smell weed get out and get on the ground isnt cause...so a gun in the glove box is out of sight and they cant do anything about it unless you got warrants....also a cop really cant just search you for no reason...."hey that looks like a gun butt?" doesnt just give them the right to lift up your shirt....plus today with all tha cellphone holders who knows wats under your shirt?...you just gotta know your rights and a good way to get AROUND the law =)
TimboKhan
July 1, 2007, 04:36 AM
YES ILLEGAL, but they said unless you do something to cause suspision or look like a gangster they would have no reason to bother you, therefore I would be safe.
First, don't ever trust cops for legal advice. No offense, THR LEO's, but you know just as well as I do that enforcing the law and explaining and/or defining the law are two entirely seperate things. Second, thats a horrible rationale for doing something illegal. By that same token, you could be doing 8-balls of cocaine and raping strippers in the back of your van, but as long as you don't raise suspicion or look like a gangster, your fine. Dumb logic. Further, looking like a gangster is no particular reason to be searched by a policeman. Plenty of people dress South Central, even if they happen to live in Iowa. If you have MS13 tattoos on your face, thats one thing. A Tupac shirt, sideways cap and baggy jeans could be anything from the president of the Bloods to your cousin Stan.
It's just my opinion, but the risk of carrying concealed with out a permit is not worth it, if that didn't come across clearly enough...
okay what doesnt make any sense to me is how you get caught with a gun on you or in your car? a cop cant just search your vehicle unless your being arrested or they have some good cause...and saying...i think i smell weed get out and get on the ground isnt cause...so a gun in the glove box is out of sight and they cant do anything about it unless you got warrants....also a cop really cant just search you for no reason...."hey that looks like a gun butt?" doesnt just give them the right to lift up your shirt....plus today with all tha cellphone holders who knows wats under your shirt?...you just gotta know your rights and a good way to get AROUND the law =)
Dude, a cop can search your car if he reasonably suspects something is in there. This is called Probable Cause. Bearing in mind that the police absolutely have probable cause, if you refuse, it's a simple matter of impounding your car and then getting a warrant, which is easy enough to do since most judges assume that if you don't want your car searched, you probably have something to hide. You will not have time to hide whatever it is you are trying to hide, period. Unfortunately for you, a cop smelling weed is plenty of cause to search your car. In fact, I can't think of a better example of probable cause. If they think they see a gun, that is perfectly good reason for them to stop and search you. The problem here is that you evidently spend so much time trying to get around the law that you have no idea what the law is based on. I don't mean to sound unfriendly or rude, especially because your a new poster, but your just flat out wrong on this one. I know flexyourrights.org says never to let a cop search your car whether you have something illegal going on or not, but really man, if they think you have something going on, do you think that you saying "no" is going to make the cops say "OK. Sorry for wasting your time"? In most cases, no. Cops don't search cars for fun, so if it gets to that point, they likely haveplenty of good, solid reasons for detaining you and getting a warrant.
First, don't ever trust cops for legal advice. No offense, THR LEO's, but you know just as well as I do that enforcing the law and explaining and/or defining the law are two entirely seperate things. Second, thats a horrible rationale for doing something illegal. By that same token, you could be doing 8-balls of cocaine and raping strippers in the back of your van, but as long as you don't raise suspicion or look like a gangster, your fine. Dumb logic. Further, looking like a gangster is no particular reason to be searched by a policeman. Plenty of people dress South Central, even if they happen to live in Iowa. If you have MS13 tattoos on your face, thats one thing. A Tupac shirt, sideways cap and baggy jeans could be anything from the president of the Bloods to your cousin Stan.
It's just my opinion, but the risk of carrying concealed with out a permit is not worth it, if that didn't come across clearly enough...
okay what doesnt make any sense to me is how you get caught with a gun on you or in your car? a cop cant just search your vehicle unless your being arrested or they have some good cause...and saying...i think i smell weed get out and get on the ground isnt cause...so a gun in the glove box is out of sight and they cant do anything about it unless you got warrants....also a cop really cant just search you for no reason...."hey that looks like a gun butt?" doesnt just give them the right to lift up your shirt....plus today with all tha cellphone holders who knows wats under your shirt?...you just gotta know your rights and a good way to get AROUND the law =)
Dude, a cop can search your car if he reasonably suspects something is in there. This is called Probable Cause. Bearing in mind that the police absolutely have probable cause, if you refuse, it's a simple matter of impounding your car and then getting a warrant, which is easy enough to do since most judges assume that if you don't want your car searched, you probably have something to hide. You will not have time to hide whatever it is you are trying to hide, period. Unfortunately for you, a cop smelling weed is plenty of cause to search your car. In fact, I can't think of a better example of probable cause. If they think they see a gun, that is perfectly good reason for them to stop and search you. The problem here is that you evidently spend so much time trying to get around the law that you have no idea what the law is based on. I don't mean to sound unfriendly or rude, especially because your a new poster, but your just flat out wrong on this one. I know flexyourrights.org says never to let a cop search your car whether you have something illegal going on or not, but really man, if they think you have something going on, do you think that you saying "no" is going to make the cops say "OK. Sorry for wasting your time"? In most cases, no. Cops don't search cars for fun, so if it gets to that point, they likely haveplenty of good, solid reasons for detaining you and getting a warrant.
TimboKhan
July 1, 2007, 04:48 AM
sorry for the double post, but I thought I would post Colorado's laws on this topic:
18-12-105. Unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon - unlawful possession of weapons.
Statute text
(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if such person knowingly and unlawfully:
(a) Carries a knife concealed on or about his or her person; or
(b) Carries a firearm concealed on or about his or her person; or
(c) Without legal authority, carries, brings, or has in such person's possession a firearm or any explosive, incendiary, or other dangerous device on the property of or within any building in which the chambers, galleries, or offices of the general assembly, or either house thereof, are located, or in which a legislative hearing or meeting is being or is to be conducted, or in which the official office of any member, officer, or employee of the general assembly is located.
(d) (Deleted by amendment, L. 93, p. 964, § 1, effective July 1, 1993.)
(2) It shall not be an offense if the defendant was:
(a) A person in his or her own dwelling or place of business or on property owned or under his or her control at the time of the act of carrying; or
(b) A person in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance who carries a weapon for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property while traveling; or
(c) A person who, at the time of carrying a concealed weapon, held a valid written permit to carry a concealed weapon issued pursuant to section 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to its repeal, or, if the weapon involved was a handgun, held a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of this article; except that it shall be an offense under this section if the person was carrying a concealed handgun in violation of the provisions of section 18-12-214; or
(d) A peace officer, as described in section 16-2.5-101, C.R.S., when carrying a weapon in conformance with the policy of the employing agency as provided in section 16-2.5-101 (2), C.R.S.; or
(e) (Deleted by amendment, L. 2003, p. 1624, § 46, effective August 6, 2003.)
(f) A United States probation officer or a United States pretrial services officer while on duty and serving in the state of Colorado under the authority of rules and regulations promulgated by the judicial conference of the United States.
THe short version of this is that it is a class 2 misdemeanor to carry concealed without a permit, and that it is perfectly legal to carry in your car. Although this law doesn't say it specifically, I think that only applies to handguns. The DOW has always said that carrying a loaded rifle in your car is not permitted, and I assume that is state law. If I am wrong on that, someone let me know.
18-12-105. Unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon - unlawful possession of weapons.
Statute text
(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if such person knowingly and unlawfully:
(a) Carries a knife concealed on or about his or her person; or
(b) Carries a firearm concealed on or about his or her person; or
(c) Without legal authority, carries, brings, or has in such person's possession a firearm or any explosive, incendiary, or other dangerous device on the property of or within any building in which the chambers, galleries, or offices of the general assembly, or either house thereof, are located, or in which a legislative hearing or meeting is being or is to be conducted, or in which the official office of any member, officer, or employee of the general assembly is located.
(d) (Deleted by amendment, L. 93, p. 964, § 1, effective July 1, 1993.)
(2) It shall not be an offense if the defendant was:
(a) A person in his or her own dwelling or place of business or on property owned or under his or her control at the time of the act of carrying; or
(b) A person in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance who carries a weapon for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property while traveling; or
(c) A person who, at the time of carrying a concealed weapon, held a valid written permit to carry a concealed weapon issued pursuant to section 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to its repeal, or, if the weapon involved was a handgun, held a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of this article; except that it shall be an offense under this section if the person was carrying a concealed handgun in violation of the provisions of section 18-12-214; or
(d) A peace officer, as described in section 16-2.5-101, C.R.S., when carrying a weapon in conformance with the policy of the employing agency as provided in section 16-2.5-101 (2), C.R.S.; or
(e) (Deleted by amendment, L. 2003, p. 1624, § 46, effective August 6, 2003.)
(f) A United States probation officer or a United States pretrial services officer while on duty and serving in the state of Colorado under the authority of rules and regulations promulgated by the judicial conference of the United States.
THe short version of this is that it is a class 2 misdemeanor to carry concealed without a permit, and that it is perfectly legal to carry in your car. Although this law doesn't say it specifically, I think that only applies to handguns. The DOW has always said that carrying a loaded rifle in your car is not permitted, and I assume that is state law. If I am wrong on that, someone let me know.
Nematocyst
July 1, 2007, 04:54 AM
I have, for years now.Translation: move to AK.
But then, as soon as we do,
the Alaskans start bitching and moaning
about all the new residents.
"Oh, it used to be so open here with so few people ... yada ... "
But then, as soon as we do,
the Alaskans start bitching and moaning
about all the new residents.
"Oh, it used to be so open here with so few people ... yada ... "
ec-10
July 1, 2007, 12:51 PM
Jubjub-Back in '91-'92 I worked the night shift in a truck-stop in the middle of nowhere on I-44 near Springfield. One of my coworkers used to carry a little .22 revolver in his pants pocket while he was on shift. Since the store was isolated we offered freebies to local LEOs (coffee, ice cream, hot dogs, and yes, doughnuts) so that they would tend to hang out there if they were in the area. Most of the deputies who would drop by the store knew that he carried and they were fine with it as long as he was at work. I don't think he ever discussed it with the state troopers though. :D
Wayne G.
July 1, 2007, 01:03 PM
Yes, I know someone. No, it was no problem b/c he never got caught. He has CCW now.
jakemccoy
July 1, 2007, 01:32 PM
Timbokhan wrote:
"...Dude, a cop can search your car if he reasonably suspects something is in there. This is called Probable Cause. Bearing in mind that the police absolutely have probable cause, if you refuse, it's a simple matter of impounding your car and then getting a warrant, which is easy enough to do since most judges assume that if you don't want your car searched, you probably have something to hide..."
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"...Dude, a cop can search your car if he reasonably suspects something is in there. This is called Probable Cause. Bearing in mind that the police absolutely have probable cause, if you refuse, it's a simple matter of impounding your car and then getting a warrant, which is easy enough to do since most judges assume that if you don't want your car searched, you probably have something to hide..."
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kbheiner7
July 1, 2007, 02:11 PM
I've carried for years without one, but recently applied to calm my wife down on the matter. :rolleyes:
I don't like ther permits either. Nothing good comes of them.
As others have said - concealed is concealed and protecting your life is more important than following a bad law.
I don't like ther permits either. Nothing good comes of them.
As others have said - concealed is concealed and protecting your life is more important than following a bad law.
10-Ring
July 1, 2007, 08:11 PM
In CA, I think it's a felony just to contemplate such blasphemy :scrutiny: I have known a couple guys caught -- IMO, it's not worth the risk ;)
theken206
July 1, 2007, 08:19 PM
"In CA, I think it's a felony just to contemplate such blasphemy I have known a couple guys caught -- IMO, it's not worth the risk"
Actaully IIRC in the PROK getting popped with a concealed pistol is a gross MD if you have a clean record or something like that. take that with a grain of salt as I read it on the internets
Actaully IIRC in the PROK getting popped with a concealed pistol is a gross MD if you have a clean record or something like that. take that with a grain of salt as I read it on the internets
Alphazulu6
July 1, 2007, 08:23 PM
Carry a CCW without a permit? Well sure alot of criminals do :D
h0ss
July 1, 2007, 09:20 PM
Do you know of anybody who you think may have possibly carried a CCW without a permit? Were they ever caught (no need to call out names)? If so, what happened? Please indicate the state.
Yeah, I carry without a permit all the time. Yes I was caught once. What happened? Nothing. Oh wait, I guess Vermont doesn't count does it?? :D Sorry I couldn't resist :D
Yeah, I carry without a permit all the time. Yes I was caught once. What happened? Nothing. Oh wait, I guess Vermont doesn't count does it?? :D Sorry I couldn't resist :D
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