.44 mag reload issue


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BBQJOE
June 26, 2007, 12:08 PM
I have been reloading .44 spl quite a bit without a hitch.
240 gr. cast bullet with 6gr 231 or 7gr unique no problem.

This is in an S&W 629

I decided to load up a few mags.

I used a 240 gr jacketed hollow point, and as per Lee manual with 231 suggested 10.4-11.2 I settled in the middle at 10.8

I ended up firing only six rounds due to the fact that the cases expanded so greatly that I could not use the ejector to get them out. I ended up using a dowel rod to poke each case out individually.

Thoughts?

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Jim Watson
June 26, 2007, 12:31 PM
I ran into the same problem trying to load .357 Magnums with 231.
Either reduce the load as required to avoid hard extraction or go to a slower burning powder for anything approaching magnum power.

cdrt
June 26, 2007, 12:32 PM
The MAX load in my Speer manual for their line of 240 grain jacketed bullets is 10.0 with 231 powder.

You're a tad over. Their starting load is 9.0.

Good reason to own more than one manual.

pinkymingeo
June 26, 2007, 12:40 PM
Fast powders act funny in different guns with heavier loads. I was shooting hefty charges of Titegroup under a 240 LSWC in my 629 and 329 the other day. At 9.3gr (10.0 max) and +1100 fps, the 629 was happy but the 329 had very tight extraction. I'd use the slower Unique. I've yet to find a max published load that any of my revolvers are happy with. If it isn't tight extraction, I get erratic performance and dropping fps several tenths below max. Anyway, you've discovered a load that's above max for your particular gun!

Walkalong
June 26, 2007, 01:46 PM
Try Unique or Universal Clays for medium plus power loads in the .357 or .44 Mag. Try 700X, Tightgroup or Trail Boss for light loads. Stick with slower powders for full power.

Universal Clays shoots real well for me in the .357 at medium plus levels. It does pretty well in the .44 Mag as well. :)

Bottom Gun
June 26, 2007, 03:17 PM
+1 for Unique

GCW5
June 26, 2007, 03:26 PM
If you want Magnum loads in a .44 Mag, use a slower powder. 22 to 24 grains of H4227 will nearly fill the case and give you plenty of OMPH.

Bula
June 26, 2007, 04:29 PM
Try 9-10 grains of Unique instead of W231 in 44 mag cases with standard primers. W231 is best suited for lighter loads with the heavier projectiles.

dodgestdshift
June 26, 2007, 10:33 PM
Were the charges weighed? This could be the problem if not weighed You might have gotten an extra generous load. Did you start with the middle load? You should always start with the lowest recommended load.

GP100man
June 27, 2007, 12:17 AM
the factory used alliants 2400 for yrs. i also like hodgdons h110 for mag loads .
&aa#9

GP100man

ArchAngelCD
June 27, 2007, 12:29 AM
W231 develops too much pressure when the charge is increased to Magnum load strength and especially when it pushes a heavy bullet. I won't even use W231 for .38 +P loads, I use Longshot for that.

I have found that W296 or H110 are the best powders for Magnum loads. They develop high velocities without building up too much pressure.

ftierson
June 27, 2007, 12:54 AM
I use H110 in full power, 240gr JHP loads for .44 Mag...

Of course, Win296 is the same powder...

Then again, I only shoot it in a Win. M94 Trapper Carbine...

Works great there...

Forrest

joneb
June 27, 2007, 02:58 AM
BBQJOE, Was the primer and bullet you used the same as in the load data ? Was there any lead build up in the barrel or chambers ?
I would go with cdrt's recommendation.

I had a similar experience loading 10.8 gr of Blue Dot behind a 158gr JHP in my .357 mag. I've settled on 10.4 gr with much better results.

357mag357
June 27, 2007, 06:42 AM
I would have to second what JIJAb said. I ran into this problem also. I would shoot 240g lead flat point first and then shoot some 44mags with 240g HP with 20g of 2400 and the cases would get stuck. It wasn't a pressure problem, I had a lead ring in my cylinder walls that made the 44Mag cases stick. Try cleaning the cylinder very well and shoot the Mag loads first. I also avoid using lead in my 44spl load.

Walkalong
June 27, 2007, 10:26 AM
I had a lead ring in my cylinder walls that made the 44Mag cases stick. Try cleaning the cylinder very well and shoot the Mag loads first. I also avoid using lead in my 44spl load.

I download .44 Mag brass for reduced loads in the .44 Mag. I shoot my .44 Specials in my .44 Specials.

But, that being said, W231 is just a bit too fast, like everyone has posted.

cmidkiff
June 27, 2007, 10:36 AM
Another vote for 2400 in the .44 mag, and the .357 mag for that matter.

Burns clean, meters well, can't double charge like you can with some of the other powders being suggested...

chunk
June 27, 2007, 06:29 PM
H-4227 or AA # 9

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