Korth semi auto?


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powderific
December 25, 2002, 02:05 AM
Korth seems to make some of the most expensive and highly respected revolvers around, but I don't ever remember reading anything about their semi autos. Anyone know anything about this beast?

http://www.korthusa.com/pistol_en.htm#

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dacinokc
December 25, 2002, 02:26 AM
An extreme high end gun, I purchased one 15+ years ago and thought it was outragious at the time, 1200.00. The prices have done nothing but go up, in large part because of the exchange rate of the mark to the dollar.
It is of the same school as the sig 210, limited production, made by hand, of hand machined parts, honed and finished by hand to high levels of fit and finish.
Mine is a safe queen, and at 10 round of 9mm I can't even claim it is a high cap like my P-88s. The Korth is also of the same school as a P-88 if you have ever felt the trigger or the decock one a full size P-88. I have maybe 500 rounds though it, but it is a keeper just from the collector point of view for me.
If you have the money to play, I would recommend trying one at least just to say you have!:p

Triad
December 25, 2002, 03:23 AM
If I ever win the lotto I'll by one and let you know what I think. For now I'll just have to be content to drool.

IRock
December 25, 2002, 07:01 AM
Wow, five grand. I hope it's perfect in every way.

Tamara
December 25, 2002, 08:42 AM
Five... thousand... dollars...

I'm going to go to my bedroom and kick my Springfield Pro a few times. I'll be right back... ;) :D

MarineTech
December 25, 2002, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by Tamara
Five... thousand... dollars...

I'm with Tamara. I have so far managed to keep the price of all my individual firearms under $2000. $5K for a semiauto that dosen't even come in .45? I'll pass.

Kind of reminds me of the term they used for the pig they found in the camper in "Super Troopers". Trophy Pet
I think this falls into the category of a Trophy Gun. You buy it just to say you have one.

Mikke
December 25, 2002, 10:53 AM
Never seen one IRL myself (surprise, surprise!), but have read a test by a swedish gun magazine, Vapentidningen (a very good magazine). Their impression? Not very good.
Accuracy was decent, about the same you get from most other autos, and as I remember it the rest wasn't all that impressive either.

My impression from it was that I'd rather have my CZ-75... :)

Glockster35
December 25, 2002, 05:35 PM
I never knew they made a semi-auto.

But I recall reading in a gun rag (magazine) once that the Korth revolver was by far the worst revolver made today, and that it was also the most expensive revolver on the market today. I would have to guess this is with the exception of some of the fancy engraved "Pimp Guns" available nowdays.

Blackhawk
December 25, 2002, 06:25 PM
Ahem... that's STARTING at $5k. An extra mag is $150 and cases run at $850 for walnut or leather. Caliber conversions are $1,200.

I know what my next CCW is NOT going to be!

Schuey2002
December 25, 2002, 06:42 PM
If they start at $4947.00 for the Scheibenrevolver ,I wonder what one with all the "frills" costs..:eek: :D

Standing Wolf
December 25, 2002, 10:32 PM
The revolver looks like it wants to be a Python when it grows up. I assume from the decidedly small pictures the cylinder release is in the left ear, which actually wouldn't be a bad place for it—but starting at $5,000 strikes me as ludicrous.

Schuey2002
December 25, 2002, 10:43 PM
It seems sometimes that all a manufacturer has to do is put ,Made in Germany GmbH , on pretty much any product and the watch the price soar... :D

I still can't get over that price. That's just insane.

Walther P99
December 26, 2002, 12:11 AM
If they're going to charge $5,000+ for it, at least make it a good looking gun. :rolleyes:

Jeff OTMG
December 27, 2002, 01:02 AM
One correction, though I have not owned one, I have seen a few and spoke to the maker. Most of the parts are not machined or have little machining. The parts are ground. I am not a machinist, but apparently it has something to do with putting a piece of metal on a very large, very expensive, spinning wheel. From what I understand it is an expensive, but precise, way to do things.

An engraved and inlayed Korth would have to be the ultimate BBQ gun.

rock jock
December 27, 2002, 11:45 AM
Korth handguns are most lilely bought by the same crowd that buys $50,000 Rizzini shotguns.

Dacos
January 9, 2003, 12:22 AM
dacinokc,

Do you have the Korth semiauto and, if so, how accurate is it? Some of the replies to this thread indicate it's only so-so (in many categories not just accuracy) and therefore outrageous for the price. I'd be interested to hear a first hand report...

Kahr carrier
January 9, 2003, 06:24 AM
Now thats what I call HIGH END $5000.00 OUCH.:what:

Handy
January 9, 2003, 04:11 PM
You know, if this truly is a precision, made from scratch gun, I can understand the price. It's like buying a $200,000+ car. It's not a cleaned up production gun, it's a hand made luxury item. I can respect that.




I won't be buying a Korth or Bugati anytime soon, though.

Handy
January 9, 2003, 04:18 PM
Just looking at the pictures. How the hell does that thing work? It looks like it might use a P-38 locking block, but at the front of the barrel. Dacinokc?

Arkady
January 11, 2003, 12:14 AM
$150 for a spare magazine? That only holds ten rounds?

I'm so glad i'm not rich... i'd feel so stupid buying stuff like that.


But i still want one.

Owen
January 15, 2003, 06:08 PM
precision manufactured, blah, blah, blah.

If every component of the gun is ground, than I can understand the $5k price, but that kind of precision isn't necessary, and does nothing to suggest the quality of the finished product.

IOW, I can make a part almost exactly to to the print by grinding the whole thing. Say within .0005" instead of .002" or .003" inches with high precision machining. That doesn't mean the dimensions on the drawing are right. It doesn't mean the gun will be accurate, or function well. It seems like this company is putting their money into exorbitant manufacturing practices instead of R&D and product improvement.

If the whole gun is ground, I am surprised they can sell it for as little as $5k

agtman
January 15, 2003, 07:36 PM
Korth autoloader.


$5,000.00 :what:


Wow. The Korth's price actually makes the price for HKs seem reasonable. :eek:

atek3
May 18, 2003, 01:32 PM
ya but at least w/ a bugati you get a really fast car.
This korth semi-auto, what do you get? You get an ugly beretta knockoff that doesn't even have Hi-caps!

atek3

Soap
May 18, 2003, 03:12 PM
Hmm...I'm guessing y'all have never dealt with the double gun crowd...

The Korth semi isn't a performance piece like the Sig 210. It is more of a 10% performance, 90% psychic income (intangible value) sort of gun. For me, I'd rather Korth keep their psychic value, get a pair of Les Baer TRSs and head to the Ranch.

cratz2
May 18, 2003, 04:51 PM
It's definately a snob appeal item. Maybe not 15 years ago, but definately so now. What sort of accuracy do you expect with a $5,000 pistol? I mean, Rock River will guarantee 1.5" groups at 50 yards for $1,250? That's darn near every shot touching at 50 yards! How about reliability? 9mm Glock 17s are known to go several rounds between jams and they're always under $500.

I mean, you have the AutoMag that would be pretty neat for a price. And the pistol that was vaguely similar to the Automag but in 357, Sobilinski? It's been 15 years since I've seen one. Throw in a BrenTen and you're still probably under the price of a new Korth and they'll only go up in price as well.

kbellis3
May 18, 2003, 09:12 PM
Korth is back in business? I thought that the company went out of business about a year or so ago. At least that what I gather from the Industry Insider collumn of one of the gun mags.

$5,000.0 You have to be rich to be that stupid. Maybe I would pay $5,000.00 for a gun if it was carried by Nathan Forrest, Patton, or someone else like that. For for a brand new Kraut Uber Revolver or even a Korth Uber Semi-Auto Wondergun, I don't think so.

Kyle

PS I will never be that rich or that stupid, I don't care if I am Bill Gates rich I would never pay that much for a new Kraut Uber Revolver or the Korth Uber Semi-Auto Wondergun. Most are making great guns for less than $900.00 .

Rich357
May 19, 2003, 02:20 AM
Beeman Arms sold Korth revolvers back in the '80s. When I visited the Beeman showroom I handled a Korth .357Mag. It was very nice but I wondered just how well it performed.

It would be interesting to know if Korth .45 autos are ever used at any of the top Bullseye matches.

Hey, any SEAL teams use Korth semi-autos?

Rich

denfoote
May 19, 2003, 03:45 AM
$5000 for the pistol!!!!! $150 for a 10 round mag!!!! :what:

Two words!!!

YEAH RIGHT!!!!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Majic
May 19, 2003, 11:02 AM
The gun is made and marketed to the higher income class. Those who can afford it probably pay no mind to the price. A comparison would be a person who would never buy a Hi-Point for $150 but would purchase a Wilson or Les Baer for +$1500. Both will get the job done, but higher priced pistol would get talked about the craftsmanship put in it and resale value. But mechanically is it worth 10 times the price? I think the Korth at $5000 is compared the same way to todays $500 models on the market. If you got the money, spend it as you please.

Soap
May 19, 2003, 12:02 PM
I don't think some of us here understand how wealth works. Once you have reached a certain point of income, basic living expenses become so cheap that it is a small fraction of one's income. So then the rest can be devoted to accumulating more wealth or in buying fun toys. $5K isn't a big deal if you make enough bucks.

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